Re: [time-nuts] Surge Arresters

2012-11-27 Thread David Kirkby
On 26 November 2012 15:44, Peter G. Viscarola pete...@osr.com wrote: Hi TimeNuts, What are people using for surge arresters between your GPS receiver and the antenna, at the entrance to your house? Several years ago there was lightning near my house, which I think went on the telephone

Re: [time-nuts] Surge Arresters

2012-11-27 Thread David Kirkby
On 27 November 2012 09:15, David Kirkby david.kir...@onetel.net wrote: If I was reallly concerned, then I'd look at using an optical interace. Use a battery to power the GPS antenna, modulate a laser and detect the RF on a photodiode connected by a metre of so of optical fibre. Of course, I

Re: [time-nuts] Best phase detector / mixer for 100MHz?

2012-11-27 Thread Bruce Griffiths
Demian Martin wrote: I asked Wenzel about mixers for phase noise measurement and they directed me to Marki Microwave as what they use: http://www.markimicrowave.com/2770/Mixers.aspx I have not obtained or tested any myself but it's a pretty solid recommendation I think. I got this guy to add

Re: [time-nuts] Best phase detector / mixer for 100MHz?

2012-11-27 Thread Adrian
Bruce Griffiths schrieb: Richard (Rick) Karlquist wrote: On 11/23/2012 9:38 AM, Bruce Griffiths wrote: NIST have shown (at least at 10MHz) that the high level mixers they tested are noisier than the ZRPD1. Bruce Do you have a citation to where they said that? What you quoted doesn't make

Re: [time-nuts] Best phase detector / mixer for 100MHz?

2012-11-27 Thread Adrian
Bruce Griffiths schrieb: Demian Martin wrote: I asked Wenzel about mixers for phase noise measurement and they directed me to Marki Microwave as what they use: http://www.markimicrowave.com/2770/Mixers.aspx I have not obtained or tested any myself but it's a pretty solid recommendation I

Re: [time-nuts] Best phase detector / mixer for 100MHz?

2012-11-27 Thread Bruce Griffiths
Adrian wrote: Bruce Griffiths schrieb: Demian Martin wrote: I asked Wenzel about mixers for phase noise measurement and they directed me to Marki Microwave as what they use: http://www.markimicrowave.com/2770/Mixers.aspx I have not obtained or tested any myself but it's a pretty solid

Re: [time-nuts] Best phase detector / mixer for 100MHz?

2012-11-27 Thread Adrian
Bruce Griffiths schrieb: Adrian wrote: Bruce Griffiths schrieb: Demian Martin wrote: I asked Wenzel about mixers for phase noise measurement and they directed me to Marki Microwave as what they use: http://www.markimicrowave.com/2770/Mixers.aspx I have not obtained or tested any myself but

Re: [time-nuts] Best phase detector / mixer for 100MHz?

2012-11-27 Thread Support HpW-Works.com
Bruce, There's no evidence of a cross power spectrum function in this suite. One needs to be able to average at least 10,000 cross power spectra for some applications. In the PSD (power density) PSP (power spectrum) there are cross power and cross power complex average implemented

Re: [time-nuts] Best phase detector / mixer for 100MHz?

2012-11-27 Thread Bruce Griffiths
Adrian wrote: Bruce Griffiths schrieb: Adrian wrote: Bruce Griffiths schrieb: Demian Martin wrote: I asked Wenzel about mixers for phase noise measurement and they directed me to Marki Microwave as what they use: http://www.markimicrowave.com/2770/Mixers.aspx I have not obtained or

Re: [time-nuts] Best phase detector / mixer for 100MHz?

2012-11-27 Thread Bruce Griffiths
Support HpW-Works.com wrote: Bruce, There's no evidence of a cross power spectrum function in this suite. One needs to be able to average at least 10,000 cross power spectra for some applications. In the PSD (power density) PSP (power spectrum) there are cross power and cross

Re: [time-nuts] Best phase detector / mixer for 100MHz?

2012-11-27 Thread Adrian
Bruce Griffiths schrieb: Support HpW-Works.com wrote: Bruce, There's no evidence of a cross power spectrum function in this suite. One needs to be able to average at least 10,000 cross power spectra for some applications. In the PSD (power density) PSP (power spectrum) there are cross

[time-nuts] EIP545A 18GHz counter query

2012-11-27 Thread Chris Wilson
27/11/2012 14:18 I bought a 18GHz EIP545A counter which the vendor said was working fine the day before and when on overnight soak test, and also when last used some months agao. But when he checked it on the morning of my coming over to see it he found it had developed a fault... I bought it

Re: [time-nuts] pulse height

2012-11-27 Thread shalimr9
Said, I agree with all you say. My web page does not intend to show what is best, simply what is. Many people are puzzled by the issues of line impedance. Best practices have been discussed at length on this list, but always theoretically. I thought a few scope pictures and explanations would

Re: [time-nuts] EIP545A 18GHz counter query

2012-11-27 Thread J. Forster
The first thing to do with any EIP counter is to remove and reseat all the PCBs. The card sockets they use are sometimes flaky. Simply doing this fixed most of the counters. This is especially true if they have been storfed for a while. YMMV, -John === 27/11/2012 14:18

Re: [time-nuts] EIP545A 18GHz counter query

2012-11-27 Thread Chuck Harris
This one is usually an easy fix. The EPROMS on the controller card are using tin plated sockets, and they become tin-whisker cities. The counter will usually have enough oomph to blow any transient whiskers away if it is left running, but if it sits the whiskers will grow quickly and prevent

Re: [time-nuts] EIP545A 18GHz counter query

2012-11-27 Thread Bob Quenelle
Not that it's likely to help you, but a signature analyzer uses a shift register with feedback to generate a 4 hex character signature from a serial data stream. It would only help if the troubleshooting tree includes a list a bad signatures for specific failures.

Re: [time-nuts] EIP545A 18GHz counter query

2012-11-27 Thread dlewis6767
It is also used to check ROMs and RAMs for good data. The service manual will often contain 'signatures' for each pinout of a device, as it runs through a set, respective routine. Specific start, stop, and clock signals are defined in the service manual. A very valuable tool. I have a

Re: [time-nuts] EIP545A 18GHz counter query

2012-11-27 Thread Pete Lancashire
EIP was like many smaller TM companies, they by virtue of the size of lack of the desire to research component, manufacturing, life cycle testing, TQM, etc, etc. produced great instruments the day they were made. After that things went down hill. BTW, the big boys would forget all the above from

Re: [time-nuts] GPS antenna in attic?

2012-11-27 Thread Oz-in-DFW
While NPT (US) and BSPT (UK) are different, 1/2 and 3/4 variants are both 14 threads per inch and are similar enough to intermate, but are unlikely to seal. Since sealing is not a requirement here it ought to be good enough. Failing that, maybe one of our members on the continent would send you

Re: [time-nuts] Surge Arresters

2012-11-27 Thread Chris Albertson
You really can't protect yourself from a direct strike. But that is rare. More common is a close strike. You first line of defense is to ground the metal mast (pipe). Place a ground clamp on the pipe and run a large ground write by the most direct route to a ground rod driven into the soil.

Re: [time-nuts] EIP545A 18GHz counter query

2012-11-27 Thread Ed Palmer
Hi Chris, The first thing you should do is join the EIP_Microwave group at yahoo: http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/EIP_Microwave There's lots of info and help there for EIP counters. Don't worry about the signature analyzer for now. It would normally be used if the processor was dead.

Re: [time-nuts] Z3805 two frequency maxima

2012-11-27 Thread Volker Esper
I followed your argument and tried to synthesize such a signal. I built a simple power combiner (3 times 18 ohms resistors) and combined the 10 MHz reference output of my signal generator with a 5 MHz signal from the same generators regular output at the same amplitude. My oscilloscope

Re: [time-nuts] EIP545A 18GHz counter query

2012-11-27 Thread Don Latham
snip I'm in the same position as you regarding testing at high frequencies. You might be able to get a signal at the second or third harmonic of your generator by cranking the level to the maximum and then using the counter's Band 3 frequency limits feature to only look at that frequency.

Re: [time-nuts] Z3805 two frequency maxima

2012-11-27 Thread Bob Camp
Hi Phase does indeed matter, it just messes up the math. Most multiplier / filter combinations have significant phase shift between the sub-harmonic and the carrier. You rarely know what the phase shift is, but you can read the sub-harmonic. The simple db to jitter ratio gets you close enough to

Re: [time-nuts] EIP545A 18GHz counter query

2012-11-27 Thread Ed Palmer
Hi Don, Yes, I've heard of SRDs. I think every Rb standard uses them. I recently purchased a YIG Multiplier that includes an SRD followed by a YIG filter. But, from my reading, there are some significant issues that you run into when driving an SRD. I'm still playing with mine. Ed On

Re: [time-nuts] EIP545A 18GHz counter query

2012-11-27 Thread bownes
You can also overdrive a mmic and get good results. That is what I'm using as the oscillator for my 1.296 GHz beacon. Bob On Nov 27, 2012, at 15:45, Ed Palmer ed_pal...@sasktel.net wrote: Hi Don, Yes, I've heard of SRDs. I think every Rb standard uses them. I recently purchased a YIG

Re: [time-nuts] EIP545A 18GHz counter query

2012-11-27 Thread Don Latham
Hi Ed: I have one of these too; it takes in about 200 MHz, output 0.4-1.8 GHz. ten ohm coil, also a heater at 28 v. I also have a filter that uses about the same voltage/current. I did find an LED/battery charger module from China, pretty cheap, that purports to be pwm adjustable; we'll see. I'll

Re: [time-nuts] EIP545A 18GHz counter query

2012-11-27 Thread Chris Wilson
Hi Chris, The first thing you should do is join the EIP_Microwave group at yahoo: http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/EIP_Microwave There's lots of info and help there for EIP counters. Don't worry about the signature analyzer for now. It would normally be used if the processor was

Re: [time-nuts] Z3805 two frequency maxima

2012-11-27 Thread Azelio Boriani
Very interesting indeed. Two questions: after adding the 66nS phase shift, were the two peaks at 66nS when at the same amplitude? Then, while reducing the amplitude of the 5MHz, were they getting closer (until the 240pS)? On Tue, Nov 27, 2012 at 9:21 PM, Bob Camp li...@rtty.us wrote: Hi Phase

Re: [time-nuts] Z3805 two frequency maxima

2012-11-27 Thread Volker Esper
Now, that you ask: the measurements are in that range, yes, though it's not exactly the values. time shift 12ns - spacing 10ns 28ns35ns 66ns55ns 0ns 8ns and yes, the peaks get closer while reducing the amplitude of the

Re: [time-nuts] EIP545A 18GHz counter query

2012-11-27 Thread paul swed
Boy great thread running here. I have a number of older EIPs that all work and have been repaired. Hard to pass up the $25ers. I also have several newer ones 545 and 585s. EIP became a bit more clever on these in how they process the YIG signals and thats the place I am having issues on all 3. Its

Re: [time-nuts] Z3805 two frequency maxima

2012-11-27 Thread Paul DeStefano
Greetings! I just joined the list a few hours ago and you have already peeked my interest in this aside: On Tuesday, 27 November 2012, Volker Esper wrote: Though the SR620 TIC is a great instrument when hunting the pico seconds we have to realize, that it's a thermal design desaster (I have

Re: [time-nuts] EIP545A 18GHz counter query

2012-11-27 Thread J. L. Trantham
Chris, Put a ohmmeter across any of the capacitors on the GPIB board and see what the resistance is. Since that kills the unit, I suspect the resistance is low (?shorted tantalum) or there is a problem with one of the chips that takes the 5 VDC buss down. Make sure of the polarity of your DMM,

Re: [time-nuts] Z3805 two frequency maxima

2012-11-27 Thread Hal Murray
You might get better answers by starting a new thread rather than hiding your question in an existing thread. (Use your New message button rather than Reply, and cut-paste the To address from an old message, then type in the new Subject.) Using a useful Subject also helps people find things