Re: [time-nuts] OT: Question on dead HP34401

2012-12-17 Thread Ulrich Bangert
Gentlemem, pardon for the delayed answer, I had some extreme busy days the last week. The floating logic is reset by the LM2925 5V regulator reset output. There is no connection to this reset line aprt from the Gate array reset input and the micro (80196) reset input. Yes, U553 on page

Re: [time-nuts] EIP545A 18GHz counter query

2012-12-17 Thread Chris Wilson
Me too. I have two 545A's, one of which works and the other of which has issues with Band 3, failing to read in a very interesting pattern suggesting a YIG filter issue, probably the control circuit. Just no time to chase it right now. Please post the resolution. Thanks. Joe

Re: [time-nuts] 10 MHz output level from DATUM 9390...

2012-12-17 Thread Robert Watzlavick
I believe you can adjust the level of the 10 MHz output. The schematic shows a pot at R60 or R50 (the scan isn't clear) connected to U18 which drives the 10 MHz sine signal. -Bob On 12/15/2012 05:37 PM, Ziggy wrote: Burt - On the scope I see 950mv RMS with 50 ohm termination, 1.5V RMS with

Re: [time-nuts] OT: Question on dead HP34401

2012-12-17 Thread paul swed
So we are on the same page You tie the reset through a 1 K r to vcc and you still see the reset signal? And you do not see the 7 Khz coming from the switching regulator?? Thanks On Mon, Dec 17, 2012 at 2:57 AM, Ulrich Bangert df...@ulrich-bangert.dewrote: Gentlemem, pardon for the delayed

Re: [time-nuts] Considerations When Using The SR620

2012-12-17 Thread Volker Esper
I'm curious, which way you went and which accuracy you achieved... :-) Can you tell us? Volker Am 06.12.2012 19:10, schrieb Paul DeStefano: On Tuesday, 4 December 2012, Tom Van Baak wrote: We are using the SR620 to measure the interval between 1PPS signals from two clocks. One is the

Re: [time-nuts] Comparing PPS from 2 GPS units

2012-12-17 Thread Hal Murray
A fifth solution is to use a pulse delay generator like a DG535. I use this to create high-resolution early/late 1PPS sync pulses. They show up on eBay, but aren't cheap. For bargains, watch for older model programmable pulse delay generators by BNC (Berkeley Nucleonics Corporation). Thanks.

Re: [time-nuts] Comparing PPS from 2 GPS units

2012-12-17 Thread David
On Mon, 17 Dec 2012 10:19:43 -0800, Hal Murray hmur...@megapathdsl.net wrote: A fifth solution is to use a pulse delay generator like a DG535. I use this to create high-resolution early/late 1PPS sync pulses. They show up on eBay, but aren't cheap. For bargains, watch for older model

Re: [time-nuts] Comparing PPS from 2 GPS units

2012-12-17 Thread Bob Camp
Hi With R-C delay generators, temperature coefficient is likely to be an issue. NPO will get you to 30 ppm/C. Most resistors will be up in the 50 or so ppm / C range. On top of that you have the contributions of what ever strays might be running around. If you are trying to set up say a 1 us

[time-nuts] MesoAmerican calendars, Solstice, etc.

2012-12-17 Thread Jim Lux
You knew it would be coming.. A discussion over lunch brought up the question of precisely WHEN this Maya calendar rollover/civilization ending event would occur. It's not enough to just say dec 21st.. Does the event occur at the beginning of the day, end of the day, in which local time

Re: [time-nuts] MesoAmerican calendars, Solstice, etc.

2012-12-17 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
In message 50cf7327.2050...@earthlink.net, Jim Lux writes: Anybody have any decent links to go hunting for? Have you checked Calendrical Calculations ? -- Poul-Henning Kamp | UNIX since Zilog Zeus 3.20 p...@freebsd.org | TCP/IP since RFC 956 FreeBSD committer | BSD

Re: [time-nuts] Comparing PPS from 2 GPS units

2012-12-17 Thread David
You would not want to do this for long delays obviously. A digital counter with the delay used as a vernier would be more appropriate there. That gets complicated fast if the input is asynchronous. Analog first order compensation of the temperature coefficient is straightforward using the same

Re: [time-nuts] MesoAmerican calendars, Solstice, etc.

2012-12-17 Thread Don Latham
And it's on my birthday, too. So should I open my presents at breakfast instead of dinnertime/ Will I get cake??? :-) merry Christmas to all of you... DonL Jim Lux You knew it would be coming.. A discussion over lunch brought up the question of precisely WHEN this Maya calendar

Re: [time-nuts] Comparing PPS from 2 GPS units

2012-12-17 Thread M. Simon
Nice pulse delay generator: http://www.edn.com/file/14660-Figure_1.pdf The article that goes with it: http://www.edn.com/design/analog/4323671/Dual-flip-flop-forms-simple-delayed-pulse-generator The delay is analog - charging a capacitor until it crosses a threshold. So I don't know if it is

Re: [time-nuts] Comparing PPS from 2 GPS units

2012-12-17 Thread Bob Camp
Hi I believe you will find that NPO's are your best bet by far for short delays. The R's and C's on a simple semi are going to have some pretty major tempco's. If they go with a fancy process they can change that. Normally to keep things cheap they use the simple process. Bob On Dec 17,

Re: [time-nuts] MesoAmerican calendars, Solstice, etc.

2012-12-17 Thread Kevin . Birth
I don't know of any good online sources. Most of the work on the Mayan calendar is published by archaeologists in books or in professional journals that require online subscriptions. There is growing evidence that the Mayan calendrical system began as two different systems. One was a rough

Re: [time-nuts] MesoAmerican calendars, Solstice, etc.

2012-12-17 Thread Jim Lux
On 12/17/12 12:03 PM, Don Latham wrote: And it's on my birthday, too. So should I open my presents at breakfast instead of dinnertime/ Will I get cake??? :-) merry Christmas to all of you... As the sun rises over the heel stone at Stonehenge, I should think.. After all: In ancient times...

Re: [time-nuts] MesoAmerican calendars, Solstice, etc.

2012-12-17 Thread Jim Lux
On 12/17/12 12:33 PM, kevin.bi...@qc.cuny.edu wrote: In the ethnographic record, the solstice is not a point in time, but the day of the sun's shortest path. I'm not sure of what the start of the day was. The Mayan word for day, kin, seems to refer to the entire movement of the sun from

Re: [time-nuts] Comparing PPS from 2 GPS units

2012-12-17 Thread Hal Murray
li...@rtty.us said: If you are trying to set up say a 1 us delay, you will get ~ 50 ps per degree C in your delay. That's a lot . A while ago, t...@leapsecond.com said: A long delay cable is fine too. If these are timing receivers you probably don't need more than 100 ns of delay, once

Re: [time-nuts] MesoAmerican calendars, Solstice, etc.

2012-12-17 Thread Don Latham
the winter sun rises 180 degrees from the heel stone, don't it? through the trilithon... but yeah. I'd like to be there once for winter solstice sunrise. Been there to visit back when one could walk around... Don Jim Lux On 12/17/12 12:03 PM, Don Latham wrote: And it's on my birthday, too. So

Re: [time-nuts] Comparing PPS from 2 GPS units

2012-12-17 Thread Bruce Griffiths
Its actually a relatively low performance implementation of a classic technique. The ramp capacitor reset switch (a saturated transistor) has a relatively slow turnoff and poorly defined reset voltage. For shorter time delays lower capacitance current source and reset devices are required.

[time-nuts] Any information on FEI FE-5607(C) Rb Freq Std?

2012-12-17 Thread Christoffer Bruman
Dear listmembers, I am looking for any and all information available on a FEI FE-5607 Rubidium Frequency Standard, (rugged/mil unit), with a TNC RF output jack and a circular mil. multi-pin power/control connector. It looks kinda similar to the current (?) FEI-Zyfer FE-5600M, but I have

Re: [time-nuts] Comparing PPS from 2 GPS units

2012-12-17 Thread Gerhard Hoffmann
Am 17.12.2012 19:56, schrieb David: My next pretrigger generator is going the differential comparator or differential ECL route with a fast ramp and precision reset. I expect jitter to be significantly better than 10s of picoseconds for delays up to about 100 nanoseconds. If I get down to 10

[time-nuts] MesoAmerican calendars, Solstice, etc.

2012-12-17 Thread Mark Sims
BTW, Lady Heather has support for several versions of the Mayan and Aztec calendars. Also Druid, Herbrew, Islamic, Indian, and many others. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe,

Re: [time-nuts] MesoAmerican calendars, Solstice, etc.

2012-12-17 Thread Neville Michie
But does it have an output of Sidereal Time? cheers, Neville Michie A Merry Season to all. On 18/12/2012, at 11:02 AM, Mark Sims wrote: BTW, Lady Heather has support for several versions of the Mayan and Aztec calendars. Also Druid, Herbrew, Islamic, Indian, and many others.

Re: [time-nuts] MesoAmerican calendars, Solstice, etc.

2012-12-17 Thread Jim Lux
On 12/17/12 4:02 PM, Mark Sims wrote: BTW, Lady Heather has support for several versions of the Mayan and Aztec calendars. Also Druid, Herbrew, Islamic, Indian, and many others. so we can have a GPS disciplined rollover of the long count?

Re: [time-nuts] Comparing PPS from 2 GPS units

2012-12-17 Thread Bob Camp
Hi The nice thing about a spool of coax is that it's got a bit of thermal mass. It will average out a lot of minor temperature ups and downs. Bob On Dec 17, 2012, at 4:34 PM, Hal Murray hmur...@megapathdsl.net wrote: li...@rtty.us said: If you are trying to set up say a 1 us delay, you

Re: [time-nuts] Comparing PPS from 2 GPS units

2012-12-17 Thread David
I wish there was an source for helically wound shielded differential transmission line like the type used in later analog oscilloscopes. The only place I know where to find it is oscilloscope part mules. Essentially it was transmission line with a ridiculously low velocity factor. It is great

Re: [time-nuts] Comparing PPS from 2 GPS units

2012-12-17 Thread Daniel Mendes
Like this? http://www.ebay.com/itm/Tektronix-Delay-Line-for-475-Oscilloscope-New-/290824098279?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0hash=item43b67791e7 Em 17/12/2012 23:39, David escreveu: I wish there was an source for helically wound shielded differential transmission line like the type used in later

Re: [time-nuts] Comparing PPS from 2 GPS units

2012-12-17 Thread Bob Camp
Hi At some point the whole get it onto the board / get it off the board thing becomes the main issue. Then it's easier to just make the delay line part of the PC layout. Bob On Dec 17, 2012, at 8:39 PM, David davidwh...@gmail.com wrote: I wish there was an source for helically wound

Re: [time-nuts] Comparing PPS from 2 GPS units

2012-12-17 Thread David
That is the stuff but Tektronix had some with an even smaller diameter. It would be nice to have a new source as I would hate to cannibalize oscilloscopes for it. On Mon, 17 Dec 2012 23:43:21 -0200, Daniel Mendes dmend...@gmail.com wrote: Like this?

Re: [time-nuts] Comparing PPS from 2 GPS units

2012-12-17 Thread David
I have seen the small diameter, about like RG-174, delay cable used for patching PC boards after the fact. That is how I know it exists. :) I just have not found a source for it. On Mon, 17 Dec 2012 20:47:34 -0500, Bob Camp li...@rtty.us wrote: Hi At some point the whole get it onto the board

Re: [time-nuts] MesoAmerican calendars, Solstice, etc.

2012-12-17 Thread Peter Gottlieb
You're missing something important! Due to possible errors in their long term calculations we may have actually missed the end! Passed right by with nobody noticing... Peter On 12/17/2012 2:31 PM, Jim Lux wrote: You knew it would be coming.. A discussion over lunch brought up the

[time-nuts] MesoAmerican calendars, Solstice, etc.

2012-12-17 Thread Mark Sims
Yes, you can have a GPSDMC (GPS disciplined Mayan calendar). You can also specify your preferred calendar correlation constant (a +/- offset to the start of the calendar) to satisfy the whims of when your favorite deity demands sacrifices. Also, Lady Heather does sidereal time (LMST or

Re: [time-nuts] Comparing PPS from 2 GPS units

2012-12-17 Thread Jim Lux
On 12/17/12 5:39 PM, David wrote: I wish there was an source for helically wound shielded differential transmission line like the type used in later analog oscilloscopes. The only place I know where to find it is oscilloscope part mules. You mean RG65

Re: [time-nuts] MesoAmerican calendars, Solstice, etc.

2012-12-17 Thread DaveH
I heard that there was some discrepancy about the exact date and it may actually be happening a few days earlier. Happy Birthday Don -- hope you get your cake and a very Merry Christmas to everyon%^67tenuj6o867gOseV87i7r87PGThliT8b;]{-=. ---NO CARRIER -Original Message- From:

Re: [time-nuts] MesoAmerican calendars, Solstice, etc.

2012-12-17 Thread Chris Albertson
But just like other time scales, how did those mesoAmericans reconcile their 360 day cycle to 365.25... day intervals between solstices? They had a five day ong party wherethey didn't work. They took those days off. Not kidding, they resync'd every year. Kind of like leap days all stuck on

Re: [time-nuts] Comparing PPS from 2 GPS units

2012-12-17 Thread Hal Murray
jim...@earthlink.net said: You mean RG65 http://www.awcwire.com/ProductSpec.aspx?id=M17/ 34-RG65-Coaxial-Cable or RG186 http://www.awcwire.com/ProductSpec.aspx?id=RG1 86-Coaxial-Cable Interesting stuff. Thanks. RG-65 says no longer available. It also says: Coaxial Delay Line 0.15

Re: [time-nuts] Comparing PPS from 2 GPS units

2012-12-17 Thread Jim Lux
On 12/17/12 9:40 PM, Hal Murray wrote: jim...@earthlink.net said: You mean RG65 http://www.awcwire.com/ProductSpec.aspx?id=M17/ 34-RG65-Coaxial-Cable or RG186 http://www.awcwire.com/ProductSpec.aspx?id=RG1 86-Coaxial-Cable Interesting stuff. Thanks. RG-65 says no longer available. It also

Re: [time-nuts] Comparing PPS from 2 GPS units

2012-12-17 Thread Bruce Griffiths
Hal Murray wrote: jim...@earthlink.net said: You mean RG65 http://www.awcwire.com/ProductSpec.aspx?id=M17/ 34-RG65-Coaxial-Cable or RG186 http://www.awcwire.com/ProductSpec.aspx?id=RG1 86-Coaxial-Cable Interesting stuff. Thanks. RG-65 says no longer available. It also says:

Re: [time-nuts] Comparing PPS from 2 GPS units

2012-12-17 Thread Hal Murray
Cond. MaterialMagnet Wire Helix (What is magnet wire, and what does helix mean and how does it effect coax?) Magnet wire is enamelled wire (usually copper). I'm familiar with that usage, but I don't know why it's interesting in the context of coax. I think the key idea is that the

Re: [time-nuts] MesoAmerican calendars, Solstice, etc.

2012-12-17 Thread Sanjeev Gupta
On Tue, Dec 18, 2012 at 1:27 PM, Chris Albertson albertson.ch...@gmail.comwrote: But just like other time scales, how did those mesoAmericans reconcile their 360 day cycle to 365.25... day intervals between solstices? They had a five day ong party wherethey didn't work. They took those