Re: [time-nuts] June 30 2015 leap second

2015-01-12 Thread Mike George
The referenced article indicates that they apply the smear to their NTP servers and allow the clients to track the servers. This approach would place some limits on the minimum lead time you would need to implement the smear. 1) you would have to start early enough for the servers to detect

Re: [time-nuts] June 30 2015 leap second

2015-01-12 Thread Mark Spencer
I've often wondered why more systems don't use TAI or other similar time scales as their time source. If needed the time displayed to end users or third parties could be converted to UTC just prior to presentation or transmittal. For example a financial system that needs to time stamp

Re: [time-nuts] Sources for Mission Time Clock

2015-01-12 Thread David J Taylor
Martin, [] 4) The television monitor ideas are an easy solution. Use a PC or Raspberry Pi. One example here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vBQ3uqMep58 /tvb = .. and a Raspberry Pi clock with source code you could easily modify:

Re: [time-nuts] June 30 2015 leap second

2015-01-12 Thread Hal Murray
martin.burni...@burnicki.net said: So I think they smeared it over more than just a few minutes. I'd expect some hours, so standard NTP clients would just notify this as clock drift (oscillator frequency offset) which they'd have to compensate. Since ntpd's control loop is pretty slow it

[time-nuts] GPS 1PPS ultimate accuracy

2015-01-12 Thread Andrea Baldoni
Hello all. I am planning to do some experiments to evaluate the aging of oscillators (this one of the reasons I'm willing to buy the Milleren without EFC). What I would like to do exactly is to sample the total of a counter (of suitable number of bits, taking in account the fact that it will

[time-nuts] In search of ways to improve Raspberry Pi stratum 1 server

2015-01-12 Thread Neil Green
Hi all, This is my first post to the list. I have a Raspberry Pi B+ and a HAB Supplies U-Blox Max-M8Q set in stationary mode connected to a Virgin Media Superhub (broadband router) by a 0.5m cat7 ethernet cable. The GPS is attached to the Pi's GPIO and has an external active antenna placed on

Re: [time-nuts] 53132A Cooling fan

2015-01-12 Thread Mod Mix
Hallo Stan Anyone have any thoughts on exactly where to put a temperature sensor for a proportional fan controller? I have some fans having a thermistor built in -like shown in http://img.techpowerup.org/091114/1114091748.jpg. Seems to me to be a good enough place. Rises the next question

[time-nuts] Current state of optical clocks and the definition of the second

2015-01-12 Thread Attila Kinali
Hi, I just stumbled over this [1] nice article by Fritz Riehle that might be of interest to others as well. Attila Kinali [1] Towards a Re-definition of the Second Based on Optical Atomic Clocks, by Fritz Riehle, 2015 http://arxiv.org/abs/1501.02068 -- It is upon moral

Re: [time-nuts] Current state of optical clocks and the definition of the second

2015-01-12 Thread Attila Kinali
On Mon, 12 Jan 2015 13:34:03 +0100 Attila Kinali att...@kinali.ch wrote: I just stumbled over this [1] nice article by Fritz Riehle that might be of interest to others as well. And while we are at it: 2e-18 total uncertainty in an atomic clock, by T.L. Nicholson et.al., 2015

Re: [time-nuts] Arduino GPIB

2015-01-12 Thread Didier Juges
Yes, you can get an Arduino R3 on eBay for $4 with shipping... The GPIB connector will cost you more! Didier KO4BB On January 12, 2015 8:45:12 AM CST, paul swed paulsw...@gmail.com wrote: That certainly is a hack. But its something I have often thought about and never did. He is right its

Re: [time-nuts] Arduino GPIB

2015-01-12 Thread Tom Van Baak
Yes, you can get an Arduino R3 on eBay for $4 with shipping... The GPIB connector will cost you more! Didier KO4BB A sandwich of two PCB is about the same thickness as the center plug of a GPIB male connector. So layout 2x12 pads to match the pins and you have a one-piece Arduino and

Re: [time-nuts] June 30 2015 leap second

2015-01-12 Thread Didier Juges
Hi Tom, You are correct, but it does not really matter because it will not be instantaneous, and for a period of time that is well within the range of human perception, the clock will be off by more than you would normally expect. We have been talking about NTP being able to keep the time to

Re: [time-nuts] GPS 1PPS ultimate accuracy

2015-01-12 Thread Bob Camp
Hi Actually it’s a bit worse than you might expect. The uncorrected sawtooth will give you about 20 ns of wander. At the one day level, GPS without some sort of ionosphere help (like a dual frequency receiver) will add another 10 ns or so to that. Net, your pps is spread over a 30 ns range.

[time-nuts] A novel use of Injection locking of ring oscillators

2015-01-12 Thread Mark Sims
Every good time nut knows about the hazards and subtle wonders of unintentional injection locking of oscillators. Other people apparently don't... How forced injection locking of ring oscillators can be hazardous to your wallet:

Re: [time-nuts] In search of ways to improve Raspberry Pi stratum 1server

2015-01-12 Thread Chris Albertson
Your antenna could be better. But really the bottle neck on any NTP server is time stamping the PPS. There is greater uncertainty in the time stamp then of the PPS. The best solution ever (I can't find the link) was done using an external clock. It was a low power Intel PC running BSD and the

Re: [time-nuts] June 30 2015 leap second

2015-01-12 Thread d0ct0r
Today, I did the check the settings for my BC637 card. I was surprised that its overwrite my manual setting for the Leap Event by following information: Time Settings: Mode : GPS Time Format: Binary Year : 1995

Re: [time-nuts] Arduino GPIB

2015-01-12 Thread Chris Albertson
On Mon, Jan 12, 2015 at 6:45 AM, paul swed paulsw...@gmail.com wrote: its really a one instrument interface as it doesn't have the buffers to drive the load of multiple instruments. But heavens that has to be a really cheap interface for a bit of soldering effort. My type of effort. :-)

Re: [time-nuts] GPS 1PPS ultimate accuracy

2015-01-12 Thread Attila Kinali
Ciao Andrea, On Mon, 12 Jan 2015 11:59:26 +0100 Andrea Baldoni erm1ea...@ermione.com wrote: The sampling interval could come from a (long time based on a) sawtooth uncorrected PPS from a cheap GPS, a sawtooth corrected from a good one (perhaps the Lucent GPSDO), or a computer using NTP.

Re: [time-nuts] In search of ways to improve Raspberry Pi stratum 1server

2015-01-12 Thread David J Taylor
Hi all, This is my first post to the list. I have a Raspberry Pi B+ and a HAB Supplies U-Blox Max-M8Q set in stationary mode connected to a Virgin Media Superhub (broadband router) by a 0.5m cat7 ethernet cable. The GPS is attached to the Pi's GPIO and has an external active antenna placed on

Re: [time-nuts] In search of ways to improve Raspberry Pi stratum 1 server

2015-01-12 Thread paul swed
Neil Welcome to time-nuts. You say that your antenna is less then ideal. OK on time-nuts your going to find out details matter. So what does that mean? Typically the antenna needs to be high enough to have a clear view of the sky and it does matter. But there have been posts in the past about the

Re: [time-nuts] Arduino GPIB

2015-01-12 Thread paul swed
That certainly is a hack. But its something I have often thought about and never did. He is right its really a one instrument interface as it doesn't have the buffers to drive the load of multiple instruments. But heavens that has to be a really cheap interface for a bit of soldering effort. My