Re: [time-nuts] question Alan deviation measured with Timelab and counters

2015-01-18 Thread John Miles
One way to get around problems with things like GPSDO’s is to have multiple standards and use them for different ranges of Tau. OCXO’s have good ADEV close in. Picking up a few and comparing them is pretty cheap. Rb’s have better ADEV at longer tau ( 300 sec). Comparing three or four is not

Re: [time-nuts] Phase/frequency scaling with TIC measurements (long)

2015-01-18 Thread Ivan.Cousins
For Frequency, Phase, Time and Distance I use: (delta frequency/frequency)= (delta phase/phase)= -(delta time/time)= -(delta distance/distance) This is shown on page 20.16 of Electronic Instrument Handbook, second edition by Clyde F. Coombs. It is a good reference to have available. I

Re: [time-nuts] question Alan deviation measured with Timelab and counters

2015-01-18 Thread Bob Camp
Hi I’m a little concerned about the measurement setup here. Based on the quoted text, there have been a few messages in the thread that have not showed up here. = The “start” input on the counter is defined below. The “stop” input is not defined. Is the counter running in time

[time-nuts] What are some cw signal Generators for ATE test?

2015-01-18 Thread Ivan.Cousins
time-nuts members: What are some signal generators for ATE test? Requirements: 100MHz to =10GHz (higher would be better) Settling time less than 1mS Reasonable phase noise Cost, less than mortgaging a house.:) Just a single tone that can be moved reasonably fast. IQ modulation not

Re: [time-nuts] Phase/frequency scaling with TIC measurements (long)

2015-01-18 Thread John Miles
snip If you only have your TIM file with you back home, all you have to do is to press (e) to Edit the trace, as I recall it. I might have edited the file directly also. When doing that, I helped another time-nut at one time. Uncheck the Use Input Frequency and then input 10 MHz (or

Re: [time-nuts] question Alan deviation measured with Timelab and counters

2015-01-18 Thread Charles Steinmetz
Stephane wrote: I need to make a squarer. I was hesitating between several methods : using a CMOS gate, but this will increase the flicker noise from what I've read, using an amplifier and clamping diodes or a fast comparator which might create some noise around the trigger point... Any

Re: [time-nuts] question Alan deviation measured with Timelab and counters

2015-01-18 Thread Stéphane Rey
Hello, First, please do apologize for the confusion answering in the bad email. That's things I'm absolutely able to do when replying at 3 am ! Again, sorry for that and thanks Magnus for having corrected this. Back to my setup : There is indeed nothing on the STOP input of the HP5370a. The

Re: [time-nuts] question Alan deviation measured with Timelab and counters

2015-01-18 Thread Bob Camp
Hi Ok, I didn’t think I’d seen the plots before. I agree that the plots look like “counter limited” data. That’s a fine explanation at the shorter Tau’s. I also agree that some sort of periodic “stuff” is getting into one of the signals and creating the ripple. What I’m wondering about (and

Re: [time-nuts] New algorithm, better ADEV

2015-01-18 Thread Tom Van Baak
to http://www.qsl.net/b/bi7lnq//freqcntv4/test/20150118/ . I don't know how to interprete this kind of chart. :( Li Ang, Nice data. Thanks for sharing. In a self test like this, try using a phase plot ('p') or TDEV plot ('t'). As you see, the X72 ADEV or MDEV plot is sort of boring, showing mostly

[time-nuts] Some history about the Greenwich time signal....

2015-01-18 Thread David J Taylor
Some history about the Greenwich time signal At one time, some of the most accurate clocks in the world snuggled in the folds of Surrey beauty spot Leith Hill. Why, because some of the most accurate compasses in the world were already there. Just before World War Two, a duplicate of the

Re: [time-nuts] question Alan deviation measured with Timelab and counters

2015-01-18 Thread Magnus Danielson
Hi Bob, On 01/18/2015 04:25 AM, Bob Camp wrote: Hi I’m a little concerned about the measurement setup here. Based on the quoted text, there have been a few messages in the thread that have not showed up here. The messages got accidentally posted in the wrong thread. = The “start”

Re: [time-nuts] question Alan deviation measured with Timelab and counters

2015-01-18 Thread Magnus Danielson
Bob, On 01/18/2015 02:44 PM, Bob Camp wrote: Hi Ok, I didn’t think I’d seen the plots before. I agree that the plots look like “counter limited” data. That’s a fine explanation at the shorter Tau’s. I also agree that some sort of periodic “stuff” is getting into one of the signals and

Re: [time-nuts] question Alan deviation measured with Timelab and counters

2015-01-18 Thread Bob Camp
Hi Effectively you only have one signal into the counter. It’s simply measuring the 1/tau measurement floor of the 5370. If your objective is to measure the ADEV of the measurement floor of the counter, that’s fine. Your plot looks a lot like the one half way down on:

Re: [time-nuts] question Alan deviation measured with Timelab and counters

2015-01-18 Thread Magnus Danielson
Bonjour Stéphane, On 01/18/2015 03:37 PM, Stéphane Rey wrote: Hello, First, please do apologize for the confusion answering in the bad email. That's things I'm absolutely able to do when replying at 3 am ! Again, sorry for that and thanks Magnus for having corrected this. Ah well, that's

Re: [time-nuts] Shera VXCO Controller and PCM61P

2015-01-18 Thread Didier Juges
The MAX5318 is available at Digikey. Not cheap, and not sure if it is electrically compatible, but it has good specs (not an audio DAC). And it is in a TSOP package, so can be soldered on a small adapter board Didier KO4BB On Fri, Jan 16, 2015 at 1:49 PM, Jerry Pixton jpix...@shentel.net wrote:

Re: [time-nuts] What are some cw signal Generators for ATE test?

2015-01-18 Thread Jim Lux
On 1/17/15 6:59 PM, Ivan.Cousins wrote: time-nuts members: What are some signal generators for ATE test? Requirements: 100MHz to =10GHz (higher would be better) Settling time less than 1mS Reasonable phase noise Cost, less than mortgaging a house.:) 1ms settling time is fairly fast.

Re: [time-nuts] What are some cw signal Generators for ATE test?

2015-01-18 Thread Scott McGrath
The Agilent 8340 series might be useful here - little weak in the phase noise area but they offer frequency and power sweeps. And you did say economy was a key requirement Content by Scott Typos by Siri On Jan 17, 2015, at 9:59 PM, Ivan.Cousins ijcous...@frontier.com wrote: time-nuts

Re: [time-nuts] New algorithm, better ADEV

2015-01-18 Thread Magnus Danielson
Tom, On 01/18/2015 02:44 PM, Tom Van Baak wrote: Li Ang, Nice data. Thanks for sharing. In a self test like this, try using a phase plot ('p') or TDEV plot ('t'). As you see, the X72 ADEV or MDEV plot is sort of boring, showing mostly a -1 slope to forever. In the phase (and frequency)

Re: [time-nuts] question Alan deviation measured with Timelab and counters

2015-01-18 Thread Stéphane Rey
Thanks a lot Bob and Magnus for your very helpful comments. The HP5370a was indeed in TI mode. By the way what is the difference with +/-TI, the button just aside... But I guess I understand where I've missed something : I've tried to put the Rb on channel A and the DUT on channel B but result