Re: [time-nuts] Visual clock comparison

2015-04-18 Thread Chris Albertson
If you use ticks in you experiment you will need to use headphones otherwise room acoustics does into play. With speakers you hear the tick ad also the reflection of the tick off the walls. Your close ticks will be on the same order as the delay due to reflections. The effect is 100% real ad

Re: [time-nuts] Visual clock comparison

2015-04-18 Thread David J Taylor
From: Chris Albertson It would be an easy experiment to get two analog clocks and put them side by side. You would not even have to set them to the true time, just to each other. Let one run slower and wait until you can see a difference. Clocks on a computer screen are different because the

Re: [time-nuts] Visual clock comparison

2015-04-18 Thread Bob Camp
Hi Many years ago while standing around (between races) with some pretty good stopwatches, a group of us decided to see just how well a set of people could time the same pair of start / stop events. Our conclusion was that as a group we could get agreement to +/- 1/5 second pretty consistently

Re: [time-nuts] Need advice for multilateration setup

2015-04-18 Thread Attila Kinali
Moin, On Mon, 06 Apr 2015 07:37:53 -0500 Robert Watzlavick roc...@watzlavick.com wrote: Thank you very much for the references. I had come across [4] when searching on Kalman filters for GPS aiding of INS measurements. I didn't pay much attention to the GPS chapter at the time but I'll

Re: [time-nuts] UBlox GPSDO

2015-04-18 Thread Keith Loiselle
We put together this comparative analysis between the LTE-Lite and LEA-M8F based on our measurements and observations. http://www.jackson-labs.com/assets/uploads/main/Comparative_analysis.pdf We have also noted that the LEA-M8F seems to use the digital power supply for its TCXO. This results in

[time-nuts] last page in april 2015 IEEE Spectrum

2015-04-18 Thread Jim Lux
An interesting look back: it's a copy of a Tracor ad showing someone carrying a portable Rb clock down the stairs of a PSA plane. Lots of history in that photo: no jetway, PSA, people wearing coat and tie on an airplane. Even the street name for GTC, on Bellanca Av, redolent of long-gone

[time-nuts] Visual clock comparison

2015-04-18 Thread Mark Sims
The problem is the human visual system only processes one object at a time. You can't look at and compare two separate items simultaneously. You could minimize the effect by placing one clock face directly in front of the other with like only the 12:00 positions visible (or two LEDs next to

Re: [time-nuts] UBlox GPSDO

2015-04-18 Thread Chris Caudle
On Fri, April 17, 2015 11:55 pm, Mark Sims wrote: The SiLabs part only supports loop filter time constants down to 60Hz. GPS loop filters usually use values in the 100's to 1000's of seconds. They have other parts with loop filters down to 4Hz, and I thought I saw a new part recently which

Re: [time-nuts] Visual clock comparison

2015-04-18 Thread Bill Hawkins
IIRC, automobile driver's stopping distance includes 200 msec to process the need to stop. Our wetware is not particularly fast. Bill Hawkins -Original Message- From: time-nuts [mailto:time-nuts-boun...@febo.com] On Behalf Of Chris Albertson Sent: Saturday, April 18, 2015 12:51 AM To:

Re: [time-nuts] Visual clock comparison

2015-04-18 Thread Bill Beam
Try this: Listen to time ticks thru earphones (zero time delay) and loudspeaker (1ms/ft delay) simultaneously. I am unable to hear a difference out to 15 -20ft away from the speaker. This is consist with http://whirlwindusa.com/support/tech-articles/opening-pandoras-box/ Delays of order 2-4ms

[time-nuts] Immortal Power

2015-04-18 Thread Bill Hawkins
Timenuts who want to keep their oscillators oscillating regardless of fluctuations in the power grid need a reliable Uninterruptible Power Supply. The reference to immortal power is to an ancient and very amusing account of UPS and DEC Vaxen. As part of the decommissioning of my time lab, I