Re: [time-nuts] Tuning a Trimble Thunderbolt

2015-04-22 Thread Pete Stephenson
On Tue, Apr 21, 2015 at 1:23 PM, Bob Camp kb...@n1k.org wrote: Hi inevitably on these devices, there is a marketing brochure that hits the high points in the specification. That information is public and intended to get “buzz” going on the product. Once an OEM gets serious about the

Re: [time-nuts] Tuning a Trimble Thunderbolt

2015-04-22 Thread Bruce Griffiths
A week is somewhat optimistic since the thunderbolt consumes around 1.68 kilowatt hours of energy. With a 12V battery a capacity of around  84 ampere hours (for an efficiency of 100%) which is somewhat larger than that provided for most UPS particularly those sold for use with personal

Re: [time-nuts] Ultra High Stability Time Base Options for 53132A

2015-04-22 Thread Hans Holzach
during the last days i ran a few tests with different high stability options. setup: channel 1: thunderbolt 10 mhz divided down to 1 pps channel 2: trimble 73090 DOCXO 10 MHz divided down to 1 pps. frequency offset about 7e-9 internal time bases: no additional time base; morion mv89a; trimble

Re: [time-nuts] Tuning a Trimble Thunderbolt

2015-04-22 Thread Bob Camp
Hi Backing up a bit to “getting a TBolt running”. 1) instal Lady Heather and get it connected to the TBolt 2) does it fire up and find any sats? 3) are the power supplies holding regulation? 4) nail down the antenna in the best fixed location you can find 5) run the auto-calibration feature in

Re: [time-nuts] Tuning a Trimble Thunderbolt

2015-04-22 Thread Pete Stephenson
On Wed, Apr 22, 2015 at 1:47 PM, Bob Camp kb...@n1k.org wrote: Hi Backing up a bit to “getting a TBolt running”. 1) instal Lady Heather and get it connected to the TBolt 2) does it fire up and find any sats? Yes. It had been working consistently for several days prior to my first message.

[time-nuts] Signal/Phase noise analyzer

2015-04-22 Thread Vasco Soares
Hi All, I'm searching for the less expensive signal analyzer to perform phase noise measurements on OCXO's. There is no need to go above 400 MHz - 1 GHz. I'm particularly interested on low frequency offset and good close in phase noise specs. Any recommendations? Best regards, Vasco

Re: [time-nuts] New ± 1 sec in 100 days mech clock

2015-04-22 Thread Dan Kemppainen
Hi, In all reality, achieving these results without decades of experience is probably unlikely. That said, are the specific plans available or published anywhere? Is is possible that someone willing to build and tinker could make a 'functional' copy of this unit? I would guess that not all

Re: [time-nuts] Tuning a Trimble Thunderbolt

2015-04-22 Thread Chris Albertson
On Tue, Apr 21, 2015 at 1:30 AM, Pete Stephenson p...@heypete.com wrote: On Tue, Apr 21, 2015 at 4:25 AM, Charles Steinmetz Indeed. I'm running a 48-hour survey with Lady Heather now to see if that can improve things a bit more. You can let the GPS receiver do a self-survey but you can also

[time-nuts] Tuning a Trimble Thunderbolt

2015-04-22 Thread Mark Sims
On a Thunderbolt, you can only manually enter your position with using single-precision floating point numbers... not really accurate enough for a time-nut. When Lady Heather does a precision survey, it stores the high-prescision results of the 48-hour survey by doing repeated single-point

Re: [time-nuts] Tuning a Trimble Thunderbolt

2015-04-22 Thread wb6bnq
Hi Pete, I am a little confused. In your screen shot the overdetermined clock says you are at precisely 46.00 North by 7.0 East at 547 Meters. However, Google Earth shows that location at over 10 thousnad feet (3100 meters) elevation in a remote part of the Switzerland mountains.

[time-nuts] Tuning a Trimble Thunderbolt

2015-04-22 Thread Mark Sims
A couple of thinks to note: Before running the auto-calibration feature, first set the antenna elevation mask angle to a low value and let it run for a few (say 12) hours. This will collect data on the received signal strength vs satellite elevation angle. The auto-calibration routine sets

Re: [time-nuts] Signal/Phase noise analyzer

2015-04-22 Thread Don Latham
You might like the SignalHound: http://signalhound.com/ Don Vasco Soares Hi All, I'm searching for the less expensive signal analyzer to perform phase noise measurements on OCXO's. There is no need to go above 400 MHz - 1 GHz. I'm particularly interested on low frequency offset and good

Re: [time-nuts] Signal/Phase noise analyzer

2015-04-22 Thread Bob Camp
Hi Is this for a business or for a basement? Are you looking for new self contained gear or combinations of used gear? Is a cross comparison device ok or do you need a stand alone device? How low do you need to go how fast? Is -190 dbc/ Hz low enough? Is a 24 hour run to long? Lots of

Re: [time-nuts] Signal/Phase noise analyzer

2015-04-22 Thread John Miles
I'm searching for the less expensive signal analyzer to perform phase noise measurements on OCXO's. There is no need to go above 400 MHz - 1 GHz. I'm particularly interested on low frequency offset and good close in phase noise specs. Any recommendations? Tough to say without a budget range.

Re: [time-nuts] Ultra High Stability Time Base Options for 53132A

2015-04-22 Thread Bob Camp
Hi I suspect that the “more alarming” signatures on the stable sources are a function of them “holding still” (in phase) longer. With the less stable sources, the junk is still there, it just is smeared out more. Bob On Apr 22, 2015, at 6:17 AM, Hans Holzach hans.holz...@gmail.com wrote:

Re: [time-nuts] Tuning a Trimble Thunderbolt

2015-04-22 Thread Bob Camp
Hi Looking at that screen shot, something is *very* wrong with your GPS reception. Your GPS is 10X worse than it should be. On Apr 22, 2015, at 9:37 AM, Pete Stephenson p...@heypete.com wrote: On Wed, Apr 22, 2015 at 1:47 PM, Bob Camp kb...@n1k.org wrote: Hi Backing up a bit to

[time-nuts] Leica AT-303

2015-04-22 Thread John Green
I've been away for a long time. So, I guess that makes me the new guy, all over again. I have long coveted a choke ring GPS antenna. Oh, I have several so called timing grade ones but I have always wanted a choke ring. After watching them on eBay for a long time and seeing them in the $600 range,

Re: [time-nuts] Leica AT-303

2015-04-22 Thread Bob Camp
Hi Gee… I wonder who got the other one ….:) They are big beasts and are both heavy and a wind load. Both need to be taken into account when mounting them. They most certainly do have preamps in them. Often the preamps do not work down at the 5V that a 3801 puts out. The gain of the antenna may

Re: [time-nuts] New ± 1 sec in 100 days mech clock

2015-04-22 Thread Bob Camp
Hi In some ways this is like: I can buy tubes of paint and some brushes down at Hobby Lobby. That’s what I need to paint the next Mona Lisa. While that’s all quite true, it’s not the whole story :) There’s an enormous amount of training and experience that goes into fitting this sort of

[time-nuts] Tuning a Trimble Thunderbolt

2015-04-22 Thread Arthur Dent
wb6bnq wrote: “I am a little confused. In your screen shot the overdetermined clock says you are at precisely 46.00 North by 7.0 East at 547 Meters.” I think I have the answer. I know when I was selling Tbolts I would PhotoShop out every digit after the decimal point so the displayed

Re: [time-nuts] Tuning a Trimble Thunderbolt

2015-04-22 Thread Charles Steinmetz
Pete wrote: It'd be nice if there was some way to keep the crystal going through power interruptions, even if the oven itself cooled off. I suspect Trimble (correctly) assumed that the vast majority of these units were to be installed in cell sites with reliable power so that wouldn't be an