Re: [time-nuts] Divider circuit for Rubidium Standard

2015-05-05 Thread Richard (Rick) Karlquist
On 4/26/2015 3:51 AM, Bryan _ wrote: All: P I was looking at the project from David partridges web site http://www.perdrix.co.uk/FrequencyDivider/index.html -=Bryan=- ___ This is a comparator based

[time-nuts] CM level GPS accuracy in a smartphone

2015-05-05 Thread Mark Sims
Should be fun when it becomes available... they claim they can get accurate carrier phase info using a cheap antenna in the phone... and in real time. It should also be able to get accurate time. http://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/2015-05/uota-ncg050415.php

[time-nuts] TymServe 2100 1995 Issue - A Kludgy Fix

2015-05-05 Thread Alan Ambrose
Hi, It's not that simple. First, it's not 20 years, but 1024 weeks (19.6 years). And not UTC weeks (which may have leap seconds) but GPS weeks (which do not, and are always 604800 seconds long). etc Don't think it's _that_ much code though. There's some open source ACM date algorithms,

Re: [time-nuts] The low budget UT+ newbie time-nut project: FrequencyReference

2015-05-05 Thread Bob Camp
HI For what you are doing, RG-6 Quad Shield is fine. Save the LMR-400 for other things. Get a pigtail that will connect to the GPS board. It needs to be pretty flexible. That connector is not very study. Don’t bother with an adapter. Been there / done that, not a good idea. You need the

Re: [time-nuts] The low budget UT+ newbie time-nut project: FrequencyReference

2015-05-05 Thread Bob Bownes
Bob, I'm sure much more qualified nuts will chime in, but a few thoughts of mine. Over the years, I've collected enough GPS antennas from hamfests, online vendors and who-knows-where, all for prices from free to tens of dollars. Most of them came with anywhere from 3' to 10+meters of cable. Most

Re: [time-nuts] Lucent KS-24361/Thunderbolt antenna advice sought.

2015-05-05 Thread Bob Camp
Hi Ok, all of these receivers are designed to work with an amplified antenna. The typical antennas have between 20 and 30 db of gain. They allow a cable loss of ~ 10 db between the antenna and the receiver. A 3 db splitter would come out of the “cable loss” budget. The receivers put out 5V

Re: [time-nuts] Tymserve 2100 thinks it's 1995?

2015-05-05 Thread Bob Camp
Hi The point is that the company likely has newer products that are based on the same code concepts. Not all software ideas are covered by copyright or a patent. Once you give away copies of the code, the world can base products off that code. You now have a competitor who has a *much* lower

Re: [time-nuts] The low budget UT+ newbie time-nut project: FrequencyReference

2015-05-05 Thread Tom Van Baak
For reasons unknown to me, the body of the message was missing on the first attempt. Hi Bob, While we debug your mail problem, here is your post. /tvb - Original Message - From: Bob Fleming To: time-nuts@febo.com Sent: Tuesday, May 05, 2015 3:36 PM Subject: The low budget UT+

Re: [time-nuts] CM level GPS accuracy in a smartphone

2015-05-05 Thread Bob Camp
Hi I think I’d bet on L1/L5 (with similar accuracy) showing up cheap on the market first. Bob On May 5, 2015, at 6:01 PM, Mark Sims hol...@hotmail.com wrote: Should be fun when it becomes available... they claim they can get accurate carrier phase info using a cheap antenna in the

Re: [time-nuts] TymServe 2100 1995 Issue - A Kludgy Fix

2015-05-05 Thread Brian Inglis
On 2015-05-05 11:47, Hal Murray wrote: cfhar...@erols.com said: Surely the receiver is still producing correct frames that identify the future leapsecond, and those frames could be read, and used to set a little routine that wakes up at the appropriate second, and adjusts the overall offset?

Re: [time-nuts] TymServe 2100 1995 Issue - A Kludgy Fix

2015-05-05 Thread Tom Van Baak
Don't think it's _that_ much code though. There's some open source ACM date algorithms, and it would be easy enough to implement a quick and dirty fix, adding a number of days offset, while the rest of the algorithm is tested. Will the next time this problem reoccurs be another 20 years?

[time-nuts] The low budget UT+ newbie time-nut project: Frequency Reference

2015-05-05 Thread Bob Fleming
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Re: [time-nuts] TymServe 2100 1995 Issue - A Kludgy Fix

2015-05-05 Thread Chuck Harris
Seems to me that the obvious simple answer works this way: Since the GPS must use an RS232 connection to communicate its information to the other devices in the telescope, all that need be done is to write a fairly trivial program to run on a PIC, or Arduino, that when presented with the date,

Re: [time-nuts] TymServe 2100 1995 Issue - A Kludgy Fix

2015-05-05 Thread Hal Murray
p...@heypete.com said: Is there a list of other common time-nut devices that are susceptible to similar issues? Lots of time-nuts use surplus equipment that's no longer supported and it'd not be fun to have them stop working. We should make a list of good/bad units. The Z3801A does the

Re: [time-nuts] TymServe 2100 1995 Issue - A Kludgy Fix

2015-05-05 Thread Tom Van Baak
Hi Chuck, It's not that simple. First, it's not 20 years, but 1024 weeks (19.6 years). And not UTC weeks (which may have leap seconds) but GPS weeks (which do not, and are always 604800 seconds long). So you have to convert the incorrect UTC date and time back to GPS date and time, then apply

Re: [time-nuts] TymServe 2100 1995 Issue - A Kludgy Fix

2015-05-05 Thread Bob Camp
Hi The simple list of devices susceptible to this problem is: Almost all of them from before 1998, many of them after that. The issue is inherent in the design of the GPS coding and un-aided recovery of that coding. The need to address it only was apparent to most marketing departments after

Re: [time-nuts] Lucent KS-24361/Thunderbolt antenna advice sought.

2015-05-05 Thread Oghma
Thanks to Vlad, Bob, and Chris for the responses so far - and for the helpful suggestions/advice. Since the focus of the answers to my (I suppose, dual-headed) question has been on the splitting/sharing aspect, rather than on actual antenna type/model, I'm guessing that the actual antenna used

Re: [time-nuts] Ultra High Stability Time Base Options for 53132A

2015-05-05 Thread Charles Steinmetz
Joe and I discovered some component value errors in the schematic I posted yesterday. I uploaded a corrected schematic to Didier's site. The filename of the corrected schematic is: HP_53132-60011_Timebase_Support_Board_schematic_redrawn.pdf When it comes off quarantine, you will be able to

Re: [time-nuts] Tymserve 2100 thinks it's 1995?

2015-05-05 Thread Sean Gallagher
Hi all, The problem is not the 2100. It is the Trimble Ace III receivers inside of it. There is a company in France, Heol Design, that makes what is essentially a replacement for the Ace III, they call it an N024 model. I am currently in contact with them to see if their units will correct

Re: [time-nuts] TymServe 2100 1995 Issue - A Kludgy Fix

2015-05-05 Thread Chuck Harris
Hi Tom, One of the first words I taught my precocious kid when he was less than a year old was balderdash. It seemed appropriate for him to know that word if I was going to be his father. Hard for me to believe that little boy graduates from CMU with his BS in physics this month The

Re: [time-nuts] Tymserve 2100 thinks it's 1995?

2015-05-05 Thread Tom Van Baak
Hi Sean, Thanks much for that information. And now I guess we can't blame Trimble either since their 15-year old Ace documentation [1] says: ACE III GPS System Designer Reference Manual Part Number: 41265-00 Revision: A Date: June 2000 Firmware: 8.08 3.5.1

Re: [time-nuts] Tymserve 2100 thinks it's 1995?

2015-05-05 Thread Alan Ambrose
Hi, You can claim that software costs nothing once you write the first copy. In the next breath we all expect to get ongoing customer support for that software and (e ) patches for this and that. When a vendor charges us by the year for that support we are unhappy. Would I love to

Re: [time-nuts] TimeLab + sr620

2015-05-05 Thread lincoln
Hello Magnus, It was a baud rate issue. Time Monitor defaults to 9600 and Time Lab uses 19200. Changed the counter and time monitor to use 19.2k and every body is happy. Now I have to figure out how to use time lab. My TIE plots just show as a strait line, I can zoom in to

Re: [time-nuts] TymServe 2100 1995 Issue - A Kludgy Fix

2015-05-05 Thread Hal Murray
cfhar...@erols.com said: Surely the receiver is still producing correct frames that identify the future leapsecond, and those frames could be read, and used to set a little routine that wakes up at the appropriate second, and adjusts the overall offset? Is there any leap-warning info in

Re: [time-nuts] The low budget UT+ newbie time-nut project: Frequency Reference

2015-05-05 Thread Chris Albertson
I think the lowest cost GPSDO frequency reference has to be one made from these parts. You can get up and running for under $50. 1) the UT+ 2) a patch antenna 2) the Lars Walenius Arduino based controller, using the $3 version of the Arduino 3) An eBay OCXO for about $20. (this is the most

Re: [time-nuts] TimeLab + sr620

2015-05-05 Thread Magnus Danielson
Lincoln, Did you configure the coulder to use RS232 rather than GPIB? It's in the manual. Cheers, Magnus On 05/04/2015 07:28 AM, lincoln wrote: Hello, I've taken a first pass at using TimeLab over the weekend. I wasn't able to get it to work with my SRS sr 620 over RS232. I know

Re: [time-nuts] TymServe 2100 1995 Issue - A Kludgy Fix

2015-05-05 Thread Pete Stephenson
On Tue, May 5, 2015 at 2:42 AM, Andrew Cooper acoo...@keck.hawaii.edu wrote: We also ran into the TS2100 1995 bug this weekend. For us the consequences are a bit more severe... The telescopes will not point to the right location in the sky without accurate time! Ouch. I have some friends

Re: [time-nuts] GPS splitter (was antenna advice sought)

2015-05-05 Thread Paul
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