Re: [time-nuts] PPS for NTP Server - How Close Is Good Enough?

2015-06-13 Thread M. George
Hal, what stopped me from going down the BBB path was the reports of RF noise, they supposedly create a lot of noise. Not acceptable in an HF environment. Google around about the RF noise with the BBB. mg NG7M On Sat, Jun 13, 2015 at 12:02 AM, Hal Murray hmur...@megapathdsl.net wrote:

Re: [time-nuts] Raspberry Pi tweaks and custom kernel, was RE: PPS for NTP Server - How Close Is Good Enough?

2015-06-13 Thread Bob Camp
Hi At best, simply because of the way that USB interface works, you can go from the ~1/2 ms range into the ~1/4 ms range. Rewriting the low level drivers may be required. This compares to an equivalent lag on a device with a built in ethernet of 0.001 ms. The easy thing to do is to simply

[time-nuts] time-nuts slow this week

2015-06-13 Thread Tom Van Baak
Hello time-nuts list members, Part of this past week we have been experiencing a strange slowdown of the febo.com out-going time-nuts mail list server. This has caused postings (including this one?) to be delayed by hours, even tens of hours. We're still trying to figure it out. Thanks

[time-nuts] Cheap 48V 2A power supply

2015-06-13 Thread Mark Sims
BG Micro has some nice 48V 2A power supply modules for around $12. IEC power cord in (100-240V), 2.1mm barrel connector out. Seems to work well with my Nortel GPSDOs, but I haven't scoped the thing out for noise, etc.

Re: [time-nuts] NTG550AA 1 PPS mod

2015-06-13 Thread Hal Murray
kb...@n1k.org said: The very real question is still - which edge is correct? Has anybody seen a GPSDO where the leading edge of a narrow pulse wasn't the correct one? -- These are my opinions. I hate spam. ___ time-nuts mailing list --

Re: [time-nuts] Cheap 48V 2A power supply

2015-06-13 Thread John Allen
Thanks Mark - Here is the data sheet: http://www.farnell.com/datasheets/1903642.pdf John K1AE -Original Message- From: time-nuts [mailto:time-nuts-boun...@febo.com] On Behalf Of Mark Sims Sent: Saturday, June 13, 2015 5:20 PM To: time-nuts@febo.com Subject: [time-nuts] Cheap 48V 2A power

Re: [time-nuts] PPS for NTP Server - How Close Is Good Enough?

2015-06-13 Thread M. George
Several time-nuts have asked about my setup, here are some details of what I changed in the kernel and in the NTP build... Make sure and use the default config for the Pi 2 CPU when setting up .config for the Linux kernel. Make sure you are actually seeing your new kernel after you copy it to

[time-nuts] My HP 5370B reads 6 nS out!

2015-06-13 Thread Peter Reilley
I just got a new (to me) HP 5370B and I wanted to try it out on the 1 PPS output from a Trimble Resolution T. Using 10K samples averaging it is always about 6 or 7 nS to high. Shouldn't this average toward zero? If I use no averaging it bounces around within the expected range. I have done

Re: [time-nuts] NTGS50AA 1 PPS mod

2015-06-13 Thread Bob Camp
Hi Of course tomorrow you will stumble into a “great deal” on a complete cell site that needs a 9.8304 MHz clock :) One thing to watch: The pps you now have may or may not be deterministic in its relation to the every other second output. It also may or may not be in a fixed relation

[time-nuts] hp 5061b replacement tube

2015-06-13 Thread lincoln
Hello, I'm guessing I all ready know the answer to this but: A friend gave me a hp 5061b but in need a tube. Symmetricom was listing the price of a replacement at 35k before the go bought out by Microsemi. Given Microsemi has a tendency to rebrand equipment and then charge 4x the price,

Re: [time-nuts] Using CPLD/FPGA or similar for frequency

2015-06-13 Thread lincoln
Hello It also depends on which device primitives you can use. Xilinx spartan series has an SRL16, 16 bit shift register that can be ganged to form dividers / pre scalers. It only takes up one lut or slice, I forget which. Link On Jun 11, 2015, at 4:11 AM, Bob Camp kb...@n1k.org wrote: Hi

Re: [time-nuts] NTG550AA 1 PPS mod

2015-06-13 Thread Ed Armstrong
Ignacio, I would very much appreciate a copy of whatever schematics you have, even if it is not guaranteed to be 100% accurate I agree with you that the 9.9804 Mhz is basically useless, while the even second pulse is merely almost useless. However, as you have apparently looked the board over

Re: [time-nuts] NTG550AA 1 PPS mod

2015-06-13 Thread EB4APL
Hi Ed, While your board is not exactly the same as mine I think that the schematics are almost identical but the TPs and probably the chip names has changed. I think that the main difference is that your unit can be powered with -48 V or +24 V and obviously the parts layout has changed. I

Re: [time-nuts] Using CPLD/FPGA or similar for frequency

2015-06-13 Thread Bob Camp
Hi The whole “weird primitives” thing is why I try to count this stuff in registers (flip flops) used rather than what ever neat name the marketing guys came up with this week that sounds better than “glob of stuff”. Bob On Jun 12, 2015, at 11:44 PM, lincoln linc...@ampmonkeys.com wrote:

Re: [time-nuts] Raspberry Pi tweaks and custom kernel, was RE: PPS for NTP Server - How Close Is Good Enough?

2015-06-13 Thread David J Taylor
Hi Max! Thanks for the information, I was wondering if you had documented what you did to your Raspberry Pi so that it might be reproducible to someone like me (a newcomer time-nut and intermediate Linux user) ... you had said: [] Thanks so much for your assistance! Sorry if these questions

Re: [time-nuts] NTG550AA 1 PPS mod

2015-06-13 Thread Hal Murray
I agree with you that the 9.9804 Mhz is basically useless, ... Is it really useless? How stable or clean is it? Would it be useful as the reference input to a DMTD? I believe the antenna cable feed delay is going to work in the wrong direction here Have you tried a negative number?

Re: [time-nuts] PPS for NTP Server - How Close Is Good Enough?

2015-06-13 Thread Hal Murray
eds_equipm...@verizon.net said: Is it possible to modify the kernel so the USB is polled more often, and would that significantly reduce the jitter? Modifying the kernel may not be enough if the timing parameters are in the microcode for the USB device. Whether any improvement is

Re: [time-nuts] NTG550AA 1 PPS mod

2015-06-13 Thread Bob Camp
Hi On Jun 12, 2015, at 7:14 PM, Ed Armstrong eds_equipm...@verizon.net wrote: Ignacio, I would very much appreciate a copy of whatever schematics you have, even if it is not guaranteed to be 100% accurate I agree with you that the 9.9804 Mhz is basically useless, while the even second

Re: [time-nuts] hp 5061b replacement tube

2015-06-13 Thread Pete Lancashire
Define 'needs a tube Paul Swed and I have 5061's and both are way past what most would consider needing a new tube. Search the archives on what we have done. I power mine up every 4 months and let it run for a few hours to a day. And once or twice a year. Last year mine has run for a couple

Re: [time-nuts] hp 5061b replacement tube

2015-06-13 Thread paul swed
Dead tube is a huge issue.At least for most of us finding a replacement tube is zero especially at a cost that is reasonable. I speculate that given the age of all 5061s pretty much all the tubes should be in very bad shape. They only had a life of 7 years and we are many years beyond that. I

Re: [time-nuts] hp 5061b replacement tube

2015-06-13 Thread Bob Camp
Hi We’ve had a cesium back for rebuild after the Microsemi merger. The price on a tube is still in the same vicinity. If you ship the Cs back to them, they will do a rebuild and drop the tube in. The price on that process is only firm once they see the actual device. So far our rebuilds all

Re: [time-nuts] NTGS50AA 1 PPS mod

2015-06-13 Thread EB4APL
Hi, I just finish the mod. It was easy, I cut the trace between TP14 and U405-6 and soldered a wire between TP14 and TP33. Now I have a pretty 1 PPS on J5, the old 9.8304 MHz output. The signal has 0-5 V levels, normally high with a 10 us pulse going down. In my unit this pulse leads the