Re: [time-nuts] Raspberry Pi tweaks and custom kernel, was RE: PPS for NTP Server - How Close Is Good Enough?

2015-06-15 Thread Bob Camp
Hi Unless you have fancy switches on your LAN (1588 stamping), PTP performance will be dependent on load and the “goodness” of the switches you do have. These are pretty much the same (external) things that impact NTP. On a LAN with variable loading (time to stream some movies …) the

Re: [time-nuts] My HP 5370B reads 6 nS out!

2015-06-15 Thread Peter Reilley
Frank; Thanks for your long and detailed explanation. I was able to get the internal OCXO to that precision but it was probably luck to get the trimmer that close. I worked at it for a while. I am using T.I. mode with the averaging mode. I assumed that it took 10K readings and averaged the

Re: [time-nuts] Raspberry Pi tweaks and custom kernel, was RE: PPS for NTP Server - How Close Is Good Enough?

2015-06-15 Thread Chris Caudle
On Mon, June 15, 2015 8:01 pm, Bob Camp wrote: Unless you have fancy switches on your LAN (1588 stamping), PTP performance will be dependent on load and the goodness of the switches you do have. These are pretty much the same (external) things that impact NTP. Yes, but proper differentiated

Re: [time-nuts] Using CPLD/FPGA or similar for frequency

2015-06-15 Thread Bob Camp
Hi I’ve spent a lot of time with both of those papers and with a couple of others in the “series’. The gotcha is in the interpretation of the calibration results. It is often very unclear which pattern comes before which other pattern. Since the internal PLL’s have jitter in the 20 to 30 ps RMS

Re: [time-nuts] Using CPLD/FPGA or similar for frequency

2015-06-15 Thread Hal Murray
kb...@n1k.org said: Since the internal PLL’s have jitter in the 20 to 30 ps RMS range, that limits a lot of the data you get. I haven't looked recently, but I doubt if much has changed. Xilinx uses DLLs rather than PLLs. They have a long chain of buffers and a giant multiplexor to

Re: [time-nuts] Using CPLD/FPGA or similar for frequency

2015-06-15 Thread Bruce Griffiths
Using an ADC to sample a triggered damped sinewave easily achieves 5ps resolution (eg Keysight Acquiris). With a better optimised waveform model and least squares fitting routine greater resolution is feasible. The accuracy is dependent on the ADC sampling clock stability. An optical frequency

Re: [time-nuts] Using CPLD/FPGA or similar for frequency

2015-06-15 Thread Bob Camp
Hi Coming up with a reference clock can be harder than you might think. Most of the jitter numbers you see published on frequency sources are based on a “jitter mask” that runs from (maybe) 10 KHz up to 20 MHz. That’s fine for a specific telecom need. It may not in any way apply to capturing a

Re: [time-nuts] Raspberry Pi tweaks and custom kernel, was RE: PPS for NTP Server - How Close Is Good Enough?

2015-06-15 Thread Chris Caudle
On Mon, June 15, 2015 1:23 am, David J Taylor wrote: I don't think either system is good enough as a microsecond level server, but either is fine for tenth millisecond level. The BeagleBone Black has the advantage that you can run one of the timers from an external input, so you can use the

[time-nuts] Heol Design N024 GPS receiver

2015-06-15 Thread Sean Gallagher
So we finally got in our test Heol N024 GPS replacement board for the Trimble Ace III that ran into the 1995 rollover and most notably affected just about everyone with a Datum/Symmetricom/Microsemi TymServe 2100. As Olivier Descoubes (the contact at Heol) posted I can confirm that their

Re: [time-nuts] Heol Design N024 GPS receiver

2015-06-15 Thread Sean Gallagher
It also has better performance than the original board and some newer NTP servers that use older GPS. This is just based off of data that I'm reading. I'm not proficient enough to do testing and analysis on it other than the data sheet and what my TymServe display tells me. If anyone has any

Re: [time-nuts] Raspberry Pi tweaks and custom kernel, was RE: PPS for NTP Server - How Close Is Good Enough?

2015-06-15 Thread David J Taylor
Hi Just to be clear, your peer delay numbers for the Pi show and improvement from 0.5 ms down to 0.3 ms with some tweaks. A “non-usb” ethernet setup can get those delays down much further. In the context of the original question “tweaking the USB drivers” this is what was being addressed.

[time-nuts] My HP 5370B reads 6 nS out!

2015-06-15 Thread Frank Stellmach
Pete, you do not specify, whether you use FREQ or T.I. when you use the averaging function. First of all, its OCXO can be adjusted to a few parts in 1e-9 only, as the trimmer is too unprecise. If the OCXO is running for several weeks already (idle state), its drift may be as low as a few

Re: [time-nuts] Using CPLD/FPGA or similar for frequency

2015-06-15 Thread Attila Kinali
On Wed, 10 Jun 2015 21:45:33 -0400 Bob Camp kb...@n1k.org wrote: The delay line in an FPGA approach might get you to 20 ps. There is a lot of hand waving in the calibration process to get there. ( = figuring out that state A came before state B is based on things that are difficult to

Re: [time-nuts] Using CPLD/FPGA or similar for frequency

2015-06-15 Thread Attila Kinali
On Thu, 11 Jun 2015 14:22:58 + Alan Ambrose alan.ambr...@anagram.net wrote: A clever interpolator for frequency or TIC would kill it - for TIC essentially a PICTIC on steroids. The PICTIC does 19pS with a 10 bit ADC and a 66MHz clock, an SR620 does 4pS with a 12 bit ADC and an 80 MHz

Re: [time-nuts] PPS for NTP Server - How Close Is Good Enough?

2015-06-15 Thread Attila Kinali
On Fri, 12 Jun 2015 18:29:29 -0400 Ed Armstrong eds_equipm...@verizon.net wrote: The Ethernet on the Raspberry Pi is on the USB bus. That adds about a 1/2 ms of jitter. Is it possible to modify the kernel so the USB is polled more often, and would that significantly reduce the jitter?