Re: [time-nuts] Modified Allan Deviation and counter averaging

2015-08-04 Thread Magnus Danielson
Poul-Henning, On 08/03/2015 01:07 AM, Poul-Henning Kamp wrote: In message 55bdb002.8060...@rubidium.dyndns.org, Magnus Danielson writes: For true white PM *random* noise you can move your phase samples around, but you gain nothing by bursting them. I gain nothing mathematically,

Re: [time-nuts] HP10811 dual oven

2015-08-04 Thread billriches
Hi Dan, I would appreciate it also. Thank you. 73, Bill, WA2DVU Cape May -Original Message- From: time-nuts [mailto:time-nuts-bounces+bill.riches=verizon@febo.com] On Behalf Of Alexander Pummer Sent: Monday, August 03, 2015 8:14 PM To: Discussion of precise time and frequency

[time-nuts] HP10811 dual oven

2015-08-04 Thread Mark Sims
I laid out a through-hole version of Warren's board in Eagle and had OSHPARK fab up three of them. I sent one to Warren and am using the other two. The one mod I made was to use a single darlington TO-220 instead of the two transistor stage that Warren used. They seem to work quite well. I

Re: [time-nuts] 60Hz line data

2015-08-04 Thread Alexander Pummer
but for a very long time we get --or better to say got in the past -- the correct number of periods of the line frequency, I have two clocks side by side -- one driven by the power line the other is an atomic clock from Westclox guided by WWVB and the seldom disagree about the time 73

Re: [time-nuts] wtd: WWVB info

2015-08-04 Thread Scott Newell
At 05:43 PM 8/4/2015, Donald wrote: I have been looking into WWVB receivers. I see that the sources I had purchased from a few years ago are no longer available(in the US). I've bought modules and antennas recently from Germany and the UK:

Re: [time-nuts] wtd: WWVB info

2015-08-04 Thread Hal Murray
kb...@n1k.org said: So far there have not been any home brew design radios show up that will demodulate and lock to the new data format. There is plenty of info on the transmit format. The demodulation approach is not crazy hard. That said, there’s still a lot of work to get a receiver

Re: [time-nuts] HP10811 dual oven

2015-08-04 Thread Pete Lancashire
Charles When I made the offer for the unit, I took the chance that it might be, I saw that the s/n was 3505A02095, the same HP prefix on my other dead dual oven 10811. When I got it, my luck won this time, one of the coax cables is tagged 10 MHz and the other EFC. A bit of background The

Re: [time-nuts] HP10811 dual oven

2015-08-04 Thread Charles Steinmetz
Pete wrote: I have a HP / Symmetricom unit that has a dual oven 10811 that was part of a telecom master clock distribution system that was only meant to run in a controlled environment. I'm not 100% positive, but I believe the OCXO in your photos is not an HP 10811, but rather the

Re: [time-nuts] 60Hz line data

2015-08-04 Thread Hal Murray
b...@iaxs.net said: Frankly, I'm puzzled by the graphs that relate to the time offset. All that's available to the observer is the line frequency. Relative time may be inferred with a cycle counter. How is that counter set to UTC? How can you tell the difference between time error from some

Re: [time-nuts] HP10811 dual oven

2015-08-04 Thread paul swed
Pete Always the interesting tid bits. Thats the same double oven in the HP Z3801 I have one that went nuts. What a gooey mess. I set the whole thing on the shelf as a someday project. The Z3801 actually has something besides that as an issue. Regards Paul. WB8TSL On Tue, Aug 4, 2015 at 12:47 PM,

Re: [time-nuts] HP10811 dual oven

2015-08-04 Thread WarrenS via time-nuts
Mark Posted I laid out a through-hole version of Warren's board in Eagle and had OSHPARK fab up three of them. I sent one to Warren and am using the other two. The one mod I made was to use a single darlington TO-220 instead of the two transistor stage that Warren used. They seem to work quite

[time-nuts] Looking for manual Micrologic ML200

2015-08-04 Thread Ludwig Puller
Subject: looking for manual Micrologic ML200 Hi all, I found a ML 200 loran C receiver and would like to put it on work. Can anybody supply me with a manual? Any help is very appreciated Regards Ludwig oe1lpw --- Diese E-Mail wurde von Avast Antivirus-Software auf Viren geprüft.

Re: [time-nuts] 58503A stats

2015-08-04 Thread Alan Ambrose
p.s. here's the view south taken from about 2m below the antenna: https://www.dropbox.com/s/zejod2sfi4iogq1/IMG_460371644.JPG?dl=0 Alan From: Alan Ambrose Sent: 04 August 2015 9:50 AM To: 'time-nuts@febo.com' time-nuts@febo.com Subject: 58503A stats Hi, Here is a screen capture from excellent

[time-nuts] eLORAN test 6 Aug. Both Dana In. and wildwood nj

2015-08-04 Thread paul swed
The Wildwood, NJ Transmitter will be on air from 0900 (EDT) 06 August until 1800 (EDT) 07 August. Wildwood will be broadcasting as 8970 Master and Secondary. The Dana, IN transmitter will also be on air intermittently during this time period. Dana will be broadcasting as 9960 Master and possibly

Re: [time-nuts] HP10811 dual oven

2015-08-04 Thread Pete Lancashire
Bob/TNuts .. I have a HP / Symmetricom unit that has a dual oven 10811 that was part of a telecom master clock distribution system that was only meant to run in a controlled environment. https://goo.gl/photos/xpfnxRegRyuykLSy5 Just another data point -pete On Sun, Aug 2, 2015 at 3:26 PM,

[time-nuts] wtd: WWVB info

2015-08-04 Thread Donald
I have been looking into WWVB receivers. I see that the sources I had purchased from a few years ago are no longer available(in the US). I see that the format of the WWVB signal has changed a little as well. Has NIST done something to not allow chip manufactures to make new chips/modules ?

[time-nuts] 58503A stats

2015-08-04 Thread Alan Ambrose
Hi, Here is a screen capture from excellent Ulrich's Z38XX program: https://www.dropbox.com/s/6p5dr8apsftrckf/Z38XX-1.JPG?dl=0 This is the first time that I've seen this output and I have a couple of questions. I should explain that the antenna is fairly well situated in London UK with a good

Re: [time-nuts] wtd: WWVB info

2015-08-04 Thread paul swed
Don nothing magical. Simply no market. Regards Paul WB8TSL On Tue, Aug 4, 2015 at 6:43 PM, Donald donvuko...@gmail.com wrote: I have been looking into WWVB receivers. I see that the sources I had purchased from a few years ago are no longer available(in the US). I see that the format of

Re: [time-nuts] wtd: WWVB info

2015-08-04 Thread Bob Camp
Hi Quick summary: WWVB changed the format of their transmissions. They now have a phase modulation component in the signal. That *eventually* will let people make a better chip to demodulate the time info string (and to get more info out of it). So far the new chips have not been spotted for