Re: [time-nuts] nuts about position

2018-06-06 Thread Dan Kemppainen
I would be quite interested in the results of this test from something like a Ublox 6T or 8 unit. Please keep us posted. Dan On 6/5/2018 2:35 PM, time-nuts-requ...@febo.com wrote: The next thing I want to try is a receiver self-survey vs the post processed results... I may be able to

Re: [time-nuts] time-nuts Digest, Vol 166, Issue 44

2018-05-21 Thread Dan Kemppainen
Mark, Ditto this. On 6T's and M8T's both. The 6T's do have an odd issue once in a while, right at the roll over limit from +10.whatever nS to -10.whatever nS, sometimes the sawtooth value comes in with the wrong sign. We were playing with the 6T's in a GPSDO, against a good crystal it

Re: [time-nuts] nuts about position

2018-04-25 Thread Dan Kemppainen
Hi, Anecdotal response. A few years back we played with using handheld garmin units (GPSMAP 62st) for locating property lines and corners. We averaged for 6 to 12 hours at known standards (section corners). This data was used to subdivide the section for property corner locations, and these

Re: [time-nuts] Cheap jitter measurements

2018-04-10 Thread Dan Kemppainen
Hi Bob, The performance counter does not use the system time calls, NTP, etc. It's an independent counter clocked from raw CPU clock. So you have a ~300pS Timestamping counter in the processor. Why not use that hardware to do the measurement? Does the signal have to exit the PC to measure it?

Re: [time-nuts] Cheap jitter measurements

2018-04-10 Thread Dan Kemppainen
Hi, Yes, but isn't generating pulses OUT of a PC with low latency/jitter one of the difficult issues? If we (somebody smarter than me...) flip this around and modify a copy NTP to grab the QueryPerformanceCounter value when it gets a PPS pulse and log that count, don't we now have a way to

Re: [time-nuts] Cheap jitter measurements

2018-04-10 Thread Dan Kemppainen
Hi, Don't know how good they are, but there are two functions in the kernel32 lib in windows that are related to a cpu performance counter, QueryPerformanceCounter and QueryPerformanceFrequency. (Maybe Linux has similar?) Anyway, on most systems the frequency reported is the raw cpu clock.

Re: [time-nuts] Environmental sensor recommendations.

2018-04-05 Thread Dan Kemppainen
Hi John, Thermocouples are very robust, and have a very wide operating range. However they require extremely accurate voltage measurements to get to sub degree temperature accuracy. On top of that they require a local temperature sensor to measure the 'reference' temperature (Or an actual

Re: [time-nuts] Identify RFTGM-II-XO Part

2018-01-10 Thread Dan Kemppainen
Patrick, It's possible that's one of the integrated RF amps, and not just an RF transistor. You should be able to tell by tracing out the circuit. The inputs and outputs will typically be capacitor coupled, with DC fed to the output through a chip inductor or similar choke and resistor.

[time-nuts] UltrAtomic clock.

2017-11-05 Thread Dan Kemppainen
Hi all, So, anyone notice what time their UltrAtomic clock did the dst change? Mine didn't change last night. Time has been right since it first set itself, so, I'm suspecting it's getting signal. ( We're in northern Michigan, eastern time zone.) Anyone else have a clock that missed dst

Re: [time-nuts] Bad TBolt Crashing LH?

2017-08-30 Thread Dan Kemppainen
Hi, Not to flood the list with traffic, but as this is probably an issue that many list members run into I'll speak up. FTDI has been very good. We've run everything from their very first chips through USB 3 hardware, and never had any problems. The TTL-232R series of cables are also very

Re: [time-nuts] GPS Antenna on Tower.

2017-06-19 Thread Dan Kemppainen
Hi Bob, So, what sorts of things are done for high precision survey work? I would guess a sturdy mount, good sky view, no reflections, good antenna, no nearby radiators, etc. Those all seem like common sense stuff. But for applications that really matter, what sorts of things might be

[time-nuts] GPS Antenna on Tower.

2017-06-16 Thread Dan Kemppainen
Hi All, Fair Warning: Nuts Mode Engaged. :) Recently we've moved to a new house and am in the process of getting the antennas back up for various things. One of these is the GPSDO(s), and an obvious location is somewhere on a Roan 25 tower set up just south of the house. At about half way

Re: [time-nuts] Antique precision timing device without, > electronics

2017-03-17 Thread Dan Kemppainen
This is all cool stuff, and neat to read about. What's the best (Most stable, most accurate, best adev, etc.) tuning fork oscillator made? What the lowest frequency tuning fork oscillator ever built? Was 1Hz ever achieved commercially? Fun stuff for Friday! Dan On 3/17/2017 12:00 PM,

Re: [time-nuts] Bye-Bye Crystals

2017-03-15 Thread Dan Kemppainen
Hi Bob, If one prototypes any crystal oscillator, and runs it on a bench. Then builds an 'oven' of sorts and runs it on the same bench. Would you expect to see any improvement? In other words for a given oscillator (crystal and electronics, etc), will there be any improvements in an oven

Re: [time-nuts] Autodesk Eagle -- maybe they're listening

2017-01-25 Thread Dan Kemppainen
Hi, OK, maybe off topic for this list. It'll be my first and last post on this. Spent some time on the phone with autodesk. Something interesting came out of the conversation. The autodesk rep said that he hasn't heard anything but positive feedback about the subscription licensing. (Yeah,

Re: [time-nuts] Temperature (environmental) sensors

2017-01-04 Thread Dan Kemppainen
Hi All, Just ordered a few of these BME280 sensor boards. Also ordered a FTDI C232HM cable to try to SPI or to bit-bang data from the board directly to the PC. If a PIC or similar is required, does anyone on the list have 16Bit PIC code (pic24/dsPIC) C code for reading these BME280 sensors

Re: [time-nuts] Switching regulator replacement for 7805

2016-12-05 Thread Dan Kemppainen
Depending on the application, another possible application is to sync up the DC/DC converter to the "main" clock source. This makes the switching noise then coherent to the system, which either makes it average out completely, or possible to filter it out in the digital domain using a deep

Re: [time-nuts] Switching regulator replacement for 7805

2016-12-05 Thread Dan Kemppainen
On 12/5/2016 12:00 PM, time-nuts-requ...@febo.com wrote: This is exactly the PWM to PFM mode switch I described earlier. The 850mA are probably high enough that the DC/DC converter works in PWM mode, thus switching with a constant frequency, even if the load changes. On the other hand 200mA

Re: [time-nuts] 1PPS to 32.768 khz

2016-10-19 Thread Dan Kemppainen
Hi, = If you want to go Tom's picDIV route, and are lazy like me, this is one of several boards available. https://oshpark.com/shared_projects/kXG6K5Xu You'll get several copies of the bard board for under $10. Few minutes stuffing it, and you'll have a working device... Dan Hi Lee,

Re: [time-nuts] time-nuts Digest, Vol 146, Issue 13

2016-09-06 Thread Dan Kemppainen
This may help. http://www.auberins.com/index.php?main_page=index=1 Look at: SYL-1512A (Or any of the others, really...) If you want to lock a temp down and use a light bulb or similar, this is a pretty cheap way to go. I've used them for large soldering irons, reptile incubators, and temp

Re: [time-nuts] Q/noise of Earth as an oscillator

2016-07-27 Thread Dan Kemppainen
On 7/27/2016 10:04 AM, time-nuts-requ...@febo.com wrote: Exciting the Earth with a new frequency (and an adeguate amount of energy) sets a new rotational speed: you cannot retune a (for example) quartz crystal in the same way... Sure you can. Spin it at 100 RPM, or 1000, RPM or even 25000

[time-nuts] frequency generation algorithm.

2016-06-28 Thread Dan Kemppainen
Hi, Quick question to the group, maybe slightly of topic. I'm looking for a quick and dirty algorithm or method to generate a pulse train at arbitrary frequencies based on a fixed clock source. This will be run as code in a timer ISR in a microcontroller, so some calculations can be done.

Re: [time-nuts] OT stuffing boards: was GPS interface/prototyping

2016-06-24 Thread Dan Kemppainen
I’ve been doing SMT assembly for 40 years. I have never ever seen anybody with a process that “just worked”. They all involve some amount of fine tuning and design optimization. Hi, Yep, The amount of tweaking required to get a good board build can be extensive. Part density, ground

[time-nuts] ADCs for phase noise measurement

2016-06-13 Thread Dan Kemppainen
The 2378-20 is a pretty nice ADC. I expect the 2368-24 to be good also. It should be easy to see at least -130dBfs noise floor with an FFT. Keep in mind supply rail noise, and REF voltage noise etc. That's a lot of resolution and bandwidth in one unit! The DC890B board appears to run an FTDI

[time-nuts] High rate, high precision/accuracy time interval, counter methods

2016-05-04 Thread Dan Kemppainen
Hi, I've looked at the higher end TDC from ACAM. They claim a 40Mhz data rate, with burst of 200Mhz max. However it wasn't clear what the maximum sustained rate would really be. Answers became a little obscure when pressed for maximum sustained data rates. Overall the chips weren't horribly

Re: [time-nuts] RG6 or LMR400 for GPS Antenna (Symmetricom, 58532Aand T-bolt)

2016-04-22 Thread Dan Kemppainen
On 4/22/2016 12:00 PM, time-nuts-requ...@febo.com wrote: On 4/21/16 6:03 PM, Tom Van Baak wrote: >Paul, > >If possible can you make an audio recording of a woodpecker attack? You know it's a form of 1pPS. >I'd like to add that data set to my list of ADEV plots. > I am sure, like almost all

[time-nuts] How to run Lady Heather under Windows10

2016-03-19 Thread Dan Kemppainen
Hi, Sorry, I have to speak up here. This fake stuff isn't "clone" FTDI hardware. It is counterfeit hardware. And it uses FTDI's VID illegally. FTDI should block counterfeit hardware from using their drivers. Making the assumption that the counterfeit junk will work, and putting blame on

Re: [time-nuts] PPS phase between two GPS units.

2015-12-23 Thread Dan Kemppainen
Hi all, Thanks for all the responses. The GPS units were swapped on the splitter ports, and the phase difference did in fact change. It changed from 21nS to around 5nS. Not exactly what was expected, although it would tend to indicate the RF path is not the same through the splitter. Last

Re: [time-nuts] time-nuts Digest, Vol 134, Issue 23

2015-09-23 Thread Dan Kemppainen
Hi Bob, I have a similar oscillator tied to a GPSDO that another list member is developing. I have not seen the EFC turn around! That's seems very unusual. If you are interested, I may be able to give you a plot of my EFC over the last ~3000 hours. Pretty boring decay curve, with the

Re: [time-nuts] HP10811 dual oven

2015-08-03 Thread Dan Kemppainen
Hi, If you search the internet, you should come across a design by Warren S. It's basically the same type of oven controller that is used in the internal oven for that oscillator. I did a surface mount version of his design a while back. I've been running it for quite a while now. IMO it is

Re: [time-nuts] Performance of 74LVC series ICs

2015-06-09 Thread Dan Kemppainen
Hi Dan, 74LVC1G80. See: http://www.ti.com/lit/ds/symlink/sn74lvc1g80.pdf Might be worth looking at. Dan On 6/9/2015 4:24 AM, time-nuts-requ...@febo.com wrote: Let's say I have a 20MHz TCXO. I want to square up the output signal and divide by two. Easy, just a buffer or inverter and a flip

Re: [time-nuts] New ± 1 sec in 100 days mech clock

2015-04-22 Thread Dan Kemppainen
Hi, In all reality, achieving these results without decades of experience is probably unlikely. That said, are the specific plans available or published anywhere? Is is possible that someone willing to build and tinker could make a 'functional' copy of this unit? I would guess that not all

Re: [time-nuts] 50 ohm Driver

2015-03-04 Thread Dan Kemppainen
Hi, Correct me if I'm wrong but being that AC series gates are MOS devices, isn't there inherent current limiting in the MOS junction itself? I would think that for the few nanoseconds of skew across gates the tens of ohms of junction resistance would make 'shoot through' negligible in terms

Re: [time-nuts] 1 PPS Correction Problem using DS1123LE-50, Delay Line

2015-02-04 Thread Dan Kemppainen
Martyn, In working with a 6T receiver we have noticed that sometimes the reported offset correction is not correct. These instances appear to be infrequent, and have only been noted as a single instance at a time. For example you will occasionally get a -10.2nS correction when you should get

Re: [time-nuts] Ublox 6T receiver, noisy PPS.

2015-01-19 Thread Dan Kemppainen
Hi All, I'll respond to all here, since I'm a little slow at times... John, This unit has been up and running for at least a month. I've restarted the GPSDO a few times, but the GPS has remained on. So, if your unit is up for extended periods of time and you see something similar, please

Re: [time-nuts] Fwd: CGSIC: FW: New NANU 2014090

2014-12-17 Thread Dan Kemppainen
Not sure if this is quite the right platform, but for someone wanting to experiment it may be worth a look... https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/swiftnav/piksi-the-rtk-gps-receiver http://www.swiftnav.com/piksi.html Dan Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2014 16:01:28 -0800 From: Jim

Re: [time-nuts] Linear voltage regulator hints...

2014-12-09 Thread Dan Kemppainen
Hi All, Thanks for the responses. I had a feeling the answer wouldn't be good, but was hoping someone would have a suggestion. There are currently a bunch of regulators in the 'system'. If there were some really good regulator out there, the shotgun approach would apply... Of course it is

[time-nuts] Linear voltage regulator hints...

2014-12-08 Thread Dan Kemppainen
Hi, In playing with some oscillators and a GPSDO here, I think I'm seeing a voltage sensitivity issue. So, I started looking at the output voltage of various regulators vs. temp. Using standard LM/UA type linear regulators and some LDO's, they all appear to be pretty sensitive to

[time-nuts] HP10811 Double oven, oven jump?

2014-11-26 Thread Dan Kemppainen
Hi All, I've been playing with some double oven HP10811's. I've been monitoring the internal oven feedback vs. temperature and noticed something interesting last night. There was a sudden step change in internal oven feedback voltage. This is the voltage coming from the amplifier monitoring

Re: [time-nuts] Yokogawa TA320 Time Interval Analyzer

2014-10-07 Thread Dan Kemppainen
Yokogawa has been around for quite some time. They make some very nice self contained data recorders and data acquisition systems. Think of high resolution oscilloscopes with 8 or 10 channels and large hard drives for data storage. They have interchangeable amplifiers, for thermocouples or voltage

Re: [time-nuts] How long do ovens take to cool to ambient, after power is removed?

2014-10-03 Thread Dan Kemppainen
Hi All, Considering this old stuff was that good, what's the best that's currently available now? How does that compare to the best that's ever been? Dan On 10/3/2014 7:19 AM, time-nuts-requ...@febo.com wrote: Tom, Nice performance. Wish we could get that today! My fairly modern BVA is

Re: [time-nuts] OCXO Voltage Input? (Bob Camp)

2014-09-05 Thread Dan Kemppainen
Hi Bob, Being relatively new to this 'high end' time stuff, there's lots to learn... So, how much bandwidth might a typical OCXO have on the EFC pin? My assumption is that it is very low, but I have nothing to back that up. If I had 10Mhz or some other high frequency on the EFC line, would a

Re: [time-nuts] OCXO Voltage Input? (Bob Camp)

2014-09-05 Thread Dan Kemppainen
Tom, Awesome! Thanks! Section 2-14. Since noise on the EFC line affects the oscillator's stability (noise appears as FM on the output) care must be taken to ensure that a relatively noise free EFC... I was thinking the Varactor had be tied to the crystal, which only makes sense. So, the bottom

[time-nuts] OCXO Voltage Input?

2014-09-04 Thread Dan Kemppainen
Hi all, I have an PTI OCXO. The trimming voltage is two pins, with a maximum of 6.8VDC across the pins. They specify using a 20K pot as the adjustment mechanism. However, I hope to use this thing in a closed loop, and will be driving it with an active device. What got me thinking is if the

Re: [time-nuts] GPS antenna in snowy environment (was:, LEA-6T, Software.)

2014-08-29 Thread Dan Kemppainen
Björn and Tom, Thanks for the links. It helps visualize things a lot! Our snow was unusually weird last year. It stuck on everything, any stick larger than a pencil had at least basket ball sized hunks of snow on it. That's probably a worst case scenario, tho. Joe, OK on the study of snow. It's

Re: [time-nuts] GPS antenna in snowy environment (was: LEA-6T, Software.)

2014-08-28 Thread Dan Kemppainen
Björn, Can you provide links to some examples? A picture or two would be great! Attila, Almost all the snow we get accumulates. However it does settle, even then by mid February it's not unusual to see 4 or 5 feet on the ground... However, that raises a good questions, in terms of cones and

[time-nuts] LEA-6T Software.

2014-08-25 Thread Dan Kemppainen
Hi All, Just purchased a LEA-6T based board to play with (It's a Synergy Systems SSR-6Tru). The Ublox web site has some documentation regarding the setup of these units. In the documentation are some screenshots of what appears to be a utility for configuration. I haven't seen it on the Ublox web

Re: [time-nuts] Ublox neo-7M GPS

2014-08-21 Thread Dan Kemppainen
FYI. It is still available. Don't have it in hand yet, but one was ordered just a few days ago... Dan On 8/21/2014 6:34 AM, time-nuts-requ...@febo.com wrote: One example is Synergy Systems' SSR-6Tr if it's still available. It was announced, and discussed on this list, in 2012 but it still

Re: [time-nuts] temperature sensor

2014-07-22 Thread Dan Kemppainen
For what it's worth: One possible source is through GE Thermometrics. They used to be Just Thermometrics bug GE bought them. The offer calibrated thermistors (At leas they used to offer calibration), with AB and C vales stated. Not sure what the costs are, but they make some pretty nice

Re: [time-nuts] Pti OCXO...

2014-07-09 Thread Dan Kemppainen
This is a 10Mhz osc, so good for a few things. As far as I can tell, it has an input for adjustment, so I was hanging onto it for an oscillator for a GPSDO project some day. It's about a 1.5 by 1.5 metal can, and since bigger is better I was hoping it was good! :) I don't really have any way to

[time-nuts] Pti OCXO...

2014-07-08 Thread Dan Kemppainen
Hi All, Was looking through my basement the other evening, and ran across an OCXO I have laying on the bench. I was wondering if any of you may have information regarding this unit, or have used it in the past. It's an Pti XO5009. It cam from a Harris TV transmitter exciter. I believe it was the

Re: [time-nuts] GPSDO standard interface?

2014-06-27 Thread Dan Kemppainen
http://www.ftdichip.com/Products/ICs/VNC1L.htm On 6/26/2014 3:39 PM, time-nuts-requ...@febo.com wrote: USB may be a common interface to a computer but practically useless to another microcontroller. Everything can do serial but not everything can do USB master. In the worst case, use a

[time-nuts] Frequency of LC Tank.

2014-04-11 Thread Dan Kemppainen
Hi all, I'm thinking about an upcoming project, if this is off topic please disregard or contact me off list. :) I have a large LC tank, with a very lossy inductor. Being driven by a pulse width push pull driver, that is digitally controlled. The driver circuit will couple through a N:1

Re: [time-nuts] Acam TDC's

2014-04-07 Thread Dan Kemppainen
I looked into one of the high end units for a project. From what I recall, the resolution was high. The problem for me was the continuous throughput was not there. I was looking at making around 30 to 40 million measurements per second. As I recall, it it could burst at that, but not sustain it.

Re: [time-nuts] Acam TDC's

2014-04-07 Thread Dan Kemppainen
At which resolution do you wish to get 40Msps? Tell me the single-shot jitter figure. So far we had only several ksps of throughput in our TDC circuit, but the bottleneck lies within a computer interface. Anyway, it is not an easy task to get some 200MB/s into the computer in a sustained

Re: [time-nuts] Hanging bridge question

2014-03-27 Thread Dan Kemppainen
Some people say: HP = High Price Sorry, couldn't resist! :) On 3/26/2014 6:10 PM, time-nuts-requ...@febo.com wrote: Message: 3 Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2014 17:47:36 -0400 From: Bob Camp li...@rtty.us To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement time-nuts@febo.com Subject: Re:

Re: [time-nuts] PLL Math Question

2014-03-14 Thread Dan Kemppainen
Bob, Just been reading along, enjoying the conversation... I've written a lot of hand coded assembly. Some of it very similar to what you are doing here now. (Although, a different processor family) I really didn't want to switch to C for anything, since code generated is 'bloated'. That being

[time-nuts] The pendulum problem...

2014-01-31 Thread Dan Kemppainen
Not know much about the clock in question... ...how about replacing the weight and cable with an endless cable and motor to constantly 'pull' on the thing... You might have to remove a few parts, but may be able to make the changes so you can always restore the clock to original condition

Re: [time-nuts] PICPET- was Affordable (cheap) COTS (etc)

2014-01-24 Thread Dan Kemppainen
The SX was/is a great chip. (I still use them on a near daily basis) Troubled history, though. This is part of why Parallax developed the Propeller. The premise behind the propeller, is that it is based on the Virtual Peripherals of the SX. You simulate peripherals by having interrupt code

[time-nuts] Crude Survey Technique

2013-11-22 Thread Dan Kemppainen
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Re: [time-nuts] Maxim DS1342

2013-11-12 Thread Dan Kemppainen
The microchip pics on the bench here actually have the oscillators in them for the 32Khz xtal. That is, the gain and feedback to make the crystal run are in them. All that is needed is some capacitance to ground. This is why the SOSC (Secondary Oscillator) uses two pins. You can also use a single

Re: [time-nuts] Trimble 34310-T EFC Question

2013-11-10 Thread Dan Kemppainen
FYI, if you are measuring the voltage with a fluke or similar meters, I've seen them throw a lot of noise onto a signal line. In many cases we've had to put an RC filter coming from the fluke to block the noise from the meter getting into the circuit! Also, you aren't running a KW Ham transmitter

[time-nuts] 32.768Khz Crystal/Resonator suggestions.

2013-11-01 Thread Dan Kemppainen
Hi all, I've got a project upcoming that will require a frequency of 32.768 Khz in a harsh environment (Imagine a thousand G's at 100Hz with 150 Deg C temperatures). Also, this thing needs to be small, 2mmx1.5x1.5mm or so. It also has to be low power. Frequency stability is probably less of a

Re: [time-nuts] FTS 4060 Cesium Time Frequency Standard, Datum

2013-10-04 Thread Dan Kemppainen
On 10/2/2013 10:34 PM, time-nuts-requ...@febo.com wrote: Hi guys, I am going to pull it apart this weekend and do some more exploring. Hope to get some pictures for reference. I think I will make up some extender cables so I can operate the CBT assembly away from the main chassis.

[time-nuts] SDR Radio Opinion- Next Question... (Burt I. Weiner)

2013-08-07 Thread Dan Kemppainen
I don't think the state of the art is exceeding the need. Because by nature that is part of what ham radio is. Experimentation is part of the game. Nothing wrong with appliance operators, if one chooses to be that. There are plenty of appliance radios out there. SDR just may not be there yet. Of

[time-nuts] Spectrum Analyzer Suggestions

2013-07-15 Thread Dan Kemppainen
ARRL did a review of a brand new Rigol spectrum analyzer. (Don't remember the model # off hand). But for about $1500,you get an analyzer about the size of the small modern scopes, with warranty. The review wasn't bad, but the unit had a few minor quirks. Depending on your application it may work

Re: [time-nuts] time-nuts Digest, Vol 108, Issue 55

2013-07-10 Thread Dan Kemppainen
On 7/10/2013 11:35 AM, time-nuts-requ...@febo.com wrote: Public perceptions of risk change with time. In WWII, Radium dial watches, aircraft instruments, dial and switch markings, were ubiquitous. But so were explosives, bombs, bayonettes, and a bunch of other things. So people didn't have

[time-nuts] High Accuracy Averaging Was: Speaking of Costas loops

2013-07-03 Thread Dan Kemppainen
On 7/2/2013 5:07 PM, time-nuts-requ...@febo.com wrote: On the other hand, i know a guy who does sub-cm positioning with unmodified LEA6-T, by logging their satelite phase data and heavy post processing over hours of data and comparing it to a neaby basline of two stations with known

Re: [time-nuts] Glonass Payload lost... (Rob Kimberley)

2013-07-02 Thread Dan Kemppainen
Note to self, Not getting on any Russian made rockets any time soon. At least the rockets were unmanned, and hopefully no one on the ground was hurt! Sounds like this isn't the first time this happened, and it isn't the first time they lost three Glonass birds. Wonder how much money was lost in

Re: [time-nuts] Good (cheap) PIC chip choice for project?

2013-05-28 Thread Dan Kemppainen
I can recommend the Pic24/dspic33 series chips. I spent a bunch of time looking at different options, and ended up with the pic family. There are a lot of really nice micros out there now. Not like years ago. The Pic's aren't the fastest chips out there, they aren't the newest chips out there,

[time-nuts] Net4501's cheap...

2013-05-24 Thread Dan Kemppainen
This may be way off topic, but the inrush current problem is probably with devices not meeting the USB specification. As it turns out, a lot of low end devices do not meet this spec. I spent some time redesigning the power supply system of one such device I was using. This time was covered by

Re: [time-nuts] Measuring Phase diference between different, GPSDO

2013-05-20 Thread Dan Kemppainen
Try Stabilant. http://www.amazon.com/Stabilant-5ml-Kit-Makes-30ml/dp/B001E50GQS I have no affiliation with this product. I've used it to fix intermittent connections that drove me crazy. It's not a contact cleaner, and you'll have to read the details to understand what it does. It's also

Re: [time-nuts] Win XP and NIST time

2013-03-27 Thread Dan Kemppainen
Good explanation. I guessed, since the list is time nuts I assumed real time in reference to an OS would be understood. :) My bad. Because windows is not a real time operating system (RTOS), I lack seeing the purpose in getting the windows clock synchronized to within microseconds or

Re: [time-nuts] Win XP and NIST time

2013-03-27 Thread Dan Kemppainen
On 3/27/2013 2:54 PM, time-nuts-requ...@febo.com wrote: Then all bets are off if you have a CPU that runs at variable speed if you want the result to be actual time. I think that got fixed on newer CPU chips. I don't know when. Another interesting problem in that area is that the temperature

Re: [time-nuts] Win XP and NIST time

2013-03-26 Thread Dan Kemppainen
On 3/26/2013 2:43 AM, time-nuts-requ...@febo.com wrote: albertson.ch...@gmail.com said: I think you can get Windows to run at the few milliseconds of error range with the standard NTP distribution. I don't think I've seen anything that bad, but it's easy to be off by 100s of ms if I download

Re: [time-nuts] time-nuts Digest, Vol 104, Issue 80

2013-03-25 Thread Dan Kemppainen
Let's get everyone on the same page: http://www.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/endofsupport.aspx Also, do we all have the latest updates? That being said even with all the updates, my daughter missed the bus this AM, because my WinXP machine said it was 7:01 am EST, when in fact my phone told me

Re: [time-nuts] Win XP and NIST time

2013-03-25 Thread Dan Kemppainen
Because, up until today, windows time did what I needed it to do. It may still, if the fault turns out to be network related. In reality, it's more software to learn to administer, and setup and run on bunch of PC's. As a time nut, I know exactly how much time I need for all of my other

Re: [time-nuts] Logging the grid frequency....

2013-02-28 Thread Dan Kemppainen
On 2/28/2013 11:37 AM, time-nuts-requ...@febo.com wrote: About the difficulty of measuring every cycle with a conventional counter... thanks for that info, seems that i?ll have to make my own measurement hardware. I liked the idea of a time stamping counter it?s very doable in a FPGA:) At

Re: [time-nuts] Possibly off topic - Jitter on Ethernet over

2013-02-11 Thread Dan Kemppainen
On 2/11/2013 10:35 AM, time-nuts-requ...@febo.com wrote: It is unlikely to add much noise. The PoE device only puts a DC bias on the twisted pair. The data signal is differential. It is transformer couple to is pretty much is immune to common mode noise. So even iif the DC bias was noisy I

[time-nuts] Nifty MINI TIC for DMTD

2013-02-08 Thread Dan Kemppainen
We do 0603 and 0402 with IC's at .5mm lead spacing all day long. Under stereo zoom, it's not an issue. We have 50+ year old techs who build this stuff all day... We have one of these on every bench. At around $700 new for the 3x to 90x Zoom it's not bad. But may be prohibitive for home use. I

Re: [time-nuts] time-nuts Digest, Vol 103, Issue 14

2013-02-05 Thread Dan Kemppainen
Juts an FYI. I thought fiber was lightning proof also. As it turns out the fiber used by phone companies has copper tracers in it for location purposes (Without metal it's hard to find where it's buried). This in turn causes lightning strikes to cut fiber fairly often. I wouldn't have though

Re: [time-nuts] GPS at 60,000 feet

2013-02-01 Thread Dan Kemppainen
I was just surprised it locked at that speed. I figured a handheld unit would not be able to lock at that speed. Looking back on it now, it makes sense it shouldn't have too much trouble. (Once I learned it worked I started to ask about the GPS more. If you ask politely, a lot of times they

Re: [time-nuts] GPS at 60,000 feet

2013-01-31 Thread Dan Kemppainen
I know for sure my handheld Garmin works at 27000 feet, at 530mph... ...I was actually surprised it worked up there. It made me wonder what the actual limits are. On 1/30/2013 12:00 PM, time-nuts-requ...@febo.com wrote: How to check if a GPS works at 60,000 feet: send up a balloon:

[time-nuts] One Kg Quartz Resonator

2013-01-23 Thread Dan Kemppainen
On 1/22/2013 8:25 PM, time-nuts-requ...@febo.com wrote: Interestingly, this experiment may also become the first time we ever needed to know PI better than 355/113 outside abstract mathematics. Good thing this is easy now. It took a long TIME, but I ran PI out to 80 billion points using a

Re: [time-nuts] An embedded NTP server

2013-01-02 Thread Dan Kemppainen
On 1/1/2013 4:58 PM, time-nuts-requ...@febo.com wrote: True story: Many years ago when the very first ARM silicon arrived and they started testing it, it was generally execeeding expectations but a little bit flakey at high clock rates. After the bubbly had been drunk and hangovers subdued,

[time-nuts] Timing between two GPS PPS outputs.

2012-12-28 Thread Dan Kemppainen
Hi all, I've been following this list with some interest, and have a question about two individual timing GPS units PPS outputs. Let's assume that the timing GPS units are identical units, say two SSR-6t's for example. If I take these two units and fire them up next to each other off of the

Re: [time-nuts] To use or not to use transmission line, splitters for GPS receivers

2012-10-10 Thread Dan Kemppainen
On 10/10/2012 8:00 AM, time-nuts-requ...@febo.com wrote: albertson.ch...@gmail.com said: The satellites are in 12 hour orbits. Everything repeats every 12 hours. But the sun is on a 24 hr. period and if you did two 12 hour tests you don't want to do one at night and one in day. So start

Re: [time-nuts] Z3801 Replacement GPS Receiver Card

2012-09-18 Thread Dan Kemppainen
On 9/17/2012 6:03 PM, time-nuts-requ...@febo.com wrote: OK, you can test a VP Oncore GPS receiver alone if you have a mean to translate the TTL serial port to a regular RS232 for the PC. This can be done with a MAX232 chip (or equivalent). Then the pinout (refer to the FYI, I've had really

Re: [time-nuts] time-nuts Digest, Vol 98, Issue 77

2012-09-18 Thread Dan Kemppainen
On 9/18/2012 1:48 PM, time-nuts-requ...@febo.com wrote: In the old CRT type TV sets, the phosphor has some persistence. Movies are modulated with a square waves, the frame blinks off and goes dark then blinks on. But the LED's brightness is fast enough to track the sine wave and would be

[time-nuts] RE; New Wrist watch

2012-09-14 Thread Dan Kemppainen
On 9/14/2012 8:00 AM, time-nuts-requ...@febo.com wrote: For those of you interested in timing mechanical clocks or watches, a wonderful site to visit is: http://www.bmumford.com/microset.html /tvb So, does this unit include an input for a external reference? I would be interested in

Re: [time-nuts] Fedex Was Be aware of test equipment seller

2012-09-12 Thread Dan Kemppainen
On 9/11/2012 9:43 PM, time-nuts-requ...@febo.com wrote: Given a choice, I always go USPS to my PO Box. It is fast and cheap. The PO Box takes a day or two off the delivery and one less carrier to ruin the shipment. I used to do this a lot. Then the USPS delivered one of my packages to the

[time-nuts] Need usb time interval time for portable bullet chronograph

2012-08-28 Thread Dan Kemppainen
On 8/27/2012 6:15 PM, time-nuts-requ...@febo.com wrote: I got an old Meinberg GPS, with an analogue integrating single-channel receiver, and put at a friends appartment. Still works great, after me convincing it about a new location. It has two time-tagging inputs, so you can get UTC

Re: [time-nuts] Need usb time interval time for portable bullet chrongraph

2012-08-27 Thread Dan Kemppainen
However, since we are all nuts here, adding a GPSDO coulnt' hurt. (Usually you shoot outside, so access to the sky should be easy!) Then you'd also know position, which could be useful in accounting for numerous other thing like coriolis acceleration, gravity due to elevation, and gravity

Re: [time-nuts] Phase modulation detection/NIST plan

2012-07-16 Thread Dan Kemppainen
More importantly, how many things don't really need a clock to begin with! :) Every piece of equipment in our house shows a different time. I wouldn't complain if they all automatically adjusted. My current solution is to just stop looking at the clocks, and it's amazing how much easier life

Re: [time-nuts] time-nuts Digest, Vol 94, Issue 120

2012-05-23 Thread Dan Kemppainen
I've had really good luck with anything based on the FTDI chip set. Other chip sets have given me problems... Dan On 5/22/2012 6:37 PM, time-nuts-requ...@febo.com wrote: I have yet to be happy with any USB to serial conversion in legacy applications. They always end up less than transparent

Re: [time-nuts] Clocks for Audio gear

2012-05-10 Thread Dan Kemppainen
One interesting note however. Years ago we had a standard old 4040 ripple counter in our shop that displayed a low occurrence of jitter of several times it's input frequency period at it's lowest frequency output (Sort of what you are describing below). I wish I had the numbers handy, but the

Re: [time-nuts] Clocks for Audio gear

2012-05-10 Thread Dan Kemppainen
Don't forget the human mind can compensate for a lot of things. Think of how we can triangulate a sound source in realtime even with the included echos in a small room. The only thing that I can think of that messes with that system is a single tone setting up standing waves. It's impressive

Re: [time-nuts] PICTIC II ready-made?

2012-04-26 Thread Dan Kemppainen
I have a friend who builds and sells power supply units that I designed. He may be interested in building some of these. If I had to guess, he'd be willing to build units and sell them on his web site. Who owns the IP for this project? Maybe we could get some input or direction... Contact

Re: [time-nuts] time-nuts Digest, Vol 93, Issue 96

2012-04-18 Thread Dan Kemppainen
Wouldn't get broken if you hand carried it. I've carried on similar equipment when flying across the US. I'm guessing you may not have to check it for an internationl flight... Dan On 4/18/2012 8:03 AM, time-nuts-requ...@febo.com wrote: Almost worth flying to NYC for the weekend from

Re: [time-nuts] Chinese Scopes

2012-04-16 Thread Dan Kemppainen
I'd have a hard time doing a lot of what I do with an analog scope. I have a lot of logic running at high frequency, and find myself triggering on single pulse events that happen infrequently. The advanced triggering options of digital scopes make seeing these events possible. Just the pulse

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