Re: [time-nuts] optically excite a quartz crystal?

2014-04-21 Thread J. Forster
No. There is just a little rectangular quartz wafer. No plating. In fact, post WWII, when many ham transmitters were 'rock bound' (ie: crystal conteolled) it was common pratice to regrind mil surplus rystals to move them into the ham banda. Apparently, some were also etched using a cleanser

Re: [time-nuts] optically excite a quartz crystal?

2014-04-21 Thread J. Forster
to the government. Ammonium bi-flouride and water was the most common etchant in that era. There are a number of papers about the whole deal in the FCS, and many stories told by those who were part of the changes. Bob On Apr 21, 2014, at 10:10 AM, J. Forster j...@quikus.com wrote: No. There is just

Re: [time-nuts] Software for use HP 82350B gpib card.

2014-04-14 Thread J. Forster
FWIW, the HP GPIB cards are only really useful with a complete HP system that runs HP special software in a complete computer controlled instrument. If that is not your intent, get a NI or compatible card. It'll be far easier in the long run. YMMV, -John === Hi, I need

Re: [time-nuts] Frequency of LC Tank.

2014-04-11 Thread J. Forster
At resonance, an LC looks pure resistive. For a parallel LC, sample the voltage across the LC and the drive current, and tweek the frequency until they are in-phase. For a series LC, sample the voltage across the L or C and tweek as above. If you want to do it analog, dither the frequency a

Re: [time-nuts] Frequency of LC Tank.

2014-04-11 Thread J. Forster
That's why you want to look for the phase of the tank impedance. The phase goes through zero at resonance. It is far more precise. The steepness of the phase v. frequency plot is steep w/ a high Q circuit... flatter w/ a low Q tank. Either way, it does go through zero at resonance. The phase v.

[time-nuts] New England Ham - Electronic Flea Market Dates * April * update]

2014-04-04 Thread J. Forster
Original Message Subject: [BARC-List] [Flea@MIT] New England Ham - Electronic Flea Market Dates * April * update From:New England Area Ham - Electronic Flea Market f...@mit.edu Date:Thu, April 3, 2014 3:05 pm To: f...@mit.edu

Re: [time-nuts] Airraft Ping Timing

2014-03-25 Thread J. Forster
Yes, and there was an early military positioning system, roughly 1960s / 1970s that worked on Dopplar also. The name escapes me at the moment. -John = This is how ELT locating satellites work (when not relaying the newer GPS data bursts). Several on another list I watch

Re: [time-nuts] Airraft Ping Timing

2014-03-25 Thread J. Forster
Could well be. I never saw the bird, of course. The portable ground station was roughly the same size as an OD Manpak radio of the period and read out Lat/Long on LED digital readouts. In retrospect, it may have been in the early 1980s. -John == Hi, Yes, and there was an early

Re: [time-nuts] Airraft Ping Timing

2014-03-25 Thread J. Forster
Certainly, if it's a bent-pipe repeater, that makes extracting the Dopplar a whole lot easier. Furthermore, since it's unlikely that the missing plane was the only signal, you can essentially do a differential Dopplar measurement against other sorces, stationary or moving in a know trajectory.

[time-nuts] Airraft Ping Timing

2014-03-24 Thread J. Forster
According to a report on FOX, INMARSAT was able to determine the Malasia Air followed the southern traectory from the Dopplar of the pings. They verified their model by tracking other planes. -John = ___ time-nuts mailing list --

Re: [time-nuts] Aircraft ping timing

2014-03-22 Thread J. Forster
I'm not so sure it is worth much as parts, except possibly on the black market. I believe the aircraft industry is big on tracking every part, cradle to grave. After all an under spec bolt can cause a very expensive crash. YMMV, -John == In retrospect it is kind of crazy

Re: [time-nuts] Aircraft ping timing

2014-03-19 Thread J. Forster
It depends on how accurately the bird can measure the round-trip time: 1 us = ca 500' 10 us = ca 1 mile 100us = ca 10 miles 1 ms = ca 100 miles The arcs are loci of constant round trip time, projected on the globe. -John === My question was on what would be the expected

Re: [time-nuts] 3.0GHz Channel 3 installation in Agilent 53132A counter

2014-03-18 Thread J. Forster
Jim, You were looking for a 0 Ohm resistor. Sometimes HP did not, in fact, insert a 0 Ohm resistor component in later revs of some PCBs. They just added the default 0 Ohmers in etch, between two vias. Then, if someone wanted to open the link, the etch was cut. I guess it saved a couple of

Re: [time-nuts] LORAN C 89700 on the air starting Monday

2014-03-01 Thread J. Forster
Paul, Do you know if this is a prelude to continuous service? -John === Wildwood will be on air from approximately 1400 on 02 March until 1400 on 04 March Regards Paul WB8TSL ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To

[time-nuts] New England Ham - Electronic Fleamarket Dates * March * update]

2014-03-01 Thread J. Forster
New England Area Ham - Electronic Flea Market *** DATES *** 2014 P 1 of 2 All events are Ham Radio/ Electronic related except ~_~ *** 2014Contact

Re: [time-nuts] New WWVB modulation format receivers

2014-02-22 Thread J. Forster
Carrier extraction by squareing does not work well at all in a high noise environment. The BPSK limits the narowness of the IF BW. If you rule out modelling the data stream, and phase switching the signal before the IF, you have to go w/ something like a Costas Loop. -John =

Re: [time-nuts] software-defined WWVB receivers

2014-02-22 Thread J. Forster
I was monitoring WWVB against a good local standard and evaluating 60kHz 'seeing' 30 years ago. Sometimes it is beautifully quiet, after a storm front went through as I remember, at other times it's absolute hash... to the point that the HP 117A would not even hold lock. -John =

Re: [time-nuts] WWVB antennas

2014-02-22 Thread J. Forster
I doubt that a 'fractal antenna' is going to do very well at 60 kHz in a size small enough to fit in a wrist watch. YMMV, -John == Google 'fractal antenna'.  Fractal Antennas are a relatively recent (late 1980's to mid-1990's) discovery/invention.  I have read that they are

Re: [time-nuts] WWVB antennas

2014-02-22 Thread J. Forster
You are about 1/4 the distance away. Inverse square law. -John === On 2/21/14, 2:21 PM, Robert Roehrig wrote: John Forster said: WWVB is hard to detect w/ a 3-foot diameter HP shielded loop w/ integral preamp 2 stages of mechanical filters. (HP 117A). The other half of

Re: [time-nuts] New WWVB modulation format receivers (NOT)

2014-02-21 Thread J. Forster
Well, I used to be able to see LORAN pulses w/ a 3-inch diameter loop and a Tek 7000-series 'scope. WWVB is hard to detect w/ a 3-foot diameter HP shielded loop w/ integral preamp 2 stages of mechanical filters. (HP 117A). The other half ogf the time it was undetectable. Paul S uses a loop that

Re: [time-nuts] New WWVB modulation format receivers (NOT)

2014-02-21 Thread J. Forster
500 GHz ? Really? How? Even counting 100 GHz is pushing it. You mean MHz, no? -John == Well if we are talking about $50 then you have my attention. No I am not afraid to use a soldering iron.  Amateur radio is not my main interest here.  I have the same compulsion many of

Re: [time-nuts] New WWVB modulation format receivers (NOT)

2014-02-20 Thread J. Forster
Paul Swed posted a working, mostly analog, design here maybe 6 months ago. -John = Am Wed, 19 Feb 2014 22:45:56 -0800 schrieb Richard (Rick) Karlquist rich...@karlquist.com: On 2/19/2014 9:10 PM, John Marvin wrote: I guess my question is who has the right to grant exclusive

Re: [time-nuts] New WWVB modulation format receivers (NOT)

2014-02-20 Thread J. Forster
At least on the Atlantic coast, the WWVB signal levels jump all over the place, certainly 40 dB and maybe more. If a receiver cannot deal w/ that w/o losing lock, it's nearly useless. OTOH, LORAN was always a whopping signal. -John Chuck thats easy. Because I could make it

Re: [time-nuts] New WWVB modulation format receivers (NOT)

2014-02-20 Thread J. Forster
for that in the fr front end actually. Regards Paul On Thu, Feb 20, 2014 at 4:34 PM, J. Forster j...@quikus.com wrote: At least on the Atlantic coast, the WWVB signal levels jump all over the place, certainly 40 dB and maybe more. If a receiver cannot deal w/ that w/o losing lock, it's nearly useless

Re: [time-nuts] New WWVB modulation format receivers (NOT)

2014-02-19 Thread J. Forster
Wouldn't that be nice! They implement a new format which destroys much of the installed infrastructure, then don't actually produce the 'better replacement'. How very LORAN! -John == It may be true that WWVB is sending out a new format, but the receivers for it don't seem

Re: [time-nuts] Now For Something Completely Different...GPS Security

2014-02-14 Thread J. Forster
You should not denigrate PhotoMultiplier tubes. They are virtually perfect, almost noiseless, detectors. With the right photocathode, they are capable of QEs 50%, spectral response from the VUV to near IR, and dark counts 1 PPS, with maximum count rates 10 MPPS. Thay can easily have current gains

Re: [time-nuts] Now For Something Completely Different...GPS Security

2014-02-14 Thread J. Forster
, 2014 at 7:45 AM, J. Forster j...@quikus.com wrote: You should not denigrate PhotoMultiplier tubes. They are virtually perfect, almost noiseless, detectors. With the right photocathode, they are capable of QEs 50%, spectral response from the VUV to near IR, and dark counts 1 PPS

Re: [time-nuts] How to open solder-sealed OCXOs?

2014-02-02 Thread J. Forster
IMO, the easiest way (non-destructive too!0 is with a high wattage iron or 250 W gun, solder wick or a solder sucker, and an X-Acto knife. Start in the middle of one side. Heat the joint area and suck out as much of the solder from the joint area as you can. Slip the knife in the joint and pry

Re: [time-nuts] How to open solder-sealed OCXOs?

2014-02-02 Thread J. Forster
you want to make a smooth fillet. Eutectic solders have a single melt temperature, with no slush zone, and as such they are either fully melted, or not. They don't thicken and build like non-eutectic solder (60/40) -Chuck Harris J. Forster wrote: IMO, the easiest way (non-destructive too

[time-nuts] WARNING: MALWARE LINK Re: RE(1): shack

2014-01-29 Thread J. Forster
MALWARE LINK. -John http://conseilax.u.info.bro.html ---=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-- From: B Riches 1/29/2014 9:58:05 PM ___ time-nuts mailing list --

Re: [time-nuts] Mini Circuits RF TX question

2014-01-28 Thread J. Forster
Corby, I'd email or call mini-circuits. -John == Hi, Does anyone know where to find the primary inductance value for Mini Circuits RF Transformers? I need to know so I can pick one to resonate with a particular capacitor at 5Mhz. Thanks, Corby

Re: [time-nuts] fast edge, rise time.

2013-12-26 Thread J. Forster
Can you say more about your application? What does your load look like? What pulse shape? There are well-known solutiuons for most problems. As Jim said, a lot depends on the energy you need per pulse. What works for a few mJ will not work for MJ BTW, SCRs probably switch a lot faster than

Re: [time-nuts] fast edge, rise time.

2013-12-26 Thread J. Forster
There are very fast pulsers, some in NIM, that use a charged coax line and Hg relay to calibrate Pulse Height analyzers. The line length sets the pulse length; the charging voltage, the pulse height. -John Years ago I had a cousin who ran a civilian calibration lab. For

Re: [time-nuts] fast edge, rise time.

2013-12-26 Thread J. Forster
Are only the amplitude and rep rate variable, or do you vary the width too? -John = Many thanks to all for the nice tips. I may narrow down by saying a few more specs as suggested. The pulse would see a somehow unknown load but for a start I was suggested to have my source

Re: [time-nuts] No E-mails

2013-12-19 Thread J. Forster
The server has appeared to be spastic at times, suddenly sending out a burst of messages, some new, some old, interspersed by nothing. YMMV, -John Hi, seems to me that the server is OK but minimum activity from the people. Rgds Ernie. -Original Message-

Re: [time-nuts] MS3106R10SL-4S connector question

2013-12-10 Thread J. Forster
in the third picture.  It's almost like it has something to do with the rubber strain relief/enviro shield, but I dunno what. Bob From: J. Forster j...@quikus.com To: Bob Stewart b...@evoria.net; Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement time-nuts

Re: [time-nuts] MS3106R10SL-4S connector question

2013-12-10 Thread J. Forster
If you are using both wires of a two-pin connector the question is moot. There are exquisitely detailed docs on connector assembly out there, both from the manufacturers and agencies like NASA. They include everything from tool settings, proper locators, to assembly torques. IMO, unless you are

Re: [time-nuts] Hp5061A K15 distribution amp

2013-12-09 Thread J. Forster
Is this a rebadged 5087A? -John 10 MHz 6 output amps, 1 input amp. Matches 5061A Cs standard. fs, contact me off list please. Don -- The power of accurate observation is commonly called cynicism by those who have not got it. -George Bernard Shaw -- Dr. Don Latham AJ7LL

Re: [time-nuts] MS3106R10SL-4S connector question

2013-12-09 Thread J. Forster
If the contacts are loose and individually extractable/insertable, the pin is probably a dummy pin to substitute for the more expensive brass/gold pins. This is so the rubber does not distorted over time. -John = I got a GPS Source splitter recently and since my little Adafruit

Re: [time-nuts] MS3106R10SL-4S connector question

2013-12-09 Thread J. Forster
like it's probably pressure tight.  You can see the blue plastic pin in the third picture.  It's almost like it has something to do with the rubber strain relief/enviro shield, but I dunno what. Bob From: J. Forster j...@quikus.com To: Bob Stewart b

Re: [time-nuts] Man killed in quartz crystal accident

2013-11-26 Thread J. Forster
Far more people are killed and injured every year by car crashes and smoking than by all civilian incidents, or even atomic warfare, in history. -John === This quartz crystal accident is a canary in the coal mine that demonstrates how poor safety and regulations often work

Re: [time-nuts] Man killed in quartz crystal accident

2013-11-26 Thread J. Forster
kill people? 100% of people die from something. So we shouldn't try to keep from killing bystanders because they are going to die anyway? Sounds a bit sociopathic to me. Doc Sent from mobile On Nov 26, 2013, at 7:34 AM, J. Forster j...@quikus.com wrote: Far more people are killed

Re: [time-nuts] Crude Survey Technique

2013-11-22 Thread J. Forster
If the telescope on your transit can go to your lattitude, sight Polaris and you're done after a simple calculation. -John Stephen - [time-nuts] Crude Survey Technique Thanks for describing your method. I am learning a lot. here is agovt web site that will give

Re: [time-nuts] Crude Survey Technique

2013-11-22 Thread J. Forster
-hjik8EkgSf6TuXxtVqHxUF3zKzGrNZ_HFi=v...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 On Friday, November 22, 2013, J. Forster wrote: If the telescope on your transit can go to your lattitude, sight Polaris and you're done after a simple calculation. This is the simplest high-accuracy

Re: [time-nuts] Crude Survey Technique

2013-11-21 Thread J. Forster
For something that crude, I'd consider taking a sight on Polaris. If you note the time and do the math, you can probably do better than your bounds. Also, there is almost certainly an app somewhere to do the math for you. I think tha reeuction info was in Bowditch or the Nautical Almanac. FWIW,

Re: [time-nuts] Crude Survey Technique

2013-11-21 Thread J. Forster
The INS has to be 'aligned' before takeoff. Remember, the earth is spinning on an axis, and the INS's platform is stable in Inertial space. If you know the INS is sitting on the ground (or even deep in a mine shaft) it's just trig. Nothing external needed, not even stars. -John

Re: [time-nuts] Crude Survey Technique

2013-11-21 Thread J. Forster
FWIW, my Garmin Nuvie 40 (el cheapo) only takes moving maybe 10' to get a rough compass direction. I doubt it has any gyro or accelerometers. -John === Hi Neville: Most low cost hand held and car GPS receivers can only display direction based on changes in position. While on

Re: [time-nuts] Crude Survey Technique

2013-11-21 Thread J. Forster
As I said before, the RA and Dec of Polaris is well known. Spherical trig and the Siderial Time will give you the offset from the true pole in Az and El. With corrections for refraction, this is good to better than an arc-second. -John == On Thu, Nov 21, 2013 at 12:45 PM,

Re: [time-nuts] Isolation achieved by opamp based isoamp?

2013-11-21 Thread J. Forster
, J. Forster j...@quikus.com wrote: Looking quickly at the prints on the site, the isolation is provided by the transformer, not the active circuitry. The transistors/op-amps are just buffers for the output. That means that the isolation is determined, for the most part, by the transformer

Re: [time-nuts] Isolation achieved by opamp based isoamp?

2013-11-21 Thread J. Forster
Looking quickly at the prints on the site, the isolation is provided by the transformer, not the active circuitry. The transistors/op-amps are just buffers for the output. That means that the isolation is determined, for the most part, by the transformer design, so: A bifilar wound torroid

Re: [time-nuts] Loran

2013-11-14 Thread J. Forster
What's the signal strength like? -John === Oh that is indeed interesting that they are moving forward. The GRI is 89700. SRS700 locked and looking good. Just brought the Austron 2100 and 2100F on line. The 2100 is tied to the local RB and the f is tied to the HP3801. The SRS700

[time-nuts] It's About Time :)

2013-10-09 Thread J. Forster
From another list: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9CpsPgXyIm8 -John === ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.

[time-nuts] [Fwd: [Boatanchors] FW: [ndblist] WWVB etc]

2013-10-08 Thread J. Forster
FORWARDED: Sorry, I could not resist!! 73, Billl, WA2DVU Cape May --- WWVB has been sold to Clear Channel http://www.lownoiserecords.com/wwv_the_tick.html - -John === ___ time-nuts

Re: [time-nuts] How hard is it to detect a GPS Jammer?

2013-10-07 Thread J. Forster
On spacecraft hardware, even though something is a bit old, it does make sense to use it. Space qualifying a piece of hardware is very, very expensive, because it requires a lot of shake and bake plus thermal vaccuum and other things. Furthermore, there are always unknowns. Do YOU really want

Re: [time-nuts] NIST off-line

2013-10-01 Thread J. Forster
What did you expect? It's the Washington Monument strategy... again. Just like the 'sequester'. When you take a lollypop away from a kid, it kicks and screams and tries to make as much fuss as possible. Sometimes, just letting the kicking and screaming go on is the best way to teach a badly

Re: [time-nuts] time-nuts Digest, Vol 111, Issue 2

2013-10-01 Thread J. Forster
. Re: NIST off-line (Jim Lux) 6. Re: NIST off-line (Brooke Clarke) 7. Re: NIST off-line (J. Forster) 8. Re: NIST off-line (Tom Van Baak) 9. Re: NIST off-line (Alan Melia) -- Message: 1 Date: Tue, 01 Oct 2013 13

Re: [time-nuts] Pulsars make a GPS for the cosmos

2013-09-29 Thread J. Forster
There really is no such thing as a 'bright' pulsar. They are something like 16 Mag at best. This is not exactly naked eye. -John === b...@evoria.net said: Just to satisfy my curiosity: what's easiest to detect galactic pulse emitter (regardless of type), and what's the

Re: [time-nuts] Pulsars make a GPS for the cosmos

2013-09-28 Thread J. Forster
A couple of points: Pulsars are pretty faint and the only solution to that is antenna aperture. We looked at that while doing SETI a ways back. Receivers are now quite close to the theoretical limit as far as noise temperatuse. There is very little room for improvement. Pulsars are not

Re: [time-nuts] Pulsars make a GPS for the cosmos

2013-09-28 Thread J. Forster
Yes, but to use them for interstellar navigation, as suggested, when the propagation delays are 10,000 years or more complicates things. What is contemplated is comparing the clocks, as they were thousands of years ago, where they were thousands of years ago, with largely unknown motions. You

Re: [time-nuts] Pulsars make a GPS for the cosmos

2013-09-28 Thread J. Forster
From what I remember, with the 1000' Aricebo dish and pretty good LNA, there were a literal handful of RF photons per pulse... less than 10 maybe. -John === Just to satisfy my curiosity: what's easiest to detect galactic pulse emitter (regardless of type), and what's the

Re: [time-nuts] Pulsars make a GPS for the cosmos

2013-09-28 Thread J. Forster
The sune is hugely bright in the RF. I've been able to see it at 2.2 GHz with nothing more than a horn a foot or so across and a receiver w/ a NF of maybe 8 dB (cavity preselector mixer IFA... ACL SR-209). There was a noticable difference between pointing at the sun and in another direction.

Re: [time-nuts] FCC politics vs their engineers...

2013-09-17 Thread J. Forster
It is hard to imagine a more stupid or more dangerous way of making decisions than by putting those decisions in the hands of people who pay no price for being wrong. - Thomas Sowell YMMV, -John === Was it not always so?? Remember the politicians pay the bills not the

[time-nuts] Lightning Strike Site

2013-09-09 Thread J. Forster
FYI: http://thunderstorm.vaisala.com/explorer.html -John === ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.

Re: [time-nuts] SDR Radio Opinion- Next Question...

2013-08-07 Thread J. Forster
The trend to add more and more fearures to electronic gadgets is a real pain, IMO. I have a Garmin Nuvi and you basically have to do a royal flush of every stored parameter to simply clear the 'trail of bread crumbs'. The thing has so many modes that it is really annoying to use and there seems

Re: [time-nuts] Heads up: Mark C. Stephens...

2013-08-05 Thread J. Forster
I wish there were a way of blocking all Chinese ISPs. I'm sick of Dr Oz and similar incessant crap. YMMV, -John = Hi I run the same sort of stuff, and have the same sort of problems from time to time. At one point all of Germany was unable to send me email … Bob On Aug

Re: [time-nuts] Heads up: Mark C. Stephens...

2013-08-05 Thread J. Forster
If you mean Comcast, I can well see their point. Over half the malware spam I get comes from Comcast and Comcastbussiness. Just because they are big, does not mean they should be given an exemption from being responsible. YMMV, -John I agree with John, you can't go around

Re: [time-nuts] Low cost GPS for model aircraft

2013-08-05 Thread J. Forster
This chatter about model aircraft GPS got me to wondering if there now off-the-shelf flight control systems for model planes that will do nav and/or attitude control? I know there are mini-gyros, but I think they are only good enough for attitude control. Last time I was into this, if you lost

Re: [time-nuts] Low cost GPS for model aircraft

2013-08-05 Thread J. Forster
, 2013 at 10:14 AM, J. Forster j...@quikus.com wrote: This chatter about model aircraft GPS got me to wondering if there now off-the-shelf flight control systems for model planes that will do nav and/or attitude control? I know there are mini-gyros, but I think they are only good enough

[time-nuts] SDR Radio Opinion ?

2013-08-05 Thread J. Forster
Has anyone played with this thing? http://microsat.com.pl/product_info.php?products_id=35 If you add a laptop, is the thing a complete radio? It seems to be far too cheap to believe. -John === ___ time-nuts mailing list --

[time-nuts] SDR Radio Opinion- Next Question

2013-08-05 Thread J. Forster
OK. Thanks everybody. Can you please reccomend a make/model? I'd like something like: 75 to 1300 MHz USB Ability to function as a crude SA. Not crawling w/ birdies or aliasing issues. Will run on Win XP. Demod selecttable for all modes at all frequencies. In a package, rather than a loose PCB.

Re: [time-nuts] [TestEquipTrader] SDR Radio Opinion- Next Question

2013-08-05 Thread J. Forster
remember. http://www.funcubedongle.com/ On 8/5/2013 5:52 PM, J. Forster wrote: OK. Thanks everybody. Can you please reccomend a make/model? I'd like something like: 75 to 1300 MHz USB Ability to function as a crude SA. Not crawling w/ birdies or aliasing issues. Will run on Win XP. Demod

Re: [time-nuts] SDR Radio Opinion- Next Question

2013-08-05 Thread J. Forster
I assume you mean XP? Several reasons: Used Thinkpads that will run XP are cheap and plentiful. I hate Vista and Win 7... I'm interested in a turnkey tool, not SW 'elegance', etc. -John == On Mon, Aug 5, 2013 at 2:52 PM, J. Forster j...@quikus.com wrote: OK. Thanks everybody

Re: [time-nuts] SDR Radio Opinion- Next Question

2013-08-05 Thread J. Forster
other than an FM radio.  If I had a B-L adapter I'd be able to check some samples from my Tracking Generator, but it's not something I've ever looked into.  Look on ebay for rtl2832 to find out what's most readily available Bob From: J. Forster j

Re: [time-nuts] SDR Radio Opinion- Next Question

2013-08-05 Thread J. Forster
Hi John, I don't think you quite got it yet. All of those types of Dongles have no frontend filtering and no gain control (AGC). Oh, I'm all too familiar w/ SAs without YIG preselectors. That's why I've always preferred AILtech to HP. Basically it is a diode (so to speak) looking at the

Re: [time-nuts] [hp_agilent_equipment] SDR Radio Opinion ?

2013-08-05 Thread J. Forster
About $100. -John = On 08/05/2013 04:56 PM, J. Forster wrote: Has anyone played with this thing? http://microsat.com.pl/product_info.php?products_id=35 If you add a laptop, is the thing a complete radio? It seems to be far too cheap to believe. -John

[time-nuts] Radio Shack GPS Module

2013-08-02 Thread J. Forster
In looking around the local Radio Shack a few days ago, I notices a silver dollar sized GPS module w/ patch antenna for use in home brew robots. The thing is supposedly good to 5 Meters and costs about $55. It appears to have a serial ASCII interface. There is nothing obvious on the RS website.

Re: [time-nuts] Story in the Economist about GPS jamming

2013-07-30 Thread J. Forster
). And this applies double to the technological illiterates in DC See Sen 'Tubes' Stevens for the canonical example Sent from my iPhone On Jul 29, 2013, at 12:46 PM, J. Forster j...@quikus.com wrote: It seems to me that GPS has been oversold as the be all, end all system that made all other systems

Re: [time-nuts] Story in the Economist about GPS jamming

2013-07-30 Thread J. Forster
I think the largest concern about jamming is for civilian uses, rather than military, mainly because military receivers are designed and built to be more immune. Also, military systems are far more likely to have good grade INS. Furthermore, there are probably a couple of orders of magnitude more

Re: [time-nuts] GPS Spoofing

2013-07-29 Thread J. Forster
-- Message: 1 Date: Sun, 28 Jul 2013 15:24:30 -0700 (PDT) From: J. Forster j...@quikus.com Subject: Re: [time-nuts] GPS Spoofing I'm not so convinced about this: OMEGA was the primary means of radio navigation, world wide, from 1976 to 1997. . There was LORAN-C, after all. And Omega

Re: [time-nuts] GPS Spoofing

2013-07-29 Thread J. Forster
From what I've been told privately and off the record, the vacuum was not filled with political gas. YMMV, -John = [snip] Indeed, all of this was gone over *many* times in the 80's. Those involved were *very* knowledgeable about all of these systems and their weaknesses. None

Re: [time-nuts] GPS Spoofing- oops

2013-07-29 Thread J. Forster
Oops: From what I've been told privately and off the record, the vacuum was not a vacuum, but was filled with political gas. Sorry, -John == From what I've been told privately and off the record, the vacuum was not filled with political gas. YMMV, -John =

Re: [time-nuts] GPS Spoofing

2013-07-29 Thread J. Forster
Prohibition never works. It's been tried with booze, drugs, pay sex, and guns, at least, and failed every time. If people want something badly enough, they will get it. Ask yourself, is the collateral damage worth it? MMV, -John = We've been discussing both GNSS

Re: [time-nuts] Story in the Economist about GPS jamming

2013-07-29 Thread J. Forster
It seems to me that GPS has been oversold as the be all, end all system that made all other systems obsolete and GPS has become all but an indespensible utility. Reports like this, could well be used to promote a backup, like LORAN or eLORAN, just as public buildings have backup generators.

Re: [time-nuts] GPS Spoofing

2013-07-28 Thread J. Forster
The point about the duty cycle being low is correct. And, there are commercial linear power amps, like the used ones made by ENI and others, that can easily put out 1 kW plus narrow pulses. Furthermore, the pulse generator is trivial to make with a Rb, 3 or more Tektronix DD501s, a simple OR gate

Re: [time-nuts] GPS Spoofing

2013-07-28 Thread J. Forster
... Rob -Original Message- From: time-nuts-boun...@febo.com [mailto:time-nuts-boun...@febo.com] On Behalf Of J. Forster Sent: 28 July 2013 20:06 To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement Subject: Re: [time-nuts] GPS Spoofing The point about the duty cycle being low

Re: [time-nuts] GPS Spoofing

2013-07-28 Thread J. Forster
efficient antenna and 100 kHz in the same sentence. Oh, wait... - Original Message - From: J. Forster j...@quikus.com To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement time-nuts@febo.com Sent: Sunday, July 28, 2013 3:06 PM Subject: Re: [time-nuts] GPS Spoofing The point about

Re: [time-nuts] GPS Spoofing

2013-07-27 Thread J. Forster
== LORAN can be good to 60 ft. On 7/27/13 12:21 AM, Jim Lux wrote: On 7/26/13 8:45 PM, J. Forster wrote: I gather from the article, the GPS position was spoofed and the autopilot, in bringing it back to where it was supposed to be, actually took it off course

Re: [time-nuts] GPS Spoofing

2013-07-27 Thread J. Forster
turn it off thinking it was broken. On Fri, Jul 26, 2013 at 8:41 AM, J. Forster j...@quikus.com wrote: Prof. Humphry from Texas just reported being able to spoof GPS in the Med and take over the nav system of a luxury yacht. He's done this before with a drone in the US. LORAN

Re: [time-nuts] GPS Spoofing

2013-07-27 Thread J. Forster
and he'd very quickly turn it off thinking it was broken. On Fri, Jul 26, 2013 at 8:41 AM, J. Forster j...@quikus.com wrote: Prof. Humphry from Texas just reported being able to spoof GPS in the Med and take over the nav system of a luxury yacht. He's done this before with a drone

Re: [time-nuts] GPS Spoofing

2013-07-27 Thread J. Forster
to cross check each other. Sent from my iPhone On Jul 27, 2013, at 12:21 AM, Jim Lux jim...@earthlink.net wrote: On 7/26/13 8:45 PM, J. Forster wrote: I gather from the article, the GPS position was spoofed and the autopilot, in bringing it back to where it was supposed to be, actually

Re: [time-nuts] Agilent / HP 117A on eBay...

2013-07-26 Thread J. Forster
that works on the magnetic field component of the incoming wave, rather than the electric field, like a whip. So, if you put a bunch of turns inside the loop of conduit, a complete loop of conduit will be a shorted secondary. J. Forster The HP 117A antenna is a circular shielded loop, about 1

[time-nuts] GPS Spoofing

2013-07-26 Thread J. Forster
Prof. Humphry from Texas just reported being able to spoof GPS in the Med and take over the nav system of a luxury yacht. He's done this before with a drone in the US. LORAN as a backup, at least? -John == ___ time-nuts mailing list --

Re: [time-nuts] HP 117 from ebay

2013-07-26 Thread J. Forster
IMO, it is unlikely you will be able to form the loop by hand on a mandrel. I'd suggest a commercial conduit bender for that trade size conduit and work your way along the tubing a few inches at a time. -John ===   List,   I bought one of them for several reasons besides

Re: [time-nuts] GPS Spoofing

2013-07-26 Thread J. Forster
thinking it was broken. On Fri, Jul 26, 2013 at 8:41 AM, J. Forster j...@quikus.com wrote: Prof. Humphry from Texas just reported being able to spoof GPS in the Med and take over the nav system of a luxury yacht. He's done this before with a drone in the US. LORAN as a backup, at least

Re: [time-nuts] Agilent / HP 117A on eBay...

2013-07-25 Thread J. Forster
The HP 117A antenna is a circular shielded loop, about 1 meter or 3' in diameter. I never bothered to measure it. It looks to be made out of roughly 1 OD aluminum electrical conduit components, a Tee at the top and a pull box at the bottom. There are three conduit sections, one a diameter that

Re: [time-nuts] eLoran announcement in the UK

2013-07-17 Thread J. Forster
Do you have any idea of the transmitter power/antenna gain? The relatively low power of the UK 60 kHz is strong enough to interfere w/ WWVB in MA, so I'm wondering if the UK eLORAN might be usably strong. -John === Not the first time this has been mentioned but another

Re: [time-nuts] eLoran announcement in the UK

2013-07-17 Thread J. Forster
On a smaller scale, my two Austron 2100Fs are sitting, patiently waiting Has anyone had success in the US locking a standard LORAN-C receiver/antenna onto the European stations lately? -John = I find this interesting. The military is also rekindling an interest in HF

Re: [time-nuts] Lead acid battery noise levels

2013-07-11 Thread J. Forster
It's a compromise. NiCds are quiet, but they have to be recharged and can have high self-discharge rates and grow whiskers internally. If I were building a one-off or a few amps, and Hg batteries were plentiful in the stockroom, I might well use them also. In the PAR 113 the NiCd pack has to be

Re: [time-nuts] Lead acid battery noise levels

2013-07-11 Thread J. Forster
Yeah! In spades. And there really are no good substitutes. I have a number of instruments from ESI, GR and others that are pretty much doorstops w/o them. The solution the camera people use, the silver cells, are not available in the larger sizes for instruments AFAIK. -John ===

Re: [time-nuts] How dangerous if a Rb lamp broken?

2013-07-10 Thread J. Forster
Public perceptions of risk change with time. In WWII, Radium dial watches, aircraft instruments, dial and switch markings, were ubiquitous. But so were explosives, bombs, bayonettes, and a bunch of other things. So people didn't have the luxury of concerns over minor things. Now that is not so.

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