Re: [time-nuts] Generating a solid PPS from 10Mhz source

2016-01-14 Thread Robert Darby
I and others have written divider routines in assembler for the ATtiny25 etc. The version I have is crude but divides by 10, 100, and 1000. I also have a version that divides by 1E4, 1E5, and 1E6. I also have a version that generates 3 pps outputs, one with a 50% duty cycle plus positive

[time-nuts] The Trapezoidal Clocking

2014-12-13 Thread Robert Darby
This is an paper that may be of some interest to those interested in clock distribution. The author, Jinyuan Wu has done considerable work on FPGA TIC's with Fermi Lab. http://www-ppd.fnal.gov/EEDOffice-w/Projects/ckm/comadc/TrapezCLK1b.pdf bob darby

Re: [time-nuts] Time tagging fpga

2014-11-22 Thread Robert Darby
wrote: On Sat, Nov 22, 2014 at 5:37 AM, Robert Darby bobda...@triad.rr.com wrote: I finally got the time tagging fpga I was playing with to a semi-usable state. I mentioned in an earlier post that I was unable to compile or link the FTDI library but Magnus Karlsson very kindly rewrote a program

Re: [time-nuts] Time tagging fpga

2014-11-22 Thread Robert Darby
, Anders Wallin wrote: On Sat, Nov 22, 2014 at 5:37 AM, Robert Darby bobda...@triad.rr.com wrote: I finally got the time tagging fpga I was playing with to a semi-usable state. I mentioned in an earlier post that I was unable to compile or link the FTDI library but Magnus Karlsson very kindly

[time-nuts] Time tagging fpga

2014-11-21 Thread Robert Darby
I finally got the time tagging fpga I was playing with to a semi-usable state. I mentioned in an earlier post that I was unable to compile or link the FTDI library but Magnus Karlsson very kindly rewrote a program of his to provide me with a utility to set up the USB asynchronous parallel

Re: [time-nuts] Lucent Rubidium Schematics

2014-11-04 Thread Robert Darby
Perrier, I would appreciate receiving a copy of Ivan's mods. Thanks, Bob Darby On 11/4/2014 7:35 PM, Perry Sandeen via time-nuts wrote: List, I have just finished digitizing and repaginating *Modifying Lucent RFG-M-RB Rubidium Frequency Standard* by Ivan Makarov. (m...@makarov.ca

Re: [time-nuts] Lucent KS-24361, HP/Symmetricom Z3809A, Z3810A, Z3811A, Z3812...

2014-10-23 Thread Robert Darby
Also of interest is the three pin connector behind the osc labeled Vref, Rtn, and EFC. Present on both boards. Manufacturing test input? bob darby On 10/23/2014 1:19 PM, Bob Stewart wrote: My units came in today. What I got appears to be new-in-box. It's probably the only thing I'll ever

Re: [time-nuts] Digital Mixing with a BeagleBone Black and D Flip Flop

2014-10-12 Thread Robert Darby
://www.febo.com/pipermail/time-nuts/2008-December/034955.html Later comment on using a shift register to minimise metastability issues: https://www.febo.com/pipermail/time-nuts/2011-August/058648.html Bruce On Sunday, October 12, 2014 12:14:27 AM Robert Darby wrote: Bob Camp, Bob, Simon is talking about

Re: [time-nuts] Digital Mixing with a BeagleBone Black and D Flip Flop

2014-10-11 Thread Robert Darby
) If the plots don't come through as attached, they are also on google drive here: https://drive.google.com/open?id=0BzvFGRfj4aFkSEdYV3lXcmZIVTAauthuser=0 Cheers Simon On 10/10/2014 02:01, Robert Darby wrote: Simon, I breadboaded a set-up in March using 74AC74's and two 10 MHz Micro Crystal

Re: [time-nuts] Digital Mixing with a BeagleBone Black and D Flip Flop

2014-10-11 Thread Robert Darby
Yeah, breaks my heart but I'm not real good (try real bad) at troubleshooting electronics (so why am i here?). As I noted in my earlier post, the issue lies in my construction and lack of knowledge re electronic fundamentals. I have the greatest respect for Mr. Riley and I do not want my

Re: [time-nuts] Digital Mixing with a BeagleBone Black and D Flip Flop

2014-10-11 Thread Robert Darby
, at 9:10 AM, Robert Darby bobda...@triad.rr.com wrote: Simon, Welcome to the tangential world. I'm sure the clean edge I saw was an aberration, perhaps analogous to phase locking in oscillators; I don't think it's desirable because common sense tells you that with imperfect clocks and small

Re: [time-nuts] Digital Mixing with a BeagleBone Black and D Flip Flop

2014-10-11 Thread Robert Darby
not be counted on. The thing you *want* to come up with is essentially a random signal (ADEV), so massive filtering will not do the trick either. Bob On Oct 11, 2014, at 3:33 PM, Robert Darby bobda...@triad.rr.com wrote: ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time

Re: [time-nuts] Digital Mixing with a BeagleBone Black and D Flip Flop

2014-10-09 Thread Robert Darby
Simon, I breadboaded a set-up in March using 74AC74's and two 10 MHz Micro Crystal oscillators (5V square wave), one as the coherent source and one as the 10Hz offset clock. I had no glitch filtering as described in the article you cite (CERN's White Rabbit Project, sub nanosecond timing

[time-nuts] Effect of sampling intervals on ADEV measurements

2014-08-24 Thread Robert Darby
I compared an Austron 1250A to an FTS 1050A, both 5 MHz quartz frequency standards. I beat both against a 5Hz offset using a Riley DMTD device to provide a 1e6 time resolution increase. There was about a 1.15e-10 frequency difference between the two oscillators (two weeks on, it's about

Re: [time-nuts] Yet another Arduino-based GPSDO

2014-04-10 Thread Robert Darby
This article might be of interest to those building 16 bit PWM DAC's http://m.eet.com/media/1134628/15421-93004di.pdf Mr. Woodward deals with the monotonicity issue quite thoroughly. On 4/10/2014 9:42 AM, Jim Harman wrote: I have not tried the dual PWM-based DAC, but my concern is that

[time-nuts] Question about DDMTD deglitching

2014-02-22 Thread Robert Darby
In August 2011 there was a brief mention on Time-Nuts of DDMTD's which led me to The P. Moreira and I. Darwazeh paper Digital femtosecond time difference circuit for CERN’s timing system. I'm hoping that someone can explain one item mentioned in this paper for me. For those not familiar

Re: [time-nuts] Question about DDMTD deglitching

2014-02-22 Thread Robert Darby
are slower (or faster depending on the structure) than ones with more 0’s. There apparently is some strong data somewhere suggesting that this is all true. Bob On Feb 22, 2014, at 12:30 PM, Robert Darby bobda...@triad.rr.com wrote: In August 2011 there was a brief mention on Time-Nuts of DDMTD's

Re: [time-nuts] Tom's Adventures of a Time Nut (Banquet Talk)

2014-01-31 Thread Robert Darby
Tom, Very enjoyable talk. One small non time related quibble. Ray and Charles Eames were not brothers; Ray was Charles Eames (Eames Chair etc) wife and a co-collaborator on many projects. PBS has a documentary of their work and life together.

Re: [time-nuts] Question concerning ADEV measurements

2013-10-11 Thread Robert Darby
=1s. -- john, KE5FX Miles Design LLC -Original Message- From: time-nuts-boun...@febo.com [mailto:time-nuts- boun...@febo.com] On Behalf Of Robert Darby Sent: Wednesday, October 09, 2013 12:30 PM To: time-nuts@febo.com Subject: [time-nuts] Question concerning ADEV measurements

[time-nuts] Question concerning ADEV measurements

2013-10-09 Thread Robert Darby
Is there a methodological difficulty using the reference clock to also clock a TIC? Specifically, I have a 5370B with the DUT on the start input and a 5065A on both the stop input and the external clock input. Thanks, Bob Darby ___ time-nuts

Re: [time-nuts] Coarse adjustment of PRS-10 with 5335A

2013-09-02 Thread Robert Darby
This is a dumb question but why not let the PRS-10 set itself using the 1PPS input and an appropriate time constant? Thanks, Bob Darby On 9/2/2013 12:09 PM, Bob Camp wrote: Hi Ok, you are fine with the 10 MHz reading on the 5335 to get things sort of close. Once you get past about

Re: [time-nuts] 10811 outer oven controller.

2013-07-15 Thread Robert Darby
Is anyone aware of a schematic for the oscillator on the web? I have downloaded the usual 10811 manuals but I've never seen a schematic or description of the pin-outs for the double-oven version. Bob Darby On 7/12/2013 11:38 AM, Azelio Boriani wrote: Is it enough if I have a schematic to

Re: [time-nuts] Question about effect of sample interval on ADEV

2013-07-08 Thread Robert Darby
John, After a night's sleep and a rereading of your post I finally realized what I was doing wrong. I did not understand the the role of the sampling interval setting and the display rate setting on the 5370. When I follow the process below the results are totally consistent. Sorry to

Re: [time-nuts] Question about effect of sample interval on ADEV

2013-07-08 Thread Robert Darby
to solve the battery charging circuit issues in the FTS 1050A? Thanks, Bob Darby On 7/8/2013 2:26 PM, Volker Esper wrote: Bob, Sorry, I'm not sure, if I've understood the issue - what exactly did you wrong? Thank you Volker Am 08.07.2013 14:48, schrieb Robert Darby: John, After

[time-nuts] Question about effect of sample interval on ADEV

2013-07-07 Thread Robert Darby
This is a question that has probably been addressed on the list and in various texts but I've been unable to find an answer that I can fathom so here's a request for some info about the behavior of TimeLab (and probably all other similar programs). I have been trying to find the source of

Re: [time-nuts] Question about effect of sample interval on ADEV

2013-07-07 Thread Robert Darby
Thanks to all who responded. I didn't phrase my question very well I'm afraid. The periodic noise/beat note issue is what lead me to try a different sample interval. Previously I had always let TimeLab set the sample interval (about .07s for the5370B). I was surprised by the difference in

Re: [time-nuts] Question about effect of sample interval on ADEV

2013-07-07 Thread Robert Darby
mode. BTW, thanks for the program. Bob Darby On 7/7/2013 8:57 PM, John Miles wrote: -Original Message- From: time-nuts-boun...@febo.com [mailto:time-nuts-boun...@febo.com] On Behalf Of Robert Darby Sent: Sunday, July 07, 2013 3:33 PM To: time-nuts@febo.com Subject: Re: [time-nuts

Re: [time-nuts] DMTD questions

2013-05-28 Thread Robert Darby
Thanks Götz, I'll run down those suggestions. bob On 5/28/2013 12:46 PM, Götz Romahn wrote: hi Bob, I had the same problems which I solved (partly) the following way: transformer tc1-1t is offered here: http://www.minikits.com.au/TC1-1T for mixers I took TUF-1 which is rather similar to

[time-nuts] DMTD questions

2013-05-27 Thread Robert Darby
Some time back I purchased from Stanley Reynolds the necessary boards for the Riley DMTD. I'm now looking at what's necessary to build out these boards and the Mini Circuits parts are far and away the most expensive parts, due principally to the 10 part minimum on several of the items. I'm

Re: [time-nuts] hp5065b !!!

2013-05-01 Thread Robert Darby
I have a question for the list that I'm sure Corby can address but perhaps someone else can explain as well. Corby notes that this mod has only been effective with late series A3 modules. My question is: what change did HP make to the A3 module (early to late) that affects the mod Corby is

Re: [time-nuts] hp5065b !!!

2013-05-01 Thread Robert Darby
standing out http://www.kennethkuhn.com/hpmuseum/scans/ Anyone has a later manual version? I would much appreciate to get the late A3 version pages. I have to say that Corby's modification in its simplicity and achieved improvement is absolutely ingenious. Adrian Robert Darby schrieb: I have

Re: [time-nuts] hp5065b !!!

2013-05-01 Thread Robert Darby
Corby, Thanks. Hit send just as your post came in. :o( I'm sure it will be interesting to see those changes. Bob On 5/1/2013 11:59 AM, cdel...@juno.com wrote: Bob, The new style A3 uses the same input and slighly modified output stages from the original. The multiplication from 5 to 60 Mhz

[time-nuts] spectracom PicoTime

2013-04-14 Thread Robert Darby
Does anyone have any experience using the spectracom PicoTime test set? Just curious. Datasheet: http://www.spectracomcorp.com/Desktopmodules/Bring2Mind/DMX/Download.aspx?EntryId=379PortalId=0 Using with a CNT-91:

[time-nuts] Question about FTS 1050A

2013-04-03 Thread Robert Darby
I purchased an FTS 1050 recently and after a cursory inspection of the interior powered it up to see if it's functional. This particular unit is a bit odd; it has the optional battery back-up, no PPS, and instead of the usual 1Mhz, 5Mhz, 10Mhz it has four 10Mhz outputs with tnc female

Re: [time-nuts] Question about FTS 1050A

2013-04-03 Thread Robert Darby
A little follow-up. I looked at all four 1000B outputs with the scope; one pair is at 1.2V rms and the second is at .7V rms. The waveform looks clean and is close to the 1.0V and .5V described on the spec sheet so I conclude that the oscillator is fine. I disassembled the doubler case to

Re: [time-nuts] Question about FTS 1050A

2013-04-03 Thread Robert Darby
Dick, If you're asking about the FTS 1050A it was on Ebay. I believe Symmetricom still sells them but I can't justify buying one from them. bob On 4/3/2013 10:56 PM, Richard Solomon wrote: Just curious, where are you getting these from ? Tnx, Dick, W1KSZ On 4/3/2013 7:21 PM, Robert

[time-nuts] Riley paper on Tight Phase Lock Loop

2013-01-30 Thread Robert Darby
Gentlemen, I've been a lurker on this list since early in 2012. I do not possess a technical background but do have some interest in time measurement topics. I was reading some of W. J. Riley's papers and saw that after the long and contentious discussion on this list Mr Riley built and

[time-nuts] Thought experiment on a low cost timing board

2012-10-05 Thread Robert Darby
Alberto, I have been reading the time-nuts archives and ran across a Feb 25, 2006 post where you mention you coded a GPSDO for an Atmel AT90s8535. Is that code still available and could I please get a copy of it. Also, if you have a schematic I would like to see same if possible. Thanks,