Re: [time-nuts] Clock quality: alternatives to ADEV

2014-04-12 Thread Magnus Danielson
On 10/04/14 00:38, Hal Murray wrote: I've been watching the discussions and graphs for a while. ADEV seems appropriate for cases where the noise pattern is nice. How does ADEV work if the noise isn't nice? Are there alternatives? What's the mathematical term for the type of noise that works

Re: [time-nuts] Clock quality: alternatives to ADEV

2014-04-12 Thread Magnus Danielson
On 10/04/14 19:24, Richard (Rick) Karlquist wrote: The trouble with ADEV is that if you average a long time it papers over anomalous events like crystal jumps. ADEV is about characterizing noise powers. The better variants such as TOTADEV and TheoADEV will be even more efficient at

Re: [time-nuts] Clock quality: alternatives to ADEV

2014-04-10 Thread Richard (Rick) Karlquist
The trouble with ADEV is that if you average a long time it papers over anomalous events like crystal jumps. An alternative measure might be to, instead of averaging, simply keep track of the worse case change in frequency during 1 sample period. Sort of like peak jitter versus rms jitter.

[time-nuts] Clock quality: alternatives to ADEV

2014-04-09 Thread Hal Murray
I've been watching the discussions and graphs for a while. ADEV seems appropriate for cases where the noise pattern is nice. How does ADEV work if the noise isn't nice? Are there alternatives? What's the mathematical term for the type of noise that works well with ADEV? I can think of 3

Re: [time-nuts] Clock quality: alternatives to ADEV

2014-04-09 Thread Don Latham
Tou can try some chaos analysis on the phase space (not the phase of the signal). It may be that some kinds of shifts are chaotic. Don Hal Murray I've been watching the discussions and graphs for a while. ADEV seems appropriate for cases where the noise pattern is nice. How does ADEV work if