[time-nuts] Frequency Dividers

2009-08-09 Thread Pete
I thought I'd share some recent results for 2 useful frequency dividers. For frequencies above 50MHz, an A-D 9513; and a 74HC4059 for 40 MHz below. The A-D 9513 likes higher slew rates works best above 100MHz. I cheated and bought an evaluation board for the A-D 9513; layout is really

Re: [time-nuts] Frequency Dividers

2009-08-09 Thread Bruce Griffiths
Pete You can probably do much better with the AD9513 at lower frequencies if you use a couple of cascaded longtailed pairs each with carefully selected gain (series feedback R between the longtailed pair emitters) and bandwidth (capacitor between the collectors) to condition the low frequency

Re: [time-nuts] Frequency dividers

2009-04-02 Thread Rich and Marcia Putz
Hi All; All this frequency divider conjecture makes me think someone ought to come up with a modern design regenerative divider! Perhaps a double balanced mixer and a couple of high speed OP amps! Regards; Rich ___ time-nuts mailing list --

Re: [time-nuts] Frequency dividers

2009-04-02 Thread Bruce Griffiths
Rich and Marcia Putz wrote: Hi All; All this frequency divider conjecture makes me think someone ought to come up with a modern design regenerative divider! Perhaps a double balanced mixer and a couple of high speed OP amps! Regards; Rich ___

[time-nuts] Frequency dividers

2006-09-25 Thread Dr Bruce Griffiths
Randy In August you asked First off, what I am about to do is ask a REALLY STUPID question, but more and more of the GPS stuff I do is drifting towards the precision timing end of things, so I thought I should ask. I have been seeing a lot of traffic concerning making 10MHz frequency

Re: [time-nuts] Frequency Dividers

2006-08-09 Thread SAIDJACK
In a message dated 8/8/2006 17:21:56 Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Said, I understand that the micros work fine, it just seemed like you would need a second one to discipline the OCXO because of the timing constraints on the divider. Hi Randy, on our new GPSDO's

Re: [time-nuts] Frequency Dividers

2006-08-09 Thread David Forbes
At 5:31 PM -0400 8/8/06, John Ackermann N8UR wrote: Randy Warner said the following on 08/08/2006 03:23 PM: I have been seeing a lot of traffic concerning making 10MHz frequency dividers using PIC's. While they provide an elegant solution to providing an accurate 1PPS from a precision

Re: [time-nuts] Frequency Dividers

2006-08-09 Thread Didier Juges
Hi Said, Thanks for the info, I did check the Philips (and Sparkfun) web site(s) and I must admit the ARM chip is cheap and has impressive specifications. With the GNU tools, I know it will work and it will fit my homebrewer's budget :-) I used to consider $99 for a development kit cheap, but

Re: [time-nuts] Frequency Dividers

2006-08-08 Thread Randy Warner
Guys, First off, what I am about to do is ask a REALLY STUPID question, but more and more of the GPS stuff I do is drifting towards the precision timing end of things, so I thought I should ask. I have been seeing a lot of traffic concerning making 10MHz frequency dividers using PIC's. While

Re: [time-nuts] Frequency Dividers

2006-08-08 Thread SAIDJACK
Hi Randy, I guess they like the intellectual challenge of tweaking PIC bits :) There is what I think may be a better way to generate the 1PPS: you can use an Arm micro such as the Philips LPC2102 series to generate a 1PPS output with 16.7ns settability: these micros have counter/timers

Re: [time-nuts] Frequency Dividers

2006-08-08 Thread Tom Van Baak
Let me add this photo - I found in a box my first attempt to make a PPS divider as well as an early breadboard prototype of the much simpler, PIC-based, divider. http://www.leapsecond.com/pages/ppsdiv/ver1.jpg /tvb ___ time-nuts mailing list

Re: [time-nuts] Frequency Dividers

2006-08-08 Thread John Ackermann N8UR
Randy Warner said the following on 08/08/2006 03:23 PM: I have been seeing a lot of traffic concerning making 10MHz frequency dividers using PIC's. While they provide an elegant solution to providing an accurate 1PPS from a precision source, I have to ask if there is a reason for going this

Re: [time-nuts] Frequency Dividers

2006-08-08 Thread Magnus Danielson
From: Tom Van Baak [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Frequency Dividers Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2006 14:16:24 -0700 Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Let me add this photo - I found in a box my first attempt to make a PPS divider as well as an early breadboard prototype of the much simpler, PIC

Re: [time-nuts] Frequency Dividers

2006-08-08 Thread Randy Warner
:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of John Ackermann N8UR Sent: Tuesday, August 08, 2006 2:31 PM To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Frequency Dividers Randy Warner said the following on 08/08/2006 03:23 PM: I have been seeing a lot of traffic concerning making

Re: [time-nuts] Frequency Dividers

2006-08-08 Thread SAIDJACK
In a message dated 8/8/2006 14:29:38 Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hi Randy, the Micro's allow you to do other stuff, like discipline the OCXO as well :) BTW: I took a closer look at the Sparkfun board, the chip has a bunch more Match outputs than I thought. The

Re: [time-nuts] Frequency Dividers

2006-08-08 Thread Tom Van Baak
I understand that the micros work fine, it just seemed like you would need a second one to discipline the OCXO because of the timing constraints on the divider. Correct. But at $2+/- each it's easy to use one uC for a divider and another uC for the GPSDO algorithm. Yet another for an IRIG

Re: [time-nuts] Frequency Dividers

2006-08-08 Thread Randy Warner
08, 2006 5:39 PM To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Frequency Dividers I understand that the micros work fine, it just seemed like you would need a second one to discipline the OCXO because of the timing constraints on the divider. Correct

Re: [time-nuts] Frequency Dividers

2006-08-08 Thread Dave Andersen
Tom Van Baak wrote: I understand that the micros work fine, it just seemed like you would need a second one to discipline the OCXO because of the timing constraints on the divider. Correct. But at $2+/- each it's easy to use one uC for a divider and another uC for the GPSDO algorithm. Yet

Re: [time-nuts] Frequency Dividers

2006-08-08 Thread Hal Murray
I have been seeing a lot of traffic concerning making 10MHz frequency dividers using PIC's. While they provide an elegant solution to providing an accurate 1PPS from a precision source, I have to ask if there is a reason for going this route? I am just using three HCT40103 down counters

Re: [time-nuts] Frequency Dividers

2006-08-08 Thread Didier Juges
I have used a number of pll controlled microcontrollers, and I would not recommend using one of those in a timing application such as those discussed here. These PLLs are generally not very clean spectrally (it's actually a good thing for EMI, some chips have purposeful spread spectrum clocks)