Re: [time-nuts] Mechanical 1PPS Oscillator Disciplining

2015-01-10 Thread Bill Hawkins
measurement Subject: [time-nuts] Mechanical 1PPS Oscillator Disciplining From a fascinating (albeit long) article about transatlantic communication cables http://archive.wired.com/wired/archive/4.12/ffglass.html On the bottom of page 45 to the top of page 46 Each piece of equipment

Re: [time-nuts] Mechanical 1PPS Oscillator Disciplining

2015-01-10 Thread Tom Van Baak
and frequency measurement time-nuts@febo.com Sent: Friday, January 09, 2015 3:27 PM Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Mechanical 1PPS Oscillator Disciplining yes, Ulrich's [ Rohde ] Father made a high precision clock around 1940, which had an electronically tuned mechanical oscillator. The vibrating

Re: [time-nuts] Mechanical 1PPS Oscillator Disciplining

2015-01-10 Thread David J Taylor
Hi Tom dividing down wasn't always necessary I have sample from the UK GPO Crystal Factory of NT-cut bars, quartz tuning fork, and Gapped Ring crystals, the latter marked 400cps (pre Hertz :-)) ) I think these are post WWII because they are mounted in IO base GT style tube envelopes. Dividers

Re: [time-nuts] Mechanical 1PPS Oscillator Disciplining

2015-01-10 Thread Bob Camp
Hi The speed of sound in quartz varies by axis, but only by about 2:1. The same basic physics that gets you a fundamental 5 MHz crystal that is at thickness Z gives you some dimension on a 5 KHz crystal that’s close to 1000 * Z. Very low frequency crystals pretty much have to be designed so

Re: [time-nuts] Mechanical 1PPS Oscillator Disciplining

2015-01-10 Thread Alan Melia
not looked too hard. Alan - Original Message - From: David J Taylor david-tay...@blueyonder.co.uk To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement time-nuts@febo.com Sent: Saturday, January 10, 2015 7:06 AM Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Mechanical 1PPS Oscillator Disciplining Hi Tom

Re: [time-nuts] Mechanical 1PPS Oscillator Disciplining

2015-01-10 Thread Chuck Harris
Similarly, the Tektronix 647 oscilloscope, uses a 4KHz quartz crystal oscillator, divided by 4 to form its 1KHz calibrator signal. You can hear the crystal resonate whenever the calibrator is turned on. The crystal is mounted in an elongated, hermetically sealed, HC7 style can. -Chuck Harris

Re: [time-nuts] Mechanical 1PPS Oscillator Disciplining

2015-01-10 Thread Bob Camp
Hi The mounting points are the standard locations for a flexure bar running the resonance along it’s length. The sandwich blank is a bit unique. The normal gate feedback style circuits will get the crystal running. The impedance will be quite high, so you will need a bit of gain. At low

Re: [time-nuts] Mechanical 1PPS Oscillator Disciplining

2015-01-10 Thread David J Taylor
Hi David yes I think I have seen similar but not as low as that. If you compare the suspension points the different vibrational mode should obvious.the suspension point is at a node. I think some of these are quite difficult to excite, I have not seen any suggested circuits but I have not

Re: [time-nuts] Mechanical 1PPS Oscillator Disciplining

2015-01-10 Thread Neville Michie
Back in about 1962 I joined a government research lab. My boss had bought a HP voltmeter (I remember it as being about a yard cubed) and a HP printer (also a yard cubed) and it printed out on 2 inch wide paper, like a cash register record. My boss's problem was that he wanted more precision in

Re: [time-nuts] Mechanical 1PPS Oscillator Disciplining

2015-01-10 Thread Brooke Clarke
Hi: You can see the 4 nodes on the Chinese Spouting bowl in my video at: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k68w3OrPztE When I got it from Cliff Stoll he had recommended using a wet towel to keep the bowl from moving but that damped the vibrations. I got 4 stick-on feet and placed them at the

Re: [time-nuts] Mechanical 1PPS Oscillator Disciplining

2015-01-10 Thread Hal Murray
hol...@hotmail.com said: Basically the solenoid nudged the pendulum There was an article in Scientific American many years ago. They used a magnet mounted on the end of a stick attached to the pendulum arm. The arc of the magnet swung through a hole in the middle of a solenoid coil. A

[time-nuts] Mechanical 1PPS Oscillator Disciplining

2015-01-10 Thread Mark Sims
Many years ago I built a GPSDPO (GPS Disciplined Pendulum Oscillator). A friend of mine inherited a grandfather clock built in the late 1700's. She had the movement cleaned and serviced and got the clock working fairly well, but it was not all that accurate. I built up a device using a

Re: [time-nuts] Mechanical 1PPS Oscillator Disciplining

2015-01-10 Thread Jim Lux
On 1/10/15 3:08 PM, Hal Murray wrote: hol...@hotmail.com said: Basically the solenoid nudged the pendulum There was an article in Scientific American many years ago. They used a magnet mounted on the end of a stick attached to the pendulum arm. The arc of the magnet swung through a hole in

Re: [time-nuts] Mechanical 1PPS Oscillator Disciplining

2015-01-10 Thread DaveH
...@febo.com] On Behalf Of Hal Murray Sent: Saturday, January 10, 2015 15:09 To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement Cc: hmur...@megapathdsl.net Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Mechanical 1PPS Oscillator Disciplining hol...@hotmail.com said: Basically the solenoid nudged

Re: [time-nuts] Mechanical 1PPS Oscillator Disciplining

2015-01-09 Thread Alan Melia
was not necessary. Alan G3NYK - Original Message - From: Tom Van Baak t...@leapsecond.com To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement time-nuts@febo.com Sent: Friday, January 09, 2015 9:51 PM Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Mechanical 1PPS Oscillator Disciplining Andy, Yes, Neal

Re: [time-nuts] Mechanical 1PPS Oscillator Disciplining

2015-01-09 Thread Alex Pummer
yes, Ulrich's [ Rohde ] Father made a high precision clock around 1940, which had an electronically tuned mechanical oscillator. The vibrating 400Hz tuning fork is phase locked to a quartz crystal oscillator, that was the most precise clock at that time, and it worked as I have seen it at

Re: [time-nuts] Mechanical 1PPS Oscillator Disciplining

2015-01-09 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
In message df7c7705-b1cc-4b8d-8bac-d471e2ab5...@bardagjy.com, Andy Bardagjy w rites: Does anyone know any other history about that particular piece of equipment? I seriously doubt those claims of precision. At datamuseum.dk we did a small booklet about the history of paper tape as a

Re: [time-nuts] Mechanical 1PPS Oscillator Disciplining

2015-01-09 Thread Tom Van Baak
measurement time-nuts@febo.com Sent: Friday, January 09, 2015 9:22 AM Subject: [time-nuts] Mechanical 1PPS Oscillator Disciplining From a fascinating (albeit long) article about transatlantic communication cables http://archive.wired.com/wired/archive/4.12/ffglass.html On the bottom of page 45

[time-nuts] Mechanical 1PPS Oscillator Disciplining

2015-01-09 Thread Andy Bardagjy
From a fascinating (albeit long) article about transatlantic communication cables http://archive.wired.com/wired/archive/4.12/ffglass.html On the bottom of page 45 to the top of page 46 Each piece of equipment on this tabletop is built around a motor that turns over at the same precise