Re: [time-nuts] Phase Noise of 74AC gates

2010-02-26 Thread gonzo .
I've been following the discussion of the noise introduced by 74AC gates with some interest. In an attempt to achieve a clean transition, I've been using gates from http://potatosemi.com/ Lacking the test equip. to verify the results, I've been taking the claimed specs at face value. I must

[time-nuts] Phase Noise of 74AC gates

2010-02-20 Thread Arthur Dent
I wrote: “The input uses a LT1016 10ns comparator as the input stage that drives several CD74AC00E quad nand gates” and got this response. “This is a terrible design.  The comparator will add considerable jitter.  What were they thinking? Rick Karlquist N6RK“ While my post was to show that

Re: [time-nuts] Phase Noise of 74AC gates - application

2010-02-20 Thread Bob Camp
Hi We do indeed make some assumptions when talking about frequency distribution. If the need it to drive the standard input on a couple of conventional counters and an economy class signal generator, that's one end of the output spectrum. If I want to use the signal to drive one side of a

[time-nuts] Phase Noise of 74AC gates

2010-02-19 Thread Martyn Smith
Hi All, I read Garry's email about using the 74AC04 as a distribution amplifier. Did I read it right, does Gary say you will get -178 dBc/Hz at 10 kHz offset??? Being one of only 3 or 4 companies in the world that manufactures distribution amplifiers that break the -170 dBc/Hz region at 10

[time-nuts] Phase Noise of 74AC gates

2010-02-19 Thread Arthur Dent
I picked up a used 10 Mhz distribution amplifier made by an English company. The input uses a LT1016 10ns comparator as the input stage that drives several CD74AC00E quad nand gates. The output from each AC00 I.C. is fed through filters to recreate a pretty good sinewave.

Re: [time-nuts] Phase Noise of 74AC gates

2010-02-19 Thread life speed
From: Martyn Smith mar...@ptsyst.com Subject: [time-nuts] Phase Noise of 74AC gates I'm not about to say how we achieve -170 dBc/Hz phase noise, but we definitely don't use op amps or logic gates!! Regards Martyn Is this an advertisement?  I don't think anybody believes a logic gate provides

Re: [time-nuts] Phase Noise of 74AC gates

2010-02-19 Thread Bruce Griffiths
Martyn Smith wrote: Hi All, I read Garry's email about using the 74AC04 as a distribution amplifier. Did I read it right, does Gary say you will get -178 dBc/Hz at 10 kHz offset??? Being one of only 3 or 4 companies in the world that manufactures distribution amplifiers that break the -170

Re: [time-nuts] Phase Noise of 74AC gates

2010-02-19 Thread Rick Karlquist
Bruce Griffiths wrote: He's made similar comments before. It actually isnt that difficult to achieve an isolation amplifier phase noise floor below -170dBc/Hz if one is careful to use appropriate parts, design techniques, and the input signal level is high enough. The real problem is

Re: [time-nuts] Phase Noise of 74AC gates

2010-02-19 Thread Rick Karlquist
Arthur Dent wrote: I picked up a used 10 Mhz distribution amplifier made by an English company. The input uses a LT1016 10ns comparator as the input stage that drives several CD74AC00E quad nand gates. The output from each AC00 I.C. is fed through filters to recreate a pretty good sinewave.

Re: [time-nuts] Phase Noise of 74AC gates

2010-02-19 Thread Bruce Griffiths
Rick Karlquist wrote: Bruce Griffiths wrote: He's made similar comments before. It actually isnt that difficult to achieve an isolation amplifier phase noise floor below -170dBc/Hz if one is careful to use appropriate parts, design techniques, and the input signal level is high enough. The