Re: [time-nuts] ADF4002 phase noise - in FireFly-IIA-100MHz

2010-03-11 Thread John Miles
from my limited understanding of things I would have guessed that the ADF4001/2 PFD's ability to produce very short pulses in the locked condition puts a lot of energy into higher harmonics of the PFD's output, making it more easy for the loop filter to remove them. In contrast to that the

Re: [time-nuts] nubie querie

2010-03-11 Thread Hal Murray
Concerning my query about what's good enough to count as a contact... We've done Moonbounce with 3mW (Hobart - Dwingeloo) in JT65 - but a 26m and a 25m dish is stretching 'amateur' a bit again. Googling for JT65 finds a nice paper:

Re: [time-nuts] nubie querie (Earth Venus Earth, done!)

2010-03-11 Thread Dave Baxter
Sorry, it's already been done I believe. http://freenet-homepage.de/dl4yhf/speclab/earth_venus_earth.htm Some years ago, like nearly 20, I helped some friends and built a 224 element broadside colinear aray for EME. It (eventualy) worked realy well. Echoes could be heard under good conditions

Re: [time-nuts] nubie querie

2010-03-11 Thread Magnus Danielson
Hal Murray wrote: Concerning my query about what's good enough to count as a contact... We've done Moonbounce with 3mW (Hobart - Dwingeloo) in JT65 - but a 26m and a 25m dish is stretching 'amateur' a bit again. Googling for JT65 finds a nice paper:

Re: [time-nuts] nubie querie

2010-03-11 Thread Hal Murray
mag...@rubidium.dyndns.org said: Their modulation scheme is 1 of 65 tones. 6 bits per baud. The extra tone is the synchronizing signal. 6 bits per symbol. 1 baud is 1 symbol per second. Happy to see someone using baud, just unhappy about seeing it being used incorrectly. Thanks for

Re: [time-nuts] nubie querie

2010-03-11 Thread Magnus Danielson
Hal Murray wrote: mag...@rubidium.dyndns.org said: Their modulation scheme is 1 of 65 tones. 6 bits per baud. The extra tone is the synchronizing signal. 6 bits per symbol. 1 baud is 1 symbol per second. Happy to see someone using baud, just unhappy about seeing it being used

Re: [time-nuts] Thermal time constant

2010-03-11 Thread David C. Partridge
Most building insulation foam sold here in UK has an Alu foil cladding on both sides ... Dave ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions

Re: [time-nuts] Thermal time constant

2010-03-11 Thread jimlux
Predrag Dukic wrote: How well depleted it really is? DU has about 1/3 the U235 of natural U, of which less than 1% is U235. All the isotopes are radioactive, but I don't recall what the relative activities are. I think U238 has a half live of 4E9 years or more, so not very many atoms

Re: [time-nuts] Thermal time constant

2010-03-11 Thread Brooke Clarke
Hi Bob: How about just wrapping the aluminum block in aluminum foil with the shiny side out. Then wrap the Styrofoam cube with the shiny side in before putting it in the aluminum box? Have Fun, Brooke Clarke http://www.PRC68.com Bob Camp wrote: Hi Since styrofoam is being rated as a

Re: [time-nuts] Lady Heather software help

2010-03-11 Thread SAL CORNACCHIA
Hi John, Thank You for taking the time, I am relatively New at this and would like to knows if I am interpreting the reading correctly.   Best regards, Sal C. Cornacchia Electronic RF Microwave Engineer (Ret.) From: John Miles jmi...@pop.net To:

Re: [time-nuts] Thermal time constant

2010-03-11 Thread Bob Camp
Hi Sounds cheaper than gold plating. I'd put a couple layers of foil in the 8 of foam as well. Maybe a layer every 2. Bob -Original Message- From: time-nuts-boun...@febo.com [mailto:time-nuts-boun...@febo.com] On Behalf Of Brooke Clarke Sent: Thursday, March 11, 2010 9:48 AM To:

Re: [time-nuts] HP10811 taxonomy?

2010-03-11 Thread Richard (Rick) Karlquist
It is entirely possible that a 10544 could have excellent aging and beat a 10811. The SC cut doesn't improve aging. The other disadvantages of the 10544 in terms of electronics also don't affect aging. The main advantage of the 10811 is that it is much better from a cold start in an

Re: [time-nuts] HP10811 taxonomy?

2010-03-11 Thread Bob Camp
Hi A couple of possibilities: The 10544 has a bigger lump of quartz (BT is thicker) in it = good for aging. The 10544 could have been on power a lot longer = good for aging. Bob -Original Message- From: time-nuts-boun...@febo.com [mailto:time-nuts-boun...@febo.com] On Behalf Of

Re: [time-nuts] Thermal time constant

2010-03-11 Thread Bob Camp
Hi Also true here in the US, but not for Styrofoam. Bob -Original Message- From: time-nuts-boun...@febo.com [mailto:time-nuts-boun...@febo.com] On Behalf Of David C. Partridge Sent: Thursday, March 11, 2010 8:53 AM To: 'Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement' Subject: Re:

Re: [time-nuts] nubie querie (Earth Venus Earth, done!)

2010-03-11 Thread Don Latham
I think the Dutch have done EVE; seems something passed by on Moon-Net in the past year... Don Dave Baxter Sorry, it's already been done I believe. http://freenet-homepage.de/dl4yhf/speclab/earth_venus_earth.htm Some years ago, like nearly 20, I helped some friends and built a 224 element

Re: [time-nuts] nubie querie (Earth Venus Earth, done!)

2010-03-11 Thread Marco IK1ODO
At 20.33 11/03/2010, you wrote: I think the Dutch have done EVE; seems something passed by on Moon-Net in the past year... Don AMSAT DL, one year ago, using 6kW CW (injection locked magnetron) on 13 cm and a big parabolic reflector. See http://www.arrl.org/news/stories/2009/03/31/10738/?nc=1

Re: [time-nuts] ADF4002 phase noise - in FireFly-IIA-100MHz

2010-03-11 Thread Henk
Hi, In order to avoid a dead zone in a phase detector there is a current pulse in both the up and the down source. The net result when locked is zero but the noise is still there. Therefor the moved charge in lock should be as low as possible. The up and down currents must be as short as

Re: [time-nuts] ADF4002 phase noise - in FireFly-IIA-100MHz

2010-03-11 Thread Bruce Griffiths
Thats only true when the current source noise dominates. When switching jitter on the pulse eges dominates the pulse width has no effect (to first order) on the noise. Since the supply rails are relatively noisy in an FPGA the current source noise will usually dominate in a CMOS XOR

Re: [time-nuts] ADF4002 phase noise - in FireFly-IIA-100MHz

2010-03-11 Thread Bob Camp
Hi If you are running a synthesizer with a 1 KHz reference frequency and trying to use a 900 MHz VCO for the output, reference spurs are going to be a major issue. If you are going straight from 10 MHz to 100 MHz with a crystal oscillator at 100 MHz, reference spurs should not be a

[time-nuts] 5370B OCXO

2010-03-11 Thread Bob Camp
Hi The OCXO in the 5370B is a 10811-60111. The only added spec on it is a 1x10^-11 ADEV spec at 1 second. By modern standards that's not a real tight spec. There are other 10811's with tighter specs on them at 1 second. My guess is that it was not a real tight spec for the 10811 to hit. The

Re: [time-nuts] 5370B OCXO

2010-03-11 Thread John Miles
Many if not most 5370-based measurements are based on differential timing between the START and STOP channels, and wouldn't benefit from a better 10 MHz reference. If a customer did need something better, they probably already had a house standard to pipe in the back... and if not, HP would have

Re: [time-nuts] Thermal time constant

2010-03-11 Thread Matt Osborn
Jack Smith at Clifton Laboratories built a replacement for the 1502 chart recorders. An early prototype can be seen here: http://www.cliftonlaboratories.com/mar_2007.htm On Thu, 11 Mar 2010 04:51:00 +, Mark Sims hol...@hotmail.com wrote: Gawd, tell me about it... I just got through

[time-nuts] Thunderbolt antenna?

2010-03-11 Thread Dave hartzell
Hello, I'm looking for a decent outdoor antenna for my Thunderbolt... I need to graduate beyond the puck-antenna in the window sill. Any recommendations and/or sources (the lower cost, the better of course!)? Thanks, Dave ___ time-nuts mailing list

[time-nuts] Thunderbolt antenna?

2010-03-11 Thread Mark Sims
It doesn't get any better than Ebay item 270262189976... I've tested a couple dozen antennas and nothing comes close to what it does... It's big. It's pricey (but FAR less than the $2000+ original cost). It's good. --- I'm looking for a decent outdoor antenna for my Thunderbolt...

[time-nuts] Thermal time constant

2010-03-11 Thread Mark Sims
That's the 1502/1503 chart recorder that uses a hot stylus and paper roll with a punched timing track. Paper is available at $25-$36 a roll (min purchase 10 rolls). I have a mod that lets you use $1-$2 a roll ECG paper. The 1502B/1503B/1502C/1503C are a different animal. Their chart

[time-nuts] [FS] New Gigatronics 2408AL 10MHz - 8GHz signal generator

2010-03-11 Thread Peter Loron
Hello, folks. I have a Giga-tronics 20408AL signal generator for sale. It does 10MHz - 8GHz. I believe it to be new and uninstalled. It is in immaculate physical condition. It was originally sold in 2007 and has a factory cal sticker from May 17, 2007. It is packed in the factory box with