Re: [time-nuts] Pulsar Source?

2012-03-30 Thread Javier Herrero
El 30/03/2012 05:02, Jim Lux escribió: and orientation. Sort of like a super star tracker all in one! (You can see why NASA is interested..) And ESA. Last year they published an invitation to tender called Deep Space Navigation with Pulsars, with the following description excerpt: The

Re: [time-nuts] Pulsar Source?

2012-03-30 Thread Hal Murray
act...@hotmail.com said: Forth: The problems I foresee are can an practical algorithm accounting for the complex motion of all these bodies be built ... Radio astronomers are pretty good at that sort of calculation. Google for VLBI. The key step for VLBI is modeling the exact location of

[time-nuts] Opera coordinator has resigned

2012-03-30 Thread iov...@inwind.it
http://inagist.com/all/185697069783195648/ Personally I'm sorry about such an end of the story. Antonio I8IOV ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the

Re: [time-nuts] Opera coordinator has resigned

2012-03-30 Thread Javier Serrano
On Fri, Mar 30, 2012 at 3:07 PM, iov...@inwind.it iov...@inwind.it wrote: http://inagist.com/all/185697069783195648/ Personally I'm sorry about such an end of the story. There was a meeting in Gran Sasso on Wednesday. You can see some of the slides at

Re: [time-nuts] Opera coordinator has resigned

2012-03-30 Thread Javier Herrero
El 30/03/2012 16:55, Javier Serrano escribió: On Fri, Mar 30, 2012 at 3:07 PM, iov...@inwind.itiov...@inwind.it wrote: http://inagist.com/all/185697069783195648/ Personally I'm sorry about such an end of the story. There was a meeting in Gran Sasso on Wednesday. You can see some of the

Re: [time-nuts] Yahoo group not receiving email

2012-03-30 Thread Rob Kimberley
My internet provider here in the UK is BT, and BT use Yahoo. I do need to check the BT-Yahoo account on my web browser periodically as their spam filtering is a bit aggressive and a few genuine emails (usually from Time Nuts) get put in the Spam bin. Other than that I have few problems. Rob

Re: [time-nuts] CW12-TIM vs M12M and the world

2012-03-30 Thread Said Jackson
I've evaluated various of their products including the 125 NCOs boards, and they are worse than 2ns in real world environments.. The m12+ timing replacement unit also only supports a small subset of the Motorola command set. It was useless as a replacement receiver for our Fury GPSDO when we

Re: [time-nuts] CW12-TIM vs M12M and the world

2012-03-30 Thread Said Jackson
Hello Ed, Azelio, We should also compare the same parameters. Sawtooth error of the m12+ of +/-25ns is not its standard deviation, it's max/min. Compare that number to your 30ns max/min measurement on the 5372a. Standard deviation of the m12+ is around 2ns with correction. That needs to be

Re: [time-nuts] Opera coordinator has resigned

2012-03-30 Thread paul swed
I have to say that in general I have been staying clear of this thread. But its really a surprise that they are that sloppy and basing the results on a Vectron OCXO. Not that I have ever had a complaint about those. It just seems like the stunt I would do in the basement on my surplus accelerator.

Re: [time-nuts] CW12-TIM vs M12M and the world

2012-03-30 Thread Ed Palmer
Hi Said, On 3/30/2012 10:53 AM, Said Jackson wrote: Hello Ed, Azelio, We should also compare the same parameters. Sawtooth error of the m12+ of +/-25ns is not its standard deviation, it's max/min. Compare that number to your 30ns max/min measurement on the 5372a. Yes, you're right. Thanks

Re: [time-nuts] Opera coordinator has resigned

2012-03-30 Thread J. Forster
There are failures and there are failures. A negative result is a failure that is worth reporting. A failure due to an improperly mated connector... not so much. When doing a complex experiment, you have to be an absolute SOB about everything. You cannot inspect in quality. YMMV, -John

Re: [time-nuts] CW12-TIM vs M12M and the world

2012-03-30 Thread SAIDJACK
Hi Ed, no problem. It's an issue when some companies claim 2ns, when it's really 5ns. Or show phase noise plots that seem to be measurements of just the oscillator removed from the board and measured in a clean-room environment, not measurements of the module with all the digital control

Re: [time-nuts] CW12-TIM vs M12M and the world

2012-03-30 Thread Azelio Boriani
Actually I don't have a good reference (Z3815A): I'm still preparing my first disciplined Rb and have 2 Fluke PM6681s. I'm waiting for my SR620, it should be on its way to Italy right now. I have 2 TBolts but not yet turned on. What kind of reference have you used? On Fri, Mar 30, 2012 at 8:10

Re: [time-nuts] Opera coordinator has resigned

2012-03-30 Thread Javier Serrano
On Fri, Mar 30, 2012 at 7:42 PM, J. Forster j...@quikus.com wrote: There are failures and there are failures. A negative result is a failure that is worth reporting. A failure due to an improperly mated connector...  not so much. That is saying to anyone who wants to do a similar experiment in

Re: [time-nuts] CW12-TIM vs M12M and the world

2012-03-30 Thread Tom Knox
Has anyone compared the M12M to the M12+? Thanks for all the input, it is really appreciated. best wishes; Thomas Knox CC: time-nuts@febo.com From: saidj...@aol.com Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2012 09:53:17 -0700 To: time-nuts@febo.com Subject: Re: [time-nuts] CW12-TIM vs M12M and the world

Re: [time-nuts] Opera coordinator has resigned

2012-03-30 Thread J. Forster
On Fri, Mar 30, 2012 at 7:42 PM, J. Forster j...@quikus.com wrote: There are failures and there are failures. A negative result is a failure that is worth reporting. A failure due to an improperly mated connector...  not so much. That is saying to anyone who wants to do a similar experiment

Re: [time-nuts] Opera coordinator has resigned

2012-03-30 Thread iov...@inwind.it
May anybody out there explain why the connector was simply photographed, and not put in place, on October 13, that is one month before the updated version (Nov 17) of the Opera paper? Antonio I8IOV ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To

Re: [time-nuts] Opera coordinator has resigned

2012-03-30 Thread Javier Herrero
I suppose that when it was photographed, nobody noticed it. After noticed that it was no correctly plugged-in, the past pictures were reviewed and found that in fact it was not fully plugged in :) El 31/03/2012 01:04, iov...@inwind.it escribió: May anybody out there explain why the connector

Re: [time-nuts] Opera coordinator has resigned

2012-03-30 Thread Brooke Clarke
Hi: I take a lot of photos for my web pages and every now and then I go back and find something that was in a photo that I missed when it was taken. It's quite possible that the displayed photos were cropped from larger images showing more of the system. Have Fun, Brooke Clarke

Re: [time-nuts] Opera coordinator has resigned

2012-03-30 Thread Jim Lux
On 3/30/12 4:16 PM, Javier Herrero wrote: I suppose that when it was photographed, nobody noticed it. After noticed that it was no correctly plugged-in, the past pictures were reviewed and found that in fact it was not fully plugged in :) We do this all the time at JPL. You have someone come

Re: [time-nuts] HP Z3801A Sale

2012-03-30 Thread Eric Lemmon
Larry, There really is nothing much to this modification. The Z3801A is already designed to easily work on either interface, but most units are configured for RS-422 as the default. It takes perhaps a half-hour to remove a few zero-ohm SMD resistors and solder in a header strip. The simple

Re: [time-nuts] Opera coordinator has resigned

2012-03-30 Thread Sanjeev Gupta
. On Mar 30, 2012 10:45 PM, paul swed paulsw...@gmail.com wrote: I have to say that in general I have been staying clear of this thread. But its really a surprise that they are that sloppy and basing the results on a Vectron OCXO. Not that I have ever had a complaint about those. It just

Re: [time-nuts] HP Z3801A Sale

2012-03-30 Thread Jim Lux
On 3/30/12 8:43 PM, Larry McDavid wrote: On 2/16/2012 Brad Stockdale announced here on Time-Nuts that he had a HP Z3801A GPSDO for sale. I corresponded with Brad several times and he reported that he sold one Z3801A to a list member and that this unit had been modified to provide RS-232 rather