[time-nuts] ANN: UK Ofcom Update: GPS Jamming Notice, 18 and 22 March 2013

2012-12-14 Thread David J Taylor
Folks, I have received the following: _ NOTIFICATION OF GPS JAMMING EXERCISE STANFORD TRAINING AREA, EAST ANGLIA, March 2013 Dates: Between 18 and 22 March 2013. Times: 0900 -1700 GMT. Location of MULTIPLE jammers: Land based within 5km of N52° 29.0' E000°

Re: [time-nuts] Thunderbolt oven / non-stable operating temperature

2012-12-14 Thread Charles P. Steinmetz
tvb wrote: do either of you have actual tempco numbers? I checked my notes and found that I did not record any free-running tempco values. My observations were based on the scale factors I had to use to get the temperature and DAC graphs in Lady Heather to overlay each other. I initially

Re: [time-nuts] Thunderbolt oven / non-stable operating temperature

2012-12-14 Thread Bob Camp
Hi LH can get a bit confused about OCXO tempo. It's not really the software's fault, as you point out - the data just isn't there. Bob On Dec 14, 2012, at 5:36 AM, Charles P. Steinmetz charles_steinm...@lavabit.com wrote: tvb wrote: do either of you have actual tempco numbers? I

Re: [time-nuts] B-1B bomber time reference

2012-12-14 Thread Bob Camp
Hi Ummm…… e….. wasn't the ARC-164 the original HAVE QUICK radio? They certainly came out in both HAVE QUICK I and HAVE QUICK II versions. Yes, that was 30 years ago…. Bob On Dec 14, 2012, at 1:24 AM, Peter Bell bell.pe...@gmail.com wrote: One of the very first time related projects I

Re: [time-nuts] B-1B bomber time reference

2012-12-14 Thread Robert Atkinson
Several years ago I bought a very nice 24U EMC screend cabinet at auction. It had an Odetics SatSync GPSDo with a rubidium reference, dual redundant power supplies, a logic box and an AN/ARC164 UHF transceiverin a 19 rack chassis. It was a shipborne havequick timing reference. I still have the

Re: [time-nuts] Thunderbolt oven / non-stable operating temperature

2012-12-14 Thread Tom Van Baak
I think what I'll do is collect some data on a batch of TBolts that I have soaking here. It seems to me there's enough information that, over time, the tempco can be accurately determined. I mean, when you see LH plots with glaring diurnal patterns in both temp and DAC it's easy to roughly

Re: [time-nuts] Synergy SSR-6TR

2012-12-14 Thread paul swed
David Unfortunately as easy as that is to do that would remove me from the buy 1 list. Sorry. You need a timenut that doesn't want one. :-) Paul WB8TSL On Fri, Dec 14, 2012 at 1:52 AM, David J Taylor david-tay...@blueyonder.co.uk wrote: From: Don Latham Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2012 9:26

Re: [time-nuts] Synergy SSR-6TR

2012-12-14 Thread David J Taylor
David Unfortunately as easy as that is to do that would remove me from the buy 1 list. Sorry. You need a timenut that doesn't want one. :-) Paul WB8TSL == Yes, I appreciate that, Paul. Why I said almost considered. But if there is someone willing, I would be

Re: [time-nuts] Synergy SSR-6TR

2012-12-14 Thread Erno Peres
Hi David, I am interested about this GPS module but to get here in Hungary it is also around 60-80 USD... Rgds Ernie. -Original Message- From: David J Taylor david-tay...@blueyonder.co.uk To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement time-nuts@febo.com Sent: Fri, Dec 14,

Re: [time-nuts] B-1B bomber time reference

2012-12-14 Thread Peter Bell
It was certainly one of the very first radios with it - but there was also a non HQ version (the most obvious sign was that the synthesizer slice just had Synth rather than Synth/ECCM on it. The RAF in the UK had a bunch of them and wanted to modify them to HQ spec for interoperability - the

Re: [time-nuts] B-1B bomber time reference

2012-12-14 Thread Bob Camp
Hi The ARC-164 most certainly existed long before HAVE QUICK came along. My only point was that HAVE QUICK didn't exist before the ARC-164 got it. Bob On Dec 14, 2012, at 9:46 AM, Peter Bell bell.pe...@gmail.com wrote: It was certainly one of the very first radios with it - but there was

Re: [time-nuts] Synergy SSR-6TR

2012-12-14 Thread EWKehren
Maybe some one with good Synergy connections can convince them that an overseas time-nut can buy and pay but use an US time-nut for shipping that in turn will forward it. I understand the cost involved for a Synergy because of the paperwork, but I ship regularly oversees with USPS as some of

Re: [time-nuts] Synergy SSR-6TR

2012-12-14 Thread Robert LaJeunesse
David, Any chance you can buy it in your name and have it shipped somewhere in the States? That person then can forward it without losing their chance to get one as well. I have no experience shipping overseas but will second Bert's suggestion plus volunteer myself to do it, if need be. How

Re: [time-nuts] Synergy SSR-6TR

2012-12-14 Thread David J Taylor
David, Any chance you can buy it in your name and have it shipped somewhere in the States? That person then can forward it without losing their chance to get one as well. I have no experience shipping overseas but will second Bert's suggestion plus volunteer myself to do it, if need be. How

[time-nuts] FS: HP 48gx with cable books and docs

2012-12-14 Thread Lizeth Norman
Hi all! My 48gx is up for sale. Included are the following items db-9 to calculator cable soft case with writing on it in marker. user's guide calculus on the hp 48gx calculus and precalculus on the 48gx An easy course in programming the 48gx The definitive user's guide to the 48g/gx 230 shipped

Re: [time-nuts] FS: HP 48gx with cable books and docs

2012-12-14 Thread Tom Van Baak (lab)
Norm, No cross-posting on this list, please. Your email has nothing to do with time/frequency. /tvb (iPhone4) On Dec 14, 2012, at 10:25 AM, Lizeth Norman normanliz...@gmail.com wrote: Hi all! My 48gx is up for sale. Included are the following items db-9 to calculator cable soft case with

Re: [time-nuts] Synergy SSR-6TR

2012-12-14 Thread Sarah White
Sorry, this is off-topic: Wondering I'm if anyone else had part of this particular conversation / thread (Synergy SSR-6TR) sent to their spam folder or otherwise filtered? From what I suspect, it was just a false-positive, as the conversation didn't appear to be spam, wondering if the word

Re: [time-nuts] FS: HP 48gx with cable books and docs

2012-12-14 Thread Lizeth Norman
Tom, Already got yelled at by jra! Norm no feelings hurt. I am truly sorry! On Fri, Dec 14, 2012 at 1:35 PM, Tom Van Baak (lab) t...@leapsecond.com wrote: Norm, No cross-posting on this list, please. Your email has nothing to do with time/frequency. /tvb (iPhone4) On Dec 14, 2012, at

Re: [time-nuts] Thunderbolt oven / non-stable operating temperature

2012-12-14 Thread Sarah White
On 12/11/2012 10:33 PM, Charles P. Steinmetz wrote: All three have Trimble 37265 OCXOs (( sorry to single out that one line )) Just a curiosity. Is there any way to check that via software? Did you just physically look under the cover, or how did you figure out which type of oscillator your

Re: [time-nuts] Synergy SSR-6TR

2012-12-14 Thread paul swed
I use gmail and no problem from what I can see. On Fri, Dec 14, 2012 at 1:38 PM, Sarah White kuze...@gmail.com wrote: Sorry, this is off-topic: Wondering I'm if anyone else had part of this particular conversation / thread (Synergy SSR-6TR) sent to their spam folder or otherwise filtered?

Re: [time-nuts] Thunderbolt oven / non-stable operating temperature

2012-12-14 Thread Bob Camp
Hi The OCXO is a dumb version. It does not talk to the TBolt. There's no way to check it in software. There are a few examples out there that have late model stickers on the outside and earlier parts on the inside. There's pretty much no way to know what you have without opening up the box.

Re: [time-nuts] Synergy SSR-6TR

2012-12-14 Thread mike cook
gmail did the same for me Sahra but it is not systematic. This mail from you was classified ok, but Bert Kehren's got flagged. Le 14 déc. 2012 à 19:38, Sarah White a écrit : Sorry, this is off-topic: Wondering I'm if anyone else had part of this particular conversation / thread (Synergy

Re: [time-nuts] Synergy SSR-6TR

2012-12-14 Thread Bob Camp
Hi Obviously Google is out to get Bert…. :) Bob On Dec 14, 2012, at 2:07 PM, mike cook mc235...@gmail.com wrote: gmail did the same for me Sahra but it is not systematic. This mail from you was classified ok, but Bert Kehren's got flagged. Le 14 déc. 2012 à 19:38, Sarah White a écrit :

Re: [time-nuts] Thunderbolt oven / non-stable operating temperature

2012-12-14 Thread Charles P. Steinmetz
Sarah wrote: All three have Trimble 37265 OCXOs Just a curiosity. Is there any way to check that via software? Did you just physically look under the cover, or how did you figure out which type of oscillator your thunderbolt has? You need to open it up. There is a sticker on the OXCO can:

Re: [time-nuts] Thunderbolt oven / non-stable operating temperature

2012-12-14 Thread Charles P. Steinmetz
tvb wrote: the tempco can be inferred from temp and quadratic PPS offset residuals (EFC gain is not a factor in this case) It would be interesting (to me, at least) to know the spread of EFC gains from a reasonable population of Tbolts. Best regards, Charles

Re: [time-nuts] Thunderbolt oven / non-stable operating temperature

2012-12-14 Thread Bob Camp
Hi The real answer to that is going to be a that depends kind of thing. The population of units in the basement are all within 20% of each other as measured by LH's auto tune process. Bob On Dec 14, 2012, at 2:51 PM, Charles P. Steinmetz charles_steinm...@lavabit.com wrote: tvb wrote:

Re: [time-nuts] RaspberryPi and RADclock

2012-12-14 Thread paul swed
I suspect my question became lost in the thread. Can the Rasberry with RADclock be used as a NTP server? Thanks Paul WB8TSL On Thu, Dec 13, 2012 at 8:17 AM, Peter Bell bell.pe...@gmail.com wrote: I used to have some ancient microwave stuff that was marked in kMc/s rather than GHz. On Thu,

Re: [time-nuts] RaspberryPi and RADclock

2012-12-14 Thread mike cook
Le 14 déc. 2012 à 21:12, paul swed a écrit : I suspect my question became lost in the thread. Can the Rasberry with RADclock be used as a NTP server? Looking at the doc on the synclab.org site it appears that it can in the sense that you can configure clients with radclock running to send

Re: [time-nuts] RaspberryPi and RADclock

2012-12-14 Thread paul swed
Thanks Mike On Fri, Dec 14, 2012 at 4:45 PM, mike cook mc235...@gmail.com wrote: Le 14 déc. 2012 à 21:12, paul swed a écrit : I suspect my question became lost in the thread. Can the Rasberry with RADclock be used as a NTP server? Looking at the doc on the synclab.org site it appears

Re: [time-nuts] B-1B bomber time reference

2012-12-14 Thread Peter Bell
Ah, OK - I didn't realize that it was actually the first HQ radio - all I knew was that it was the first one that I saw... On Fri, Dec 14, 2012 at 10:49 PM, Bob Camp li...@rtty.us wrote: Hi The ARC-164 most certainly existed long before HAVE QUICK came along. My only point was that HAVE

Re: [time-nuts] RaspberryPi and RADclock

2012-12-14 Thread Matt Davis
From: paul swed paulsw...@gmail.com I suspect my question became lost in the thread. Can the Rasberry with RADclock be used as a NTP server? Thanks Paul WB8TSL Hi Paul, RADclock does have a mode where it can speak NTP as a server. We have not yet tested this mode on the PI where it was

Re: [time-nuts] RaspberryPi and RADclock

2012-12-14 Thread paul swed
Thanks. I really like the idea that a Rassberry Pi could be a time server. Maybe enough to get me going. Thanks On Fri, Dec 14, 2012 at 9:03 PM, Matt Davis mattdav...@gmail.com wrote: From: paul swed paulsw...@gmail.com I suspect my question became lost in the thread. Can the Rasberry with

Re: [time-nuts] RaspberryPi and RADclock

2012-12-14 Thread Bob Camp
Hi The question is going to be - how accurate is it? Bob On Dec 14, 2012, at 9:51 PM, paul swed paulsw...@gmail.com wrote: Thanks. I really like the idea that a Rassberry Pi could be a time server. Maybe enough to get me going. Thanks On Fri, Dec 14, 2012 at 9:03 PM, Matt Davis

Re: [time-nuts] Comparing PPS from 2 GPS units

2012-12-14 Thread SAIDJACK
Hi Tom, but they could have achieved the same exact result by using scientific notation such as: 2.3E-010 or: 2.30E-010 or: 23E-011 to note the higher internal resolution in the later case. I realize that one can easily parse these raw outputs, if one can write python or C etc

Re: [time-nuts] Comparing PPS from 2 GPS units

2012-12-14 Thread Hal Murray
saidj...@aol.com said: Time-Nuts, anyone willing to write this for the benefit of all? Does python run on Windows? If so, give me samples of input data and what you want as output. -- These are my opinions. I hate spam. ___ time-nuts

Re: [time-nuts] Comparing PPS from 2 GPS units

2012-12-14 Thread Bill Dailey
Yes it does. Sent from my iPad On Dec 14, 2012, at 10:47 PM, Hal Murray hmur...@megapathdsl.net wrote: saidj...@aol.com said: Time-Nuts, anyone willing to write this for the benefit of all? Does python run on Windows? If so, give me samples of input data and what you want as output.

Re: [time-nuts] Comparing PPS from 2 GPS units

2012-12-14 Thread Jim Lux
On 12/14/12 8:47 PM, Hal Murray wrote: saidj...@aol.com said: Time-Nuts, anyone willing to write this for the benefit of all? Does python run on Windows? If so, give me samples of input data and what you want as output. Sure.. there's several flavors.. I use Active Python

Re: [time-nuts] Inexpensive modular gps with 1pps

2012-12-14 Thread Sanjeev Gupta
On Fri, Nov 16, 2012 at 9:10 AM, Hal Murray hmur...@megapathdsl.net wrote: jim...@earthlink.net said: Big enough that Synergy Garmin have pricing for anywhere from 1 to 1000 units I don't know of any GPS units with PPS that are both low cost and no soldering. There are several low

Re: [time-nuts] RaspberryPi and RADclock

2012-12-14 Thread David J Taylor
From: paul swed Thanks. I really like the idea that a Rassberry Pi could be a time server. Maybe enough to get me going. Thanks === Paul, I wrote up my experiences with the Raspberry Pi as a standard NTP server here:

Re: [time-nuts] Inexpensive modular gps with 1pps

2012-12-14 Thread David J Taylor
Thank you, nice summary. One of my problems is that I am in Singapore. Soldering is not an issue in itself, but I cannot just order transistors and other small components online. You mention low cost units which require you to add a power connector, etc. Could you recommend any that can be

Re: [time-nuts] Inexpensive modular gps with 1pps

2012-12-14 Thread Mats Engstrom
How can being in Singapore be a problem for acquiring components online? Element14/Farnell have their Asian warehouse there, they even have free overnight delivery by courier to Malaysia where I currently live. ( Or just go offline and get down to Sim Lim tower and get your parts there ^_^_ )