[time-nuts] systron 6153 troubleshooting

2013-02-09 Thread Chris Howard
Any advice on troubleshooting the D channel of a Systron 6153 counter? ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.

Re: [time-nuts] FRK-L Rubidium

2013-02-09 Thread Bob Camp
Hi DAC clamped at -5 volts suggests that the TBolt has issues. First thing to check is the -12 volt supply. If it's missing, the DAC will indicate -5 on the screen and be sitting at 0 in real life. There are a couple other things in the DAC circuit that can make it malfunction. Bob On Feb 9,

Re: [time-nuts] FRK-L Rubidium

2013-02-09 Thread Bob Camp
Hi How old is the FRK? Does it look like it's been run without a heat sink for very long? They tend to get flaky if run for a while (many months) without heat sinking. There's nothing mysterious about it. The MTBF of the parts gets noticeably worse as the unit heats up. Bob On Feb 9, 2013,

Re: [time-nuts] Systron 6153 troubleshooting

2013-02-09 Thread Rob Kimberley
I wish I could remember! I used to service these and the 6053's in the 70's at Systron-Donner's UK office. I do know it will help if you make yourself an extender cable for the 14 (16?) pin dual in line red connector so you can get the input module on the bench. They usually suffered front end

Re: [time-nuts] FRK-L Rubidium

2013-02-09 Thread Garren Davis
Thanks for the reply. I found that the 12v current is only 60ma. I suppose that means the Osc. heater is not working. I'm not having much luck with this time nuts stuff. First the FRK and now the thunderbolt. Guess I'll start looking for another one. Garren On Feb 9, 2013, at 6:01 AM, Bob

Re: [time-nuts] FRK-L Rubidium

2013-02-09 Thread Bob Camp
Hi The +12 V supply at 60 ma likely means that the heater in the OCXO is not working. If you have 60 ma on the -12 V supply, it's pulling about 10X more than it should. Bob On Feb 9, 2013, at 10:01 AM, Garren Davis garren.da...@qlogic.com wrote: Thanks for the reply. I found that the 12v

[time-nuts] NTGS50AA Power supply

2013-02-09 Thread EB4APL
Hello, According to a Nortel specification document (Dual Voltage Global Positioning System Timing Module (GPSTM) OEM General Specification Dataset Name: GSBW50AA), this GPSDO is dual voltage and can be powered either from -48 V or + 24 V systems. Mine is working from a 48 V power supply but

Re: [time-nuts] truetime 820-350 display

2013-02-09 Thread paul swed
Yes that was the way they used to send differential data most likely a timecode signal, but also most likely not IRIG it would not have ever needed a triax feed. Triax was quite expensive and fell out of favor about 1985. How many of these things do you have?? Many of the old true-times like the

Re: [time-nuts] NTGS50AA Power supply

2013-02-09 Thread Bob Camp
Hi The most common way to design this gear is with an isolated supply. That eliminates a bunch of odd line fault issues. The easy way to check this is with an ohm meter. If it's isolated (and I'll bet it is) then polarity to ground isn't an issue. Polarity between the supply input pins is

Re: [time-nuts] NTGS50AA Power supply

2013-02-09 Thread Nathaniel Bezanson
Open it up, you'll find a bridge rectifier as the first component on the incoming power. It's actually much easier to solder straight to the pins of that component, rather than trying to bodge something together that would poke into the backplane connector. :) I know there's a TSIP command for

Re: [time-nuts] FRK-L Rubidium

2013-02-09 Thread Garren Davis
Found my problem with the FRK. R31 on the Osc board was burned and open. This was caused by a shorted C16. Replaced and it is now locked. The lock voltage is 12.7v. Is this good or should it be lower? Garren On Feb 9, 2013, at 6:10 AM, Bob Camp li...@rtty.us wrote: Hi How old is the

Re: [time-nuts] FRK-L Rubidium

2013-02-09 Thread Bob Camp
Hi Let it run for a couple of days. If it's still up at 11V, I'd tweak it down a bit. Bob On Feb 9, 2013, at 12:38 PM, Garren Davis garren.da...@qlogic.com wrote: Found my problem with the FRK. R31 on the Osc board was burned and open. This was caused by a shorted C16. Replaced and it is

Re: [time-nuts] FRK-L Rubidium

2013-02-09 Thread Dan Rae
Since we're offering up faults for the FRK, I'll add one that I've found: there's a CMOS 4060 oscillator that should go off at 8.128 kHz, set by an adjust on test R. If this drifts off enough the lock will never happen. It provides the FM frequency for the synth. Dan

Re: [time-nuts] FRK-L Rubidium

2013-02-09 Thread Tom Curlee
I'll add my own FRK-L failure story.  I have a FRK that suddenly stopped locking.  The 10 MHz was there, but off frequency so much that I couldn't adjust it to sweep over 10 MHz.  It suddenly occurred to me that the crystal oven housing should be hotter than just barely warm to the touch (it's

Re: [time-nuts] TrueTime 820-350 display

2013-02-09 Thread Rob Kimberley
I believe there were variations of IRIG which sent the signal (un-modulated or DC code) over a differential circuit, so Triax may have been used. Rob K -Original Message- From: time-nuts-boun...@febo.com [mailto:time-nuts-boun...@febo.com] On Behalf Of paul swed Sent: 09 February 2013

[time-nuts] Embedded NTP server ideas and feature requests

2013-02-09 Thread Michael Tharp
Greetings time-nuts, I've finally gotten the software for my NTP server project to the point where I'm comfortable shipping the boards I have now, so it's about time to spin the next revision. If you could take a minute to look over the feature list and let me know on- or off-list what you'd

Re: [time-nuts] NTGS50AA Power supply

2013-02-09 Thread EB4APL
Nate, I have it already connected to a 48 V supply according to the vendor instructions (fluke.l is a vendor with technical knowledge)and now I removed the PCB from the case that I furnished and found that my unit doesn´t have such bridge. Instead it have a quite elaborate reversal power

Re: [time-nuts] NTGS50AA Power supply

2013-02-09 Thread lists
Are the two diodes really back to back? I have use two in parallel to enhance the time the diodes will conducting. Due to current hogging, the diodes will effectively turn on one at a time. -Original Message- From: EB4APL eb4...@cembreros.jazztel.es Sender: time-nuts-boun...@febo.com

Re: [time-nuts] NTGS50AA Power supply

2013-02-09 Thread EB4APL
Bob, Thank you for your response. I already have it working with a 48 V floating supply, as per the vendor info (Bob Mokia, fluke.l), but I found in the referred documentation that maybe I could use a 24 V power supply if I need it. I bought only the PCB, not the original enclosure (too

Re: [time-nuts] NTGS50AA Power supply

2013-02-09 Thread Bob Camp
Hi I've never bothered to dig into the pps issues on the box. I have just been using the RF output. Bob On Feb 9, 2013, at 8:22 PM, EB4APL eb4...@cembreros.jazztel.es wrote: Bob, Thank you for your response. I already have it working with a 48 V floating supply, as per the vendor info

Re: [time-nuts] NTGS50AA Power supply

2013-02-09 Thread EB4APL
Maybe I didn't explained this quite well, I'm not good writing in English. So I try again: In the negative input first there is a forward biased diode, then a pair of fuses in parallel, and then the two diodes in series connected to the positive in the back direction, so if the input is

[time-nuts] NTGS50AA Power supply

2013-02-09 Thread Mark Sims
I looked into the 1PPS/2PPS issue on these Nortel units when I added support for them into Lady Heather. They do not appear to respond to the commands for changing to 1PPS. Also, they do not appear to save the oscillator disciplining parameters into EEPROM (at least using any of the

Re: [time-nuts] Embedded NTP server ideas and feature requests

2013-02-09 Thread Chris Albertson
Features? 1) Power the thing with power over Ethernet then you can remove the coaxial power input. Also this would make it real easy to place the server right at the antenna location. You would simply run cat-5 up to the roof. The mount the antenna on top of a water proof box with the server

Re: [time-nuts] Embedded NTP server ideas and feature requests

2013-02-09 Thread Michael Tharp
On 02/09/2013 08:35 PM, Chris Albertson wrote: Features? 1) Power the thing with power over Ethernet then you can remove the coaxial power input. Also this would make it real easy to place the server right at the antenna location. You would simply run cat-5 up to the roof. The mount the

Re: [time-nuts] NTGS50AA Power supply

2013-02-09 Thread lists
OK. I have the circuit now. Normally you would want to limit the reverse condition to one diode drop. At two silicon diodes, the chips themselves would start to turn on. Odd, but I assume the designers had a reason. -Original Message- From: EB4APL eb4...@cembreros.jazztel.es

Re: [time-nuts] FRK-L Rubidium

2013-02-09 Thread Ed Palmer
Hi Garren, Congrats on your repair. Since the crystal control voltage is spec'd as ~1 to 12 Vdc, you're apparently holding onto lock by the narrowest of margins. You definitely want to adjust the oscillator to bring that voltage closer to the middle of it's range. Ed On 2/9/2013 11:38