Re: [time-nuts] Measuring the accurcy of a wrist watch

2014-04-19 Thread DaveH
Hi Chris My concern was not the magnetization of the watch movement but the induction of eddy currents into the balance wheel which will cause drag. The act of moving the watch into the field of the pickup could cause the watch to start running more slowly. You will be getting a strong signal

Re: [time-nuts] Measuring the accurcy of a wrist watch

2014-04-19 Thread David C. Partridge
I too tried that and equally failed even with 52dB gain. I suspect that part of the trick is how the piezo is mounted: Quite possibly if mounted in a circular form held only at the edges, with the watch crown touching the centre it might be more sensitive than if the centre is clamped to the

Re: [time-nuts] time-nuts Digest, Vol 117, Issue 61

2014-04-19 Thread Magnus Danielson
Hi, On 04/18/2014 03:17 PM, HagaaarTheHorrible wrote: Hi Dave and thanks for the quick answer! My thesis is about a phase noise measurement device I developed, which primary use is to measure phase noise/jitter of audioband DACs. I probably won't be focussing on jitter too much but would like

Re: [time-nuts] quartz clock/watch question

2014-04-19 Thread iov...@inwind.it
For digital clocks with analog hands, a 1sec pulse is easily detected by an electric guitar pick-up. The pulse is the one fed to the stepping motor. I noticed this while playing (I wear the watch on my right arm). Antonio I8IOV Da: n1...@dartmouth.edu Data: 19/04/2014 6.00 I have done that as

Re: [time-nuts] Measuring the accurcy of a wrist watch

2014-04-19 Thread Chris Albertson
On Fri, Apr 18, 2014 at 10:37 PM, DaveH i...@blackmountainforge.com wrote: Hi Chris My concern was not the magnetization of the watch movement but the induction of eddy currents into the balance wheel which will cause drag. The act of moving the watch into the field of the pickup could

Re: [time-nuts] Measuring the accurcy of a wrist watch

2014-04-19 Thread Robert Darlington
Industry doesn't use microphones. It's piezo pickups or inductive pickups (coils) for things like tuning fork movements in accutrons. For quartz they use probes. http://forums.watchuseek.com/f6/watch-timing-microphone-646148.html On Sat, Apr 19, 2014 at 11:12 AM, Chris Albertson

[time-nuts] NTP and Oncore UT+

2014-04-19 Thread Bob Stewart
I've done as much as I can do with my little Adafruit, so I guess it's time to move to a timing receiver.  I already have a UT+, so I might as well make use of it.  My thought was to use the NTP refclock driver and probably take the sawtooth from SHMEM with a simple C program to pass to my

Re: [time-nuts] NTP and Oncore UT+

2014-04-19 Thread Bob Camp
Hi If you have a serial “thing” hooked to the GPS, pulling the sawtooth data out of it is not very hard. They all have some sort of repeating message that contains time / date / sawtooth information. Bob On Apr 19, 2014, at 4:58 PM, Bob Stewart b...@evoria.net wrote: I've done as much as I

Re: [time-nuts] NTP and Oncore UT+

2014-04-19 Thread Bob Stewart
Hi Bob, There seems to be some issue with this UT+ that I haven't dealt with.  After a cold boot it does not like to start up the comms.  There is apparently some handshake procedure to get it all up properly, as the demo version of SynTac's software didn't have any problem with getting it

[time-nuts] FS700 Loran-C Frequency Standard Schematics

2014-04-19 Thread GandalfG8
I have a manual for the Stanford Research FS700 but it's lacking the schematics, and so far I've been unable to find them. I anyone has copies they'd be willing to share, or could point me in the right direction, that would be much appreciated. Regards Nigel GM8PZR

Re: [time-nuts] NTP and Oncore UT+

2014-04-19 Thread Bob Stewart
Hi Bob, Somehow I missed that page in all the times I looked through the Oncore manuals I have.  I see various commands to tell it to change this or change that, but no clear path on how to talk to a UT+ that is mute but not bricked.  I'll go back through the PDFs I have.  Maybe I just don't

Re: [time-nuts] jitter effects in converters

2014-04-19 Thread Chris Caudle
Magnus wrote: Since you are into audio and jitter, look up Julian Dunn's papers and AES preprints. Specifically I would recommend you start with (in priority order): Bruno Putzeys and Renaud de Saint Moulin Effects of Jitter on AD/DA conversion. Specification of Clock Jitter Performance.

Re: [time-nuts] NTP and Oncore UT+

2014-04-19 Thread Bob Camp
Hi There are a series of init strings you send to any of these modules to get them into the “right” mode. There’s nothing secret about it. It’s all in the manuals for what ever board you have. You decide what you want it to send you and then tell it what to do. Bob On Apr 19, 2014, at 6:41

Re: [time-nuts] NTP and Oncore UT+

2014-04-19 Thread Chris Albertson
If you are running NTP, always you are going to need the PPS. This applies for any GPS receiver. The data you get over the serial port is never intended for timingIf you do not use PPS your NTP server will see the GPS as being such a poor clock that it will likely ignore it in favor of some

Re: [time-nuts] NTP and Oncore UT+

2014-04-19 Thread Bob Camp
Hi If you tell it to turn off all of the “broadcast” strings, it’s not going to be very helpful when powered up. If the baud rate is set to something nutty, that’s an issue as well. I normally figure out a command that is certain to give a response and then play with baud rate settings until I

Re: [time-nuts] NTP and Oncore UT+

2014-04-19 Thread Paul
On Sat, Apr 19, 2014 at 9:18 PM, Bob Stewart b...@evoria.net wrote: Somehow I missed that page in all the times I looked through the Oncore manuals I have. I see various commands to tell it to change this or change that, but no clear path on how to talk to a UT+ that is mute but not bricked.

Re: [time-nuts] NTP and Oncore UT+

2014-04-19 Thread Bob Stewart
Thanks Paul.  As I mentioned to Bob, I'll look through that.  I can still picture in my mind the code that does the startup.  I just reached my aggravation saturation point with it last summer and put in the Adafruit. Bob From: Paul tic-...@bodosom.net To:

Re: [time-nuts] Jitter Definition

2014-04-19 Thread HagaaarTheHorrible
Thanks a lot for the answers! I think I already have the G.810, will check the others too now. Also will try to get the Dunn/Putzeys papers mentioned from the other thread. Again thank you all very much! Best Regards Hag ___ time-nuts mailing list --