Re: [time-nuts] Help identifying a display board

2014-10-09 Thread ed breya
It could be a combined time display with a channel number and measured value, from some kind of data logging instrument. LN was big in thermocouple measurements and the like. With those digits you could show temperature at three digits resolution, selected channel 00-99, and hours and minutes,

Re: [time-nuts] Digital Mixing with a BeagleBone Black and D Flip Flop

2014-10-09 Thread Andrew Rodland
Simon, This is a fantastic idea and I have every intention of trying to replicate it at home with tools on hand. Thanks for sharing, and I hope you can show off some results. On Wed, Oct 8, 2014 at 1:09 PM, Simon Marsh subscripti...@burble.com wrote: I've been a lurker on time-nuts for a while,

[time-nuts] Sun Outage

2014-10-09 Thread Bob Stewart
Two days this week, there was a 3 or 4 minute outage on DirecTV as the sun aligned with the satellite and my dish. So I was wondering what kind of effect this has on the GPS system and especially timing receivers. Bob - AE6RV ___ time-nuts mailing

Re: [time-nuts] Sun Outage

2014-10-09 Thread Mike Feher
Bob - I do not believe it has any effect. The DirecTV satellites are geostationary at about 22K miles. I used to experience the same phenomenon in the late 70's with my TVRO receiver at C band. GPS has some 36 or so satellites in a Medium Earth Orbit (MEO). Blockage, if it can even occur due

Re: [time-nuts] Sun Outage

2014-10-09 Thread Chris Howard
If you had an exact timing for the outage, would that have told you the beam-width of your antenna? -- project for next spring :-) On 10/9/2014 1:04 PM, Mike Feher wrote: Bob - I do not believe it has any effect. The DirecTV satellites are geostationary at about 22K miles. I used to

Re: [time-nuts] Sun Outage

2014-10-09 Thread Hal Murray
b...@evoria.net said: Two days this week, there was a 3 or 4 minute outage on DirecTV as the sun aligned with the satellite and my dish. So I was wondering what kind of effect this has on the GPS system and especially timing receivers. Is there any easy way to get a signal/noise reading out

Re: [time-nuts] Sun Outage

2014-10-09 Thread Bob Stewart
Henry, I have more information and you may have explained it. The outages occurred at about 3:10PM, and with an azimuth here of about 180 degrees (which I just looked up), that makes no sense. Also, the cartoons I was recording for my granddaughter were unaffected, but the station I was

Re: [time-nuts] Sun Outage

2014-10-09 Thread Henry Hallam
On Thu, Oct 9, 2014 at 11:18 AM, Hal Murray hmur...@megapathdsl.net wrote: What's the beam width of the DirectTV antennas? Does it agree with the 3 or 4 minutes at the back-of-envelope level? DirecTV is a Ku/Ka-band system operating with a 460mm dish antenna. At Ka-band, the 3dB full-width of

Re: [time-nuts] Sun Outage

2014-10-09 Thread Chuck Forsberg WA7KGX
Standard GPS receiving antennas have a large beam width in order to cover most of the sky. Even in the Oregon Rainforest the sun is in view most of the day. Some satellite transponders have more power and are less prone to interference as they pass in front of the sun. Typical home TVROs

Re: [time-nuts] Sun Outage

2014-10-09 Thread paul swed
Exactly geosyncs have sun outages as the sun aligns with the sat and your dish. GPS because the sats are distributed do not suffer from the effect. Regards Paul WB8TSL On Thu, Oct 9, 2014 at 2:04 PM, Mike Feher mfe...@eozinc.com wrote: Bob - I do not believe it has any effect. The DirecTV

[time-nuts] Sun Outage

2014-10-09 Thread Mark Sims
The sun can have some effects on GPS signals, particularly when doing ultra-precisiony sorts of things. Version 4 of Lady Heather calculates the sun (and moon) positions (and moon phase) and can display them as part of the satellite position map (and analog watch display). This feature was

Re: [time-nuts] Sun Outage

2014-10-09 Thread Chuck Forsberg WA7KGX
Where is this Version 4 available? On 10/09/2014 01:28 PM, Mark Sims wrote: The sun can have some effects on GPS signals, particularly when doing ultra-precisiony sorts of things. Version 4 of Lady Heather calculates the sun (and moon) positions (and moon phase) and can display them as part

Re: [time-nuts] Sun Outage

2014-10-09 Thread Andrew Rodland
You pick up satellite TV with a parabolic dish that points at one spot in the sky where the geostationary satellite lives. A sun outage happens when the sun wanders into the focus and overloads the receiver with noise that drowns out the satellite signal (at least, it raises the noise floor enough

Re: [time-nuts] Sun Outage

2014-10-09 Thread Dr. David Kirkby (Kirkby Microwave Ltd)
On 9 Oct 2014 22:17, Andrew Rodland and...@cleverdomain.org wrote: You pick up satellite TV with a parabolic dish that points at one spot in the sky where the geostationary satellite lives. A sun outage happens when the sun wanders into the focus and overloads the receiver with noise that

[time-nuts] FE5440E Cesium parts wanted

2014-10-09 Thread Dan Rae
I'm looking for the A12 18V power supply and A8 secondary 5 MHz OCXO modules for an attempt to resurrect my Cesium unit before it gets too heavy for me to wrestle with... Does anyone have a parts unit or junker that they might be able to supply these from please? Thanks, Dan

Re: [time-nuts] Sun Outage

2014-10-09 Thread Graham
If you have an interest in trying to measure sun noise, you might like to have a look at the itty bitty radio telescope. (watch the line wrap) http://www.arrl.org/files/file/ETP/Radio%20Astronomy/Build%20a%20Homebrew%20Radio%20Telescope-QST-0609.pdf

Re: [time-nuts] Sun Outage

2014-10-09 Thread Brooke Clarke
Hi Bob: The geostationary sats are in a 24 hour orbit. The orbit is also in the plane of the Earth's equator. Because of these two facts they appear stationary. Also because of that twice a year near equinox the Sun will be directly behind the sat and the C/N goes to pot so no signal. I

Re: [time-nuts] Sun Outage

2014-10-09 Thread Brooke Clarke
Hi Dave: The small size of the Ku-band TV dish and that it's surface is covered with a flat type paint means there's little or no thermal heating of the receiver or feed. There were cases with the early C-band TVRO systems where they did melt the receiver. Have Fun, Brooke Clarke

Re: [time-nuts] Sun Outage

2014-10-09 Thread Dr. David Kirkby (Kirkby Microwave Ltd)
On 9 Oct 2014 23:28, Brooke Clarke bro...@pacific.net wrote: Hi Dave: The small size of the Ku-band TV dish and that it's surface is covered with a flat type paint means there's little or no thermal heating of the receiver or feed. There were cases with the early C-band TVRO systems where

Re: [time-nuts] Sun Outage

2014-10-09 Thread Brooke Clarke
Hi Graham: Do you know if anyone has used a Ku-band receiver, like described in the paper, to look at Jupiter? The Radio Jove project is looking between 18 and 40 MHz. http://radiojove.gsfc.nasa.gov/ Have Fun, Brooke Clarke, N6GCE http://www.PRC68.com

[time-nuts] GPS jump

2014-10-09 Thread Jim Palfreyman
Folks, We look after 5 separate hydrogen masers spread all over Australia and we collect tic phases between the masers and the GPS. On around ~Oct 7 we have noticed that the normal steady straight line (with standard daily noise) took a noticeable downward turn - on all 5 masers. Did anyone

Re: [time-nuts] GPS jump

2014-10-09 Thread John C. Westmoreland, P.E.
Hello Jim, I am just a novice here - but, when you say noticeable, can you please tell us how noticeable? What is a small downturn vs. a noticeable one? I just put up an outdoor GPS antenna. If there is anything I can do to possibly help, please give me instructions. I do not have direct

Re: [time-nuts] Sun Outage

2014-10-09 Thread Don Murray via time-nuts
Hello all... Not all satellite TV antennas are parabolic. A typical C-Band antenna is parabolic and aligned for one satellite. But, that could change if the feed was modified to receive multi-satellites, while the shape of the reflector remained parabolic. Or the antenna could be an

Re: [time-nuts] Sun Outage

2014-10-09 Thread Brooke Clarke
Hi Don: It's my understanding that all satellite dishes have a parabolic curve which focuses the signal on the feed. The C-band dish has a round outline and the feed is located along the dish center line. Most commercial Ku-band antennas have a parabolic curve, but have a elliptical or orange

Re: [time-nuts] Digital Mixing with a BeagleBone Black and D Flip Flop

2014-10-09 Thread Robert Darby
Simon, I breadboaded a set-up in March using 74AC74's and two 10 MHz Micro Crystal oscillators (5V square wave), one as the coherent source and one as the 10Hz offset clock. I had no glitch filtering as described in the article you cite (CERN's White Rabbit Project, sub nanosecond timing

Re: [time-nuts] GPS jump

2014-10-09 Thread Bob Camp
Hi GPS is steered by the Air Force last time I checked. A really good place to check is the NIST Time and Frequency pages that show both real time and historical data for each GPS sat compared to NIST time: http://www.nist.gov/pml/div688/grp40/gpsarchive.cfm Hopefully it’s accessible via

Re: [time-nuts] Sun Outage

2014-10-09 Thread Don Murray via time-nuts
Hi Brooke... You are correct. My semantics were confusing! The offset feed certainly has an advantage because of no shadowing, but a lot of commercial Ku-Band antennas are complete parabolic reflectors with a sub-reflector and cassegrain feed. There obviously is some loss because of the

Re: [time-nuts] Sun Outage

2014-10-09 Thread nuts
On Thu, 09 Oct 2014 18:14:55 -0400 Graham planoph...@aei.ca wrote: If you have an interest in trying to measure sun noise, you might like to have a look at the itty bitty radio telescope. (watch the line wrap)

Re: [time-nuts] GPS jump

2014-10-09 Thread mike cook
Le 10 oct. 2014 à 03:09, Bob Camp a écrit : Hi GPS is steered by the Air Force last time I checked. A really good place to check is the NIST Time and Frequency pages that show both real time and historical data for each GPS sat compared to NIST time: