[time-nuts] PPS for NTP Server - How Close Is Good Enough?

2015-06-10 Thread Ed Armstrong
Hi, this is my first post ever to a mailing list, so if I'm doing anything wrong please be gentle with your corrections :-) A short time ago I purchased a Nortel/Trimble NTGS50AA GPSTM, I'm sure many on this list are familiar with it. At the time of purchase, my only interest was the 10 MHz

Re: [time-nuts] TymServe 2100 OCXO (MTI 240-0530-D)

2015-06-10 Thread Andrew Cooper
Gerhard , Which firmware version are you running in the 2100? We never updated to the most recent due to the leap second thing. We do have the various firmware versions on disk. Andrew -Original Message- From: time-nuts [mailto:time-nuts-boun...@febo.com] On Behalf Of Gerhard

Re: [time-nuts] HP5370 Error 04

2015-06-10 Thread John Allen
Hi Matthias - It sounds like you may have a temperature sensitive component (or solder joint?). Perhaps cooling each component individually will help you find the problem. Regards, John K1AE -Original Message- From: time-nuts [mailto:time-nuts-boun...@febo.com] On Behalf Of Matthias

Re: [time-nuts] PPS for NTP Server - How Close Is Good Enough?

2015-06-10 Thread David C. Partridge
Do you think it is OK to consider a pulse which arise 250 ns early to be close enough? For NTP usage that will be no problem whatsoever. Dave ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to

Re: [time-nuts] PPS for NTP Server - How Close Is Good Enough?

2015-06-10 Thread Pete Stephenson
On Wed, Jun 10, 2015 at 6:30 AM, Ed Armstrong eds_equipm...@verizon.net wrote: Hi, this is my first post ever to a mailing list, so if I'm doing anything wrong please be gentle with your corrections :-) Welcome! [snip] My next step was to find out where the even second pulse entered the

Re: [time-nuts] PPS for NTP Server - How Close Is Good Enough?

2015-06-10 Thread David J Taylor
From: Ed Armstrong [] OK, here is the actual question. Do you think it is OK to consider a pulse which arise 250 ns early to be close enough? And no, I am not forgetting about that 3 ns, there is about 3 ns of delay added by the output circuitry. Hope you didn't mind the long-winded post, and I

Re: [time-nuts] PPS for NTP Server - How Close Is Good Enough?

2015-06-10 Thread Chris Albertson
For driving NTP.. 1) NTP works in microseconds and your networked clients will see accuracy in the range of a few milliseconds. 2) There is a way to fix this in NTP's configuration file, you can specify what the delay is. On Tue, Jun 9, 2015 at 9:30 PM, Ed Armstrong eds_equipm...@verizon.net

Re: [time-nuts] Performance of 74LVC series ICs

2015-06-10 Thread Dan Watson
Thanks for all of the replies, very useful. Also for the recommendations on the 74LVC1G74 and 1G80. I don't know why I didn't check for a 7474 in this technology, of course they would have that available. But it looks like the 1G80 will do just exactly what I need in a smaller package, so I think

[time-nuts] z3801a - serial help and for sale.

2015-06-10 Thread David Andersen
I'm throwing my hands up in the air - I don't have the time to wrestle my silly mac into trying to talk to the box, unless someone has quick advice on something I might be doing wrong. z3801a, jumpered to RS232, modified with an internal switching power supply (see photos below). Power light

Re: [time-nuts] PPS for NTP Server - How Close Is Good Enough?

2015-06-10 Thread John Ackermann N8UR
Hi Ed -- For standard PC hardware, 250ns is way under the interrupt granularity of the computer, and will never be noticed. Some specialized configurations (https://www.febo.com/pages/soekris/) have timer resolution to a few hundred nanoseconds, but that takes hacking. I know there have

[time-nuts] NTG550AA 1 PPS mod

2015-06-10 Thread EB4APL
Hi Ed, I am the one who discovered the 1PPS pulse while troubleshooting a NTG550AA. Instead of reuse the 1/2 PPS output and missing this signal, my plan is to recycle the 9.8304 MHz output circuitry and connector, the circuits are almost identical. So I will cut the trace that goes from

Re: [time-nuts] PPS for NTP Server - How Close Is Good Enough?

2015-06-10 Thread Cube Central
Ed, first of all, welcome to the mail list! I have been lurking here for some time now and wanted to try an apply what I have learned about NTP to your question. I, too, haven't posted on here before, so please forgive me if I have quoted his question wrong, and replied incorrectly. I

Re: [time-nuts] PPS for NTP Server - How Close Is Good Enough?

2015-06-10 Thread Sanjeev Gupta
On Wed, Jun 10, 2015 at 12:30 PM, Ed Armstrong eds_equipm...@verizon.net wrote: OK, here is the actual question. Do you think it is OK to consider a pulse which arise 250 ns early to be close enough? And no, I am not forgetting about that 3 ns, there is about 3 ns of delay added by the output

Re: [time-nuts] PPS for NTP Server - How Close Is Good Enough?

2015-06-10 Thread Bob Camp
Hi Welcome! At best your NTP setup will be good to a few microseconds. By the time you get the time delivered (even over a LAN) it will be good to a few hundred microseconds at best. The ~ 250 ns error should not be a big deal. This being Time Nuts, you might take a look at the options on

Re: [time-nuts] Using CPLD/FPGA or similar for frequency

2015-06-10 Thread Hal Murray
alan.ambr...@anagram.net said: How about a 1pS resolution TIC? :) An alternative way to describe that sort of problem is How accurately can you locate an edge? I haven't looked carefully at the Spartan 3E. You might be able to run a signal along a column through a slow path and clock the

Re: [time-nuts] MTI-240-0530-D

2015-06-10 Thread Gregory Beat
Sorry, this sheet has the last page with pin-outs. http://www.ko4bb.com/manuals/50.158.136.69/MTI-240-0530-D.pdf greg On Jun 10, 2015, at 11:55 AM, Gregory Beat w...@icloud.com wrote: Did someone ask about the MTI-240-0530-D Oscillator Specification? AT crystal cut, found on this spec sheet

Re: [time-nuts] PPS for NTP Server - How Close Is Good Enough?

2015-06-10 Thread Chris Caudle
On Tue, June 9, 2015 11:30 pm, Ed Armstrong wrote: OK, here is the actual question. Do you think it is OK to consider a pulse which arise 250 ns early to be close enough? It is only 250ns early relative to the even second output. What is the even second output referenced to? What most people

Re: [time-nuts] z3801a - serial help and for sale.

2015-06-10 Thread Scott McGrath
Try going through all the speeds starting at 300. Sounds like a baud rate mismatch to me from the symptoms Also try 8 bits 1 stop no parity Content by Scott Typos by Siri On Jun 10, 2015, at 10:28 AM, David Andersen d...@pobox.com wrote: I'm throwing my hands up in the air - I don't

Re: [time-nuts] z3801a - serial help and for sale.

2015-06-10 Thread Bob Camp
Hi Normal drill for this sort of thing: 1) First connect the serial dongle back to back (output to input) and make sure it gives you back what you type in. If not, find another dongle. 2) Check the output levels from the Z3801 with a scope. It should be swinging at least +/- 5V and more like

Re: [time-nuts] z3801a - serial help and for sale.

2015-06-10 Thread James C Cotton
David, Using a USB dongle with an Apple Mac Laptop works fine for me. The chip is a FTDI FT232BL. Drivers from the FTDI site. In terminal or console use one of the following commands: [generic $5 dongle with no serial number] cd /dev screen tty.usbserial [xs880 with a serial number,

[time-nuts] Symmetricom SGC1500 Smart Grid Clock- Not Booting

2015-06-10 Thread David Jensen
Hello! Does anyone have firmware for one of these? I have one that is stuck on the loading OS screen. Perhaps I need clones of either the CF card or Micro SD card socketed inside the unit. Perhaps any experience with this symptom? They made one with a Rb, but I don't see where it would fit

Re: [time-nuts] PPS for NTP Server - How Close Is Good Enough?

2015-06-10 Thread Hal Murray
eds_equipm...@verizon.net said: OK, here is the actual question. Do you think it is OK to consider a pulse which arise 250 ns early to be close enough? And no, I am not forgetting about that 3 ns, there is about 3 ns of delay added by the output circuitry. If you want to earn your

Re: [time-nuts] Using CPLD/FPGA or similar for frequency

2015-06-10 Thread Bob Camp
HI On Jun 10, 2015, at 3:28 AM, Hal Murray hmur...@megapathdsl.net wrote: alan.ambr...@anagram.net said: How about a 1pS resolution TIC? :) An alternative way to describe that sort of problem is How accurately can you locate an edge? I haven't looked carefully at the Spartan 3E.

Re: [time-nuts] z3801a - serial help and for sale.

2015-06-10 Thread Hal Murray
kb...@n1k.org said: 2) Check the output levels from the Z3801 with a scope. ... A quick power cycle between each of the 9 possibilities should get it feeding out something that you can recognize. Yes this is a generic approach, but sometimes the generic one is quicker than doing a bunch of

[time-nuts] More Wenzel Oscillators

2015-06-10 Thread Ivan Cousins
Both Wenzel 500-07078 oscillators have been paid for and shipped. Thank you time-nuts members. Ivan Cousins ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the