Re: [time-nuts] Thunderbolt antenna

2013-03-10 Thread Bob Camp
Hi Like the Lucent antennas, they are ceramic patch antennas inside a fairly rugged enclosure. They are fine antennas, but they aren't choke ring designs. Bob On Mar 10, 2013, at 12:07 AM, Peter Gottlieb n...@verizon.net wrote: I'd like to get a better antenna for my Thunderbolt. I see

Re: [time-nuts] Thunderbolt antenna

2013-03-10 Thread Azelio Boriani
Yes, the Trimble Bullet is the originally suggested antenna for the TBolt but it is nothing special. Any patch timing antenna can do (Symmetricom 58532, Motorola Timing2000, Panasonic VIC100 and similar). To deviate from the usual patch type antenna, there is the Procom GPS4 quadrifilar helix and,

Re: [time-nuts] Thunderbolt antenna

2013-03-10 Thread Volker Esper
Hi Peter, Why not. The antenna is optimized for that purpose (receiving GPS L1), omnidirectional and tuned to the GPS frequency, snow skids down, birds can't land on it. As N0UU affirms, there's nothing further sensational inside. I don't know, how proficient you are with radio frequency

Re: [time-nuts] Thunderbolt antenna

2013-03-10 Thread Peter Gottlieb
The seller had a make offer so I tried $20 and it was set to auto accept. I figure for $25 (with shipping) it's worth a shot for a new unit. The Trimble data sheet says it is good for up to 75 feet of coax, I think I'll end up with about 50 here. The antenna I have been using is a no-name

Re: [time-nuts] Thunderbolt antenna

2013-03-10 Thread Bob Camp
Hi How long a run of coax will you have? Do you have a power splitter at the receiver end? You probably need 10 db of gain between the antenna and the receiver. If the antenna has 25 db of gain, you have 15 db to waste on cable loss and power splitting. With no power splitter, you could run

Re: [time-nuts] Thunderbolt antenna

2013-03-10 Thread Peter Gottlieb
Thank you. The antenna spec is 35 dB gain and I'll end up with 50-75 feet of RG-6. Maybe I'll just put in a TNC-F adapter as there are F connectors made especially for RG-6, and probably no TNC connectors like that! Thanks again. Peter On 3/10/2013 12:35 PM, Bob Camp wrote: Hi How long

Re: [time-nuts] Thunderbolt antenna

2013-03-10 Thread Peter Gottlieb
Exactly. I'll probably wait until NEARfest up here and pick one up there. You know, more justification to go. Peter On 3/10/2013 12:45 PM, George Dubovsky wrote: It seems, just go with quad shield RG-6 and be done with it. I even have part of a spool of that laying around.

Re: [time-nuts] Thunderbolt antenna

2013-03-10 Thread George Dubovsky
It seems, just go with quad shield RG-6 and be done with it. I even have part of a spool of that laying around. Maybe more of an issue is how do you properly connect a TNC to that stuff (the antenna has a TNC). Peter Here is one solution:

Re: [time-nuts] Thunderbolt antenna

2013-03-10 Thread Chris Albertson
On Sat, Mar 9, 2013 at 9:07 PM, Peter Gottlieb n...@verizon.net wrote: I'd like to get a better antenna for my Thunderbolt. I see Trimble bullet antennas type 57860-00 on ebay for $30 or so, specs look to be 5 volt 35 dB gain. Would something like this be a good choice? Yes. They work well

Re: [time-nuts] Thunderbolt antenna

2013-03-10 Thread Mike S
On 3/10/2013 12:04 PM, Peter Gottlieb wrote: RG-5910.4 dB/100 ft RG-68.4 dB/100 ft Heliax 7.4 dB/100 ft FSJ1-50A RG-11 5.7 dB/100 ft (Yes, I'm aware of the impedance differences) I used LMR-400. 5.1 dB @1.5 GHz /100 ft, 90 dB shield. And, it's

Re: [time-nuts] Thunderbolt antenna

2013-03-10 Thread Flemming Larsen
Also available from Times Microwave in 75 Ohm. Google LMR400-754.9 dB per 100 ft. @ 1.5 GHz. -- FL --- Den søn 10/3/13 skrev Mike S mi...@flatsurface.com: Fra: Mike S mi...@flatsurface.com Emne: Re: [time-nuts] Thunderbolt antenna Til: time-nuts@febo.com Dato: søndag 10. marts 2013 11.22 On 3

Re: [time-nuts] Thunderbolt antenna

2013-03-10 Thread Chuck Forsberg WA7KGX N2469R
I bought one of the 40 db gain GPS antennas that were on Ebay some time ago. I had been using a mushroom style antenna with an rg-59 lead that came with one of the Thunderbolts. I have maybe 75 feet of rg-6 lead in. Rg-6 sold for satellite dishes or cable companies should do just fine without

Re: [time-nuts] Thunderbolt antenna

2013-03-10 Thread Bob Camp
Hi You do need to be a little careful with gain. Past a certain point, you do no more good for the noise figure of the system , but you do degrade the overload performance. Bob On Mar 10, 2013, at 3:40 PM, Chuck Forsberg WA7KGX N2469R c...@omen.com wrote: I bought one of the 40 db gain GPS

Re: [time-nuts] Thunderbolt antenna

2013-03-10 Thread Volker Esper
To me, that seems to be a much more important issue than suggestions about the right cable. Volker Am 10.03.2013 21:48, schrieb Bob Camp: Hi You do need to be a little careful with gain. Past a certain point, you do no more good for the noise figure of the system , but you do degrade the

[time-nuts] Thunderbolt antenna

2013-03-09 Thread Peter Gottlieb
I'd like to get a better antenna for my Thunderbolt. I see Trimble bullet antennas type 57860-00 on ebay for $30 or so, specs look to be 5 volt 35 dB gain. Would something like this be a good choice? Peter ___ time-nuts mailing list --

Re: [time-nuts] Thunderbolt antenna?

2010-03-13 Thread Peter Vince
That's a dramatic and impressive difference Mark! Were the other choke-rings similarly better than the ordinary conical, or was this one heads and shoulders better than the rest? I was just wondering if it was the choke-ring concept that gave the major improvement, with this one just being

[time-nuts] Thunderbolt antenna?

2010-03-13 Thread Mark Sims
All the choke ring antennas were similar in performance. The Aero/Leica one is optimized for the L1 freq only. All the other choke rings that I tested did L1/L2 which compromises performance a bit which did show up in the data (but at a level that could just have been random luck of the

Re: [time-nuts] Thunderbolt antenna?

2010-03-13 Thread WarrenS
Good information to know, if one is doing survey work. But some NON-Nut needs to ask, SO WHAT? A 3 foot error may cause + - 3ns of additional phase time error, which is well below the short term GPS noise level. If that is averaged over the 500 or so second TC loop or the 48 hrs supper survey

Re: [time-nuts] Thunderbolt antenna?

2010-03-12 Thread J. L. Trantham
- From: time-nuts-boun...@febo.com [mailto:time-nuts-boun...@febo.com] On Behalf Of Dave hartzell Sent: Thursday, March 11, 2010 10:23 PM To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement Subject: [time-nuts] Thunderbolt antenna? Hello, I'm looking for a decent outdoor antenna for my

Re: [time-nuts] Thunderbolt antenna?

2010-03-12 Thread Bob Camp
Hi That's quite an antenna. 10 lbs and 14 diameter Bob On Mar 11, 2010, at 11:29 PM, Mark Sims wrote: It doesn't get any better than Ebay item 270262189976... I've tested a couple dozen antennas and nothing comes close to what it does... It's big. It's pricey (but FAR less than

Re: [time-nuts] Thunderbolt antenna?

2010-03-12 Thread Bruce Griffiths
Looks like a standard choke ring antenna. Bruce Bob Camp wrote: Hi That's quite an antenna. 10 lbs and 14 diameter Bob On Mar 11, 2010, at 11:29 PM, Mark Sims wrote: It doesn't get any better than Ebay item 270262189976... I've tested a couple dozen antennas and nothing comes

Re: [time-nuts] Thunderbolt antenna?

2010-03-12 Thread Charles P. Steinmetz
Mark wrote: It doesn't get any better than Ebay item 270262189976... I've tested a couple dozen antennas and nothing comes close to what it does... It's big. It's pricey (but FAR less than the $2000+ original cost). It's good. On Mark's advice, I got one of these a few months ago. It

[time-nuts] Thunderbolt antenna?

2010-03-11 Thread Dave hartzell
Hello, I'm looking for a decent outdoor antenna for my Thunderbolt... I need to graduate beyond the puck-antenna in the window sill. Any recommendations and/or sources (the lower cost, the better of course!)? Thanks, Dave ___ time-nuts mailing list

[time-nuts] Thunderbolt antenna?

2010-03-11 Thread Mark Sims
It doesn't get any better than Ebay item 270262189976... I've tested a couple dozen antennas and nothing comes close to what it does... It's big. It's pricey (but FAR less than the $2000+ original cost). It's good. --- I'm looking for a decent outdoor antenna for my Thunderbolt...