Title: Re: rethinking sin
Stephen is absolutely correct. (DARN! I KNEW I should have spent more time crafting my post.)
What I should have said is that from the standpoint of the idealist, who doesn't take into consideration how the Golden Rule can be twisted to justify an individual agenda,
James Guinee wrote:
Mark McMinn, a Christian psychologist, argues that sin - and living in a
fallen world - is useful to the teaching of psychology.
He notes that the average general psych textbook will probably not
include the word sin, and yet evidence for the consequences of sin are
can
What you discuss is not dissimilar from Donald Campbell's (1975) view as
described in his presidential address to APA (Amer. Psychologist 30 (12)
1103-1126). In that paper On the Conflicts between Biological and Social
Evolution and between Psychology and Moral Tradition) he argues that
Stephen Black wrote:
Perhaps a little less religion is what the human race really
needs if we want to encourage it to continue.
Stephen backed this by reference to some of the barbaric violence committed
in the name of religion. However, there is a much more subtle and
simultaneously
I'm interested in the articles you've been reading.
Lois Kendall
Psychology Instructor
Barclay College
Haviland Kansas
-Original Message-
From: James Guinee [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Monday, February 18, 2002 5:15 PM
To: Teaching in the Psychological Sciences
Subject: rethinking
Perhaps a distinction needs to be made between sin in behavior and sin
in the heart. We can work to control the sin in our behavior but the
sin in our heart, I believe, is part of the human condition. To take
the concept of sin out of religious terminology, I sometimes liken the
concept of sin
A moral principle is a generally accepted STANDARD of goodness or rightness
in conduct or character. Sin is a willful ACTION (and we can include both
behavior and thoughts here) that involves the breaking of a moral principle.
Thus, sin cannot serve as an explanation of an action: it IS the
-Original Message- From: James Guinee
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, February 18, 2002 5:15 PM
To: Teaching in the Psychological Sciences Subject: rethinking sin
Mark McMinn, a Christian psychologist, argues that sin - and living in a
fallen world - is useful to
Hello again,
I'm curious if you've covered this case in your class (of course,
that depends on the subject). I'm also curious how students tend to
react -- for one, in my marriage and family class the majority of students,
particularly the women, seem very unsympathetic, particularly those
Another interesting take on this is notion that 'sin' has been erased from
everyday language is the concept of 'shame'. If you ask most kids today (middle
school and below) what the hand motion of rubbing one index finger opver the
other in a motion like peeling potatoes, I think they will be
I too have worried about accepting small gifts or cards from students after
the close of the semester. Usually it is something that the student in
question has made and though I treasure such things as momentos and/or
concrete reinforcements, I wonder whether it is good practice to accept
How do you decline the gifts? I have received a small plaque extolling the
virtues of teachers, a framed stamp honoring teachers, a small bud vase (I like
flowers from my garden in my office), a coffee mug or two, a calendar or two,
countless cards, etc. I think that to refuse them would take
I have been approached by one campus organization to be a faculty advisor.
are any of you faculty advisor to an organization?
what are the pros and cons of being one?
does it look good on one's resume?
and how does that contribute to the academic mission?
Michael Sylvester,PhD
Daytona
We don't look at the gift. We look at the person. We look at the
meaning. Gratitude is a far cry from influence or bribe.
Make it a good day.
--Louis--
Louis Schmier www.therandomthoughts.com
Department of History
Colleagues,
Annette Taylor mentioned shame and several other folks have mentioned
guilt in connection with the discussion on sin. You may be
interested to know that June Tangney has an excellent and extensive
research program on shame and guilt as motivating emotions and as
moral emotions.
On Tue, 19 Feb 2002, Wuensch, Karl L wrote:
I would not put too much effort into making sense of this, since it is
highly unlikely that Fisher's exact test is appropriate for your data.
Fisher's exact test is only appropriate when both of your pairs of marginals
are fixed -- that is, when
At 06:49 AM 2/19/2002 -0800, you wrote:
Another interesting take on this is notion that 'sin' has been erased from
everyday language is the concept of 'shame'. If you ask most kids today
(middle
school and below) what the hand motion of rubbing one index finger opver the
other in a motion like
James Guinee wrote:
I'm curious if you've covered this case in your class (of course,
that depends on the subject). I'm also curious how students tend to
react -- for one, in my marriage and family class the majority of students,
particularly the women, seem very unsympathetic, particularly
I said:
There is lots of fun complexity here to unpack that I won't try to do on
an email list.
Paul Smith asked:
Why not? Are you hiding something? ;)
Mostly I'm hiding the fact that I don't have time to do the
unpacking. For instance, are there three basic moral stances as
Rozin
While discussing drugs in my intro. class, I happened to mention that,
probably due to my age and other variables, I've never been offered a joint
(of marijuana) nor even been in a place where my peers were smoking it. (I
excluded things like concerts. And I know what pot smells like.)
In
Stephen said I appreciate Karl's expertise in helping me make sense of this
apparently anomalous result. But I wonder whether his interpretation of the
Fisher is unduly conservative. My copy of an old edition (the first,
actually!) of Siegel's classic _Non-Parametric Statistics for the Behavioral
I have set up several (9-10) self scoring instruments using forms on the
internet and then writing a .cgi script in perl to score them. They output a
score to the screen and log the responses to a file. Sometimes I divide the
class for discussion based on the logfile (e.g., create groups based
Re Jim Guinee's posting on 18 February:
Sigmund Freud: Conflict Culture: http://www.loc.gov/exhibits/freud/
Many TIPsters will recall the controversy concerning critics' claims that
the list of advisors recruited by the organisers of the Freud Exhibition
failed to reflect the full range of
Jim Clark,
Always a treat to hear your thinkin'
Subject: Re: rethinking sin
From: jim clark [EMAIL PROTECTED]
A. As noted below in the Webster definition, sin does not
necessarily entail religion (e.g., an offense against religious
or moral law an action that is reprehensible), so it
Jim Guineee said
Your typical Christian psychologist likely accepts as much of
psychology as s/he can, until it contradicts with her/his religious beliefs.
This must make me (and many others) atypical then. I have listed Ian
Barbour's 4 approaches to the science-religion dialogue before
The problem with this issue is that it is a religious issue. Some believe in it
and think it has a real place in the teaching of psychology, and the conduct of
therapy. Some do not. Some of us use it when it seems appropriate and don't
when it doesn't. Is there a problem here?
Bob Wildblood,
I have a student (left-handed and artistic) interested in exploring
theories about the connection between handedness and artistic
interests. We've tried all sorts of sources but get brief references and
little substance. Does anyone have any hints about sources? Thanks
in advance.
Sandra
Hi there,
I have a dear friend who is Chinese and whose wife has just died. I
want to do something for my friend, but I am afraid of offending him,
and would like to do something that would be appropriate from the
perspective of his culture. Can anyone out there in TIPS land help
me with
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