FW: Concerning Terri Schiavo's Mental State

2005-03-28 Thread Gary Klatsky
Sorry to those of you receiving multiple copies of this email. This was posted to another list that I subscribe to and the author said it was ok to post his comments elsewhere. I thought the issues he raised would make for interesting discussions in our classes. Gary Gary J. Klatsky, Ph. D.

Re: FW: Concerning Terri Schiavo's Mental State

2005-03-28 Thread Paul Brandon
At 8:33 AM -0500 3/28/05, Gary Klatsky wrote: Sorry to those of you receiving multiple copies of this email. This was posted to another list that I subscribe to and the author said it was ok to post his comments elsewhere. I thought the issues he raised would make for interesting discussions in

RE: Concerning Terri Schiavo's Mental State

2005-03-28 Thread Marc Carter
Exactly the issue we'll be discussing in my Consciousness class tomorrow. :) But I would comment, though, on a couple of Randall's points. One, a good case can be made that scientific truth just is consensus. The data are *rarely* unambiguous (else we wouldn't have so much literature to wade

Re: FW: Concerning Terri Schiavo's Mental State

2005-03-28 Thread Christopher D. Green
Gary Klatsky wrote: Sorry to those of you receiving multiple copies of this email. This was posted to another list that I subscribe to and the author said it was ok to post his comments elsewhere. I thought the issues he raised would make for interesting discussions in our classes. I didn't reply

Re: FW: Concerning Terri Schiavo's Mental State

2005-03-28 Thread Paul Brandon
At 11:42 AM -0500 3/28/05, Christopher D. Green wrote: So finally we come to the real complaint, which has little to do with either Terri Shiavo or consciousness. Every school of thought discovered more than those before. Functionalism took on questions ignored by sturcturalism. Behviorism,

Re: FW: Concerning Terri Schiavo's Mental State

2005-03-28 Thread Paul Smith
Paul Brandon wrote: Let's just say that radical behaviorists reject the concept of 'consciousness' on the grounds that it assumes a mind/body dualism: that the mind is an entity that has a nonphysical existence separate from the body and from natural laws. It does? I'm fairly confident that

Re: FW: Concerning Terri Schiavo's Mental State

2005-03-28 Thread Paul Brandon
At 11:15 AM -0600 3/28/05, Paul Smith wrote: Paul Brandon wrote: Let's just say that radical behaviorists reject the concept of 'consciousness' on the grounds that it assumes a mind/body dualism: that the mind is an entity that has a nonphysical existence separate from the body and from natural

Re: FW: Concerning Terri Schiavo's Mental State

2005-03-28 Thread Paul Smith
Paul Brandon wrote: This is the position that mind is simply a shorthand for brain function. I'd agree that most neurophysiologist and neuropsychologists agree with this. I'm not sure that this is true of cognitive psychologists. Well, it's an empirical question, but I'd be pretty surprised (and

Re: FW: Concerning Terri Schiavo's Mental State

2005-03-28 Thread Paul Brandon
At 11:47 AM -0600 3/28/05, Paul Smith wrote: Pure curiosity: do you believe that cognitive psychologists are generally mind/body dualists? Do you think that's a common assumption among behaviorists? Lacking data It is a common assumption among behaviorists. Personally I'll withhold

Re: FW: Concerning Terri Schiavo's Mental State

2005-03-28 Thread Paul Smith
Paul Brandon wrote: Lacking data It is a common assumption among behaviorists. Personally I'll withhold judgement pending data. I would not be surprised if most cognitive psychologists denied being dualists, but they often talk in ways that are consistent with dualism Well, lacking data here

Re: FW: Concerning Terri Schiavo's Mental State - two types of dualism

2005-03-28 Thread dkoren
Dear Paul, Thanks for a highly stimulating exchange of ideas. For what they are worth just a two quick and rather minor comments: a) at the risk of being picky, note that there are two types of dualism--i.e., onthological and functional. Figure-background is an example of a rather strong

RE: FW: Concerning Terri Schiavo's Mental State

2005-03-28 Thread Shearon, Tim
Paul Brandon said: This is the position that mind is simply a shorthand for brain function. I'd agree that most neurophysiologist and neuropsychologists agree with this. I'm not sure that this is true of cognitive psychologists. To say that we have something treats that thing as an entity, not a