I served for several years on our IRB, but have since withdrawn from
such work. I do think highschool fair projects need IRB approval if
their purpose is actual research. An issue that we are struggling with
here is our annual dept. poster session where we have students from
various classes
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On the one hand these are probably completely innocuous studies on the
other hand I see two values, if not for an official IRB review, at
least for a review by a professor from a nearby university's psych
department who might feel comfortable looking them over.
here are my two reasons:
a)
Stephen,
You are probably right. When I did Psych Fairs I used studies that could be
found in journals and books. I would rarely allow students to come-up with
their studies. To me, that's a very scarey thought! I would never allow a study
that didn't already been conducted by someone else. In
Morning Jim,
I think the comments raised by Annette and others are valid. If
psychology is to be thought of in high school as a science, then using a
modified IRB might not be all that bad. We do mention them when we teach
research. I also believe that why we're seeing it come from the
I'm very soon going to be in the (probably unenviable) position of making
these kinds of decisions for my institution, and so I really appreciate the
question and the answers. I'd like to ask one of my own, for clarification.
It seems to me that getting approval and getting IRB approval are two
We are required to have ALL students who are doing research projects that
collect data outside class to go through IRB approval. A few years back we
got blanket approval for in class projects, but we cannot do so for these
other student projects and we cannot have an in-house quick IRB either.
At 9:25 AM -0600 12/1/06, Jim Clark wrote:
4. The examples Stephen gave would pretty clearly be picked up by a
teacher who could exercise control over student projects, just as we
exercise control over readings and the like
One would like to think so, but (like Stephen, and I suspect
At 9:41 AM -0600 12/1/06, Paul Smith wrote:
I'm very soon going to be in the (probably unenviable) position of
making these kinds of decisions for my institution, and so I really
appreciate the question and the answers. I'd like to ask one of my
own, for clarification.
It seems to me that
On 12/1/06, Deb Briihl [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
BTW, how long (on average) does it take for people to get IRB approval? The
past director retired last year and the university decided to save money by
not hiring someone else, so the work gets farmed out. A process that used
to take about 1 week
I agree with Jim. I think we're all suffering (individually and a
profession) from mission creep among IRBs. Extending the IRB system to
middle school or high schools should be avoided, in my opinion. If we
want students (at any level) to conduct ethically sound research we
should teach them
Paul, projects in Experimental Psych are for instructional purposes,
and would not normally be reviewed by the IRB. Students of course are
taught about the review process. For such classes and our labs, we
usually send a statement to the IRB (yearly) that indicates such work is
instructional
Hi
Two points:
1. So in order to (try to) prevent some highly remote event with
rather uncertain negative consequences and which might have occurred
anyway outside the context of class, we subject many thousands of
students and their instructors to a time-consuming and ultimately costly
review
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