Re: [tips] Who's Jews in the USA?

2008-03-20 Thread Allen Esterson
Re: [tips] Who's Jews in the USA? On 19 March 2008 Stephen Black asked us to guess Who's Jews in the USA? And atheists. And Muslims. Rank 'em in order of percentage of the population (no fair Googling!). Then I'll tell you the results of the most recent survey. Robin Abrahams responded

Re: [tips] Who's Jews in the USA?

2008-03-20 Thread Robin Abrahams
Not necessarily, which I believe is a politer way of saying, who the hell are you to determine how another person defines themselves?. An atheist Jew might still not want to deny his or her Jewishness, whether you think there's only one answer they can give or not. Hell, you can BE an atheist

Re: [tips] Who's Jews in the USA?

2008-03-20 Thread sblack
I challenged people to rank the percentage of the U.S. population who are Jews, Muslims, and atheists. On 19 Mar 2008 at 8:54, Robin Abrahams wrote: A problem with this is the overlap between Jews and atheists since you can be both--and lots of people are. Too true. Similarly, Christopher

Re: [tips] Who's Jews in the USA?

2008-03-20 Thread Paul Brandon
At 4:58 AM -0500 3/20/08, Allen Esterson wrote: Re: [tips] Who's Jews in the USA? On 19 March 2008 Stephen Black asked us to guessSurely it all depends on how the question is worded. If the survey asks what is the respondent's religion, then someone of Jewish descent who is an atheist has only

Re: [tips] Who's Jews in the USA?

2008-03-20 Thread Beth Benoit
I wish there were a more universal and less negative term than atheist. I know there are some terms (Bright, naturalist, secularist, etc.), but none that seem to have caught on. I mean, atheist means not a theist/believer in a god. A person who is religious isn't called a nonatheist. Why must

Re: [tips] Who's Jews in the USA?

2008-03-20 Thread Msylvester
Wasn't Sammy Davis Jr. Jewish? Didn't he trace his roots to the black Jews of Ethiopia? Michael Sylvester,PhD Daytona Beach,Florida --- To make changes to your subscription contact: Bill Southerly ([EMAIL PROTECTED])

Re: [tips] Who's Jews in the USA?

2008-03-20 Thread Robin Abrahams
before, you can be an atheist/agnostic and a RELIGIOUS Jew. Saying that they're mutually exclusive is interpreting Judaism with a Christian, belief-based lens. Paul Brandon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: At 4:58 AM -0500 3/20/08, Allen Esterson wrote: Re: [tips] Who's Jews in the USA? On 19 March 2008

Re: [tips] Who's Jews in the USA?

2008-03-20 Thread Allen Esterson
In response to my writing Surely it all depends on how the question is worded. If the survey asks what is the respondent's religion, then someone of Jewish descent who is an atheist has only one answer: Atheist. Robin Abrahams wrote: Not necessarily, which I believe is a politer way of

[tips] Who's Jews in the USA?

2008-03-19 Thread sblack
And atheists. And Muslims. Rank 'em in order of percentage of the population (no fair Googling!). Then I'll tell you the results of the most recent survey. Stephen - Stephen L. Black, Ph.D. Professor of Psychology,

Re: [tips] Who's Jews in the USA?

2008-03-19 Thread Paul Brandon
At 10:15 AM -0500 3/19/08, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And atheists. And Muslims. Rank 'em in order of percentage of the population (no fair Googling!). Then I'll tell you the results of the most recent survey. In increasing order: Jews (1-2%) Muslims (2-5%) Atheists (5-10%) All of these are

Re: [tips] Who's Jews in the USA?

2008-03-19 Thread Robin Abrahams
A problem with this is the overlap between Jews and atheists since you can be both--and lots of people are. So one of the two groups is probably being underreported, if you can only pick one answer. I don't know how my husband, for example, would respond if asked to choose between identifying

Re: [tips] Who's Jews in the USA?

2008-03-19 Thread David Epstein
On Wed, 19 Mar 2008, Robin Abrahams went: A problem with this is the overlap between Jews and atheists since you can be both--and lots of people are. I'll raise my hand for that. Yes, for some of us, Judaism is an ethnicity. --David Epstein [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- To make changes to your

Re: [tips] Who's Jews in the USA?

2008-03-19 Thread Paul Okami
:55 PM Subject: Re: [tips] Who's Jews in the USA? On Wed, 19 Mar 2008, Robin Abrahams went: A problem with this is the overlap between Jews and atheists since you can be both--and lots of people are. I'll raise my hand for that. Yes, for some of us, Judaism is an ethnicity. --David Epstein

Re: [tips] Who's Jews in the USA?

2008-03-19 Thread Robin Abrahams
, and even Jewish and Christian. But Grandma won't like it much. Paul Okami - Original Message - From: David Epstein To: Teaching in the Psychological Sciences (TIPS) Sent: Wednesday, March 19, 2008 2:55 PM Subject: Re: [tips] Who's Jews in the USA? On Wed, 19 Mar 2008, Robin

Re: [tips] Who's Jews in the USA?

2008-03-19 Thread Paul Okami
) Sent: Wednesday, March 19, 2008 2:55 PM Subject: Re: [tips] Who's Jews in the USA? On Wed, 19 Mar 2008, Robin Abrahams went: A problem with this is the overlap between Jews and atheists since you can be both--and lots of people are. I'll raise my hand

RE: [tips] Who's Jews in the USA?

2008-03-19 Thread Louis Schmier
No, Paul, you can't be Jewish and Christian no matter what the supposed Jews for Jesus profess. There's an irreconcilable and fundamental contradiction. You truly can't be Jewish and believe in Jesus as the Son of God. In Judaism, that idolatry. Make it a good day. --Louis--