RE: Conformity and creation

2002-03-25 Thread Paul C. Smith
David L Gent wrote: Paul also wrote The rampant dishonesty of the creationists is in sharp contrast to the scientists' sense of responsibility to the truth. It often feels as though the scientists are fighting with one arm tied behind their backs, devoutly following the rules no matter how

RE: Conformity and creation

2002-03-25 Thread Rod Hetzel
Paul Smith noted: creationism - as a movement - is an intentional lie. And I think that creationists count on that (it's certainly how they so routinely win those debates...). Is it a lie to believe in the process of evolution, but still believe that there is an supernatural force that

RE: Conformity and creation

2002-03-25 Thread Paul C. Smith
Rod - I'm generally with you on this, particularly because of the careful scientific/theological distinction that you made. Is it a lie to believe in the process of evolution, but still believe that there is an supernatural force that initated the process? Of course honestly

RE: Conformity and creation

2002-03-25 Thread Rod Hetzel
Paul: I hope that you didn't get the impression that I was saying something like that - Not at all. I have for the most part very much enjoyed this thread. It has been refreshing to discuss these issues in a more collegial manner. However, I don't think that the question of whether

RE: Conformity and creation

2002-03-25 Thread Paul Brandon
At 8:13 AM -0600 3/25/02, Rod Hetzel wrote: I wonder, though, if supernatural and natural forces are mutually exclusive or if both could coexist. When I see lightning, I don't assume that some God up in the clouds is expressing his anger. I recognize and understand the various physical laws

RE: Conformity and creation

2002-03-25 Thread Rod Hetzel
Paul Brandon stated: The problem is one of scientific method. Once you posit that supernatural (by definition beyond the predictability of natural laws) forces can be at work in the present work, how can you experimentally separate the effects of the natural from the supernatural?