Costin Manolache wrote:
Davanum Srinivas wrote:
Henri,
it's a recommendation, NOT a mandate. So even if this is not done it's ok
(http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/msg06498.html)
-- dims
A mandate means something like if you don't do that, your accounts
and/or project CVS will
Remy Maucherat wrote:
Filip Hanik (lists) wrote:
Politics require mature representation...and
are we sure that Tomcat has this.
We have Costin :)
Yes !
Unless becoming a TLP gives us an instant advantage or will change some
things that really do need to change, is it worth the time and
Henri,
it's a recommendation, NOT a mandate. So even if this is not done it's ok
(http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/msg06498.html)
-- dims
--- Henri Gomez [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Remy Maucherat wrote:
Filip Hanik (lists) wrote:
Politics require mature representation...and
Davanum Srinivas wrote:
Henri,
it's a recommendation, NOT a mandate. So even if this is not done it's ok
(http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/msg06498.html)
Good I think we should forget about this recommandation, at least in
Tomcat.
Sad that Ant follow this recommandation ;(
Davanum Srinivas wrote:
Henri,
it's a recommendation, NOT a mandate. So even if this is not done it's ok
(http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/msg06498.html)
-- dims
A mandate means something like if you don't do that, your accounts
and/or project CVS will be disabled
A recommendation
Henri Gomez wrote:
Hi to all,
Just see that Struts is becaming a top level project, like ant
last year.
What's your opinions on moving Tomcat as top level project ?
I was against it, but given the recent board decisions, I think we
really need more leverage :(
Rémy
Remy Maucherat wrote:
Henri Gomez wrote:
Hi to all,
Just see that Struts is becaming a top level project, like ant
last year.
What's your opinions on moving Tomcat as top level project ?
I was against it, but given the recent board decisions, I think we
really need more leverage :(
+1
Can anyone list the pros and cons?
The last time this was discussed it was -1. But it seems the reasons since
then may have changed.
http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?t=10473776922r=1w=2
-Tim
Henri Gomez wrote:
Hi to all,
Just see that Struts is becaming a top level project, like ant
last
Shapira
Millennium Research Informatics
-Original Message-
From: Tim Funk [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, March 18, 2004 8:39 AM
To: Tomcat Developers List
Subject: Re: [OT] Tomcat as top level ASF Project
Can anyone list the pros and cons?
The last time this was discussed
Shapira, Yoav wrote:
Hi,
I read the original thread again. Some of Costin's objections are no
longer relevant (e.g. Struts and log4j moving out of Jakarta). Some of
the pro-community arguments (paraphrased as tomcat brings more
visibility to other jakarta projects) I don't think change if
I am curious to the scope the new TLP would have.
For example, would/should the following projects come along to the new Tomcat
TLP?
- Taglibs
- Watchdog
- Slide
- Other web server components based on java?
-Tim
Henri Gomez wrote:
As many I see Tomcat as the ASF Java web-server, where Apache 2
-Original Message-
From: Henri Gomez
Hi to all,
Just see that Struts is becaming a top level project, like
ant last year.
What's your opinions on moving Tomcat as top level project ?
-1
Why would we need that?
If we are not recignised already as a valuable part of ASF,
Mladen Turk wrote:
-Original Message-
From: Henri Gomez
Hi to all,
Just see that Struts is becaming a top level project, like
ant last year.
What's your opinions on moving Tomcat as top level project ?
-1
Why would we need that?
Because we don't have any leverage on the ASF
What's your opinions on moving Tomcat as top level project ?
+1... If you want reasons/opinions, I can offer them. :)
--
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Jim Jagielski [|] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [|] http://www.jaguNET.com/
A society
-Original Message-
If we are not recignised already as a valuable part of ASF, why all
the fuzz?
Because we don't have the said recognition.
???
I'm thinking to leave the ASF at all...
What was the altruistic community become the playground for the major
companies like
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Mladen Turk wrote:
-Original Message-
If we are not recignised already as a valuable part of ASF, why all
the fuzz?
Because we don't have the said recognition.
???
I'm thinking to leave the ASF at all...
That sounds like releasing Tomcat binaries outside ASF...
What was the
Remy Maucherat wrote:
Mladen Turk wrote:
-Original Message-
From: Henri Gomez
Hi to all,
Just see that Struts is becaming a top level project, like ant last
year.
What's your opinions on moving Tomcat as top level project ?
-1
Why would we need that?
Because we don't have any
Costin Manolache wrote:
Shapira, Yoav wrote:
Hi,
I read the original thread again. Some of Costin's objections are no
longer relevant (e.g. Struts and log4j moving out of Jakarta). Some of
the pro-community arguments (paraphrased as tomcat brings more
visibility to other jakarta projects) I
As TLP we can recomend a chair ( of course, legally the board can
nominate whoever they want - and the chair has almost complete autority
over the project, the PMC has just an advisory role legally - but so far
the common practice was that the board only hints who they don't want
as chair and
Hi,
So +1 for tomcat as TLP, and Remy as PMC chair.
+1 for both.
Now that some more coherent arguments have been put forth, I tend to +0.
Visibility-wise, I don't think Apache-Jakarta-Tomcat and Apache-Tomcat
are very different: our reputation is already established. But if we
can do
From: Shapira, Yoav
Now that some more coherent arguments have been put forth, I
tend to +0.
Visibility-wise, I don't think Apache-Jakarta-Tomcat and
Apache-Tomcat are very different: our reputation is already
established. But if we can do something to give us a louder
voice and
This is a tough decision. A top level project can give us more leverage, but
it is also way more politics. Politics require mature representation...and
are we sure that Tomcat has this.
Unless becoming a TLP gives us an instant advantage or will change some
things that really do need to change,
Henri Gomez wrote:
For now Tomcat is just one of the various jakarta projects and as such
we could see jakarta PMC take decisions we don't agree with.
Most of us are in Jakarta PMC - and those who are not, only have to ask
and they'll be added.
At least for Jakarta PMC decisions we do have a
Henri Gomez wrote:
Board is elected by Members, and Members by Commiters isn't it ?
Of course not. Members are elected by Members. Usually committers that
make constant contributions to ASF and prove community spirit and so on
( read one of the past postings by Stefano or Pier for the exact list
Hi,
So, again what is the board, why do I need it, are they going to make
me
more productive, did anyone received some dev tool?
There is a PayPal account. Where is the money?
I'm not a Board member, but AFAIK most of the above money questions are
answered at
Just as existing committers VOTE to add new committers, ASF Members do the same.
So my 2 cents, If you wish to effect change, lobby/hint someone you know that you are
interested
(see list at http://www.apache.org/foundation/members.html) as there are periodic
VOTE's (there
was one during last
Lord, the Bible has had nothing but marketing since the beginning, ever
since Constantine killed the Christians that disagreed with the robber's
synod. Even today the Bible is the most cobbled book on the market, just
to meet marketing demands.
Filip Hanik (lists) wrote:
Politics require mature representation...and
are we sure that Tomcat has this.
We have Costin :)
Unless becoming a TLP gives us an instant advantage or will change some
things that really do need to change, is it worth the time and effort. IMHO
becoming a TLP should
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