Too many BackGround Java Threads

Hi, I am running a web-application on tomcat 5.0 . Using blackDown jdk.1.4.2_06. After running some user interactions , the tomcat becomes slow.. When i do a check on the back ground threads i see many jvm threads running .. 27288 pts/0S 0:34 /usr/local/j2sdk1.4.2_06/bin/java -Xms700m

AW: Too many BackGround Java Threads

Hi When i do a check on the back ground threads i see many jvm threads running .. 27288 pts/0S 0:34 /usr/local/j2sdk1.4.2_06/bin/java -Xms700m -Xmx800m -XX:+UseConcMarkSweepGC - 27289 pts/0S 0:01 /usr/local/j2sdk1.4.2_06/bin/java -Xms700m -Xmx800m -XX:+UseConcMarkSweepGC -

RE: Webapps Root Folder

Yes you can ... are you using a web server in front of Tomcat or have you setup Tomcat to handle port 80 directly? Do you have multiple web applications or is it just this one? Allistair -Original Message- From: Richard [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 19 November 2004 06:22 To:

RE: SSL

Really great ! Thank you a lot for your help ! Richard -Message d'origine- De : Carl Olivier [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Envoyé : vendredi 19 novembre 2004 07:10 À : Tomcat Users List Objet : RE: SSL Alternatively, if you wish to accept HTTP connections, but redirect (forced to https) you

RE: Webapps Root Folder

No worries. Recopied list in. Allistair -Original Message- From: Richard [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 19 November 2004 10:34 To: Allistair Crossley Subject: Re: Webapps Root Folder Thanks again it worked. Richard On Fri, 19 Nov 2004 18:30:19 +0800, Richard [EMAIL

RE: SSL

Is there a means to write this security constraint at the context definition level ? Richard -Message d'origine- De : Carl Olivier [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Envoyé : vendredi 19 novembre 2004 07:10 À : Tomcat Users List Objet : RE: SSL Alternatively, if you wish to accept HTTP

5.5.4 SEVERE: Error unregistering mbean in stdout every 5-10 mins.

Hi, Having run our web application on 5.5.4 for a couple of days, I have studied the stdout logs to find that we are getting severe errors relating to mbeans. Here are some time intervals: 10:43 11:10 11:14 11:24 This time pattern stays fairly consistent as above. Each time the errors occur,

Re: Installing a webmail client such as squirrelmail (PHP) on tomcat?

Wouldn't the easiest way be to run apache as a front end with mod_jk2? It's pretty simple and it saves the hassle of possibly taking down the whole server with a crash, or any security hassles. Serve php with apache, serve everything else to tomcat. Kind Regards, Andy Savage -- Bluewire

Re: Too many BackGround Java Threads

Hello Satish. From my experiance such problems are the result of errors in the application code. At least I had some problems in our application ranging from wrong session management, causing threads to be waiting forever and wrong keyboard input management. We had default buttons in the app,

RE: SSL

Well, not at the definition entry itself, but you can modify the security-contraint url-pattern to only force the redirection under certain contexts. You can also have multiple security-constraint entries. For example: security-constraint web-resource-collection

RE: SSL

Those examples again - did not come out too great! security-constraint web-resource-collection web-resource-nameHTTP to HTTPS redirection/web-resource-name url-pattern/shopping/*/url-pattern

RE: SSL

Thank you a lot Carl Richard -Message d'origine- De : Carl Olivier [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Envoyé : vendredi 19 novembre 2004 13:19 À : Tomcat Users List Objet : RE: SSL Those examples again - did not come out too great! security-constraint

mod_jk / sticky_session / fallback question

Hello, I'm searching the internet for this question, but can't find the answer. If I use mod_jk with sticky_session=true and session replication between to tomcat nodes. Does mod_jk send the session to another server if the 'sticky' server fails? Ronald.

Re: NoSuchElementException in cluster

Hello, I found these two bug reports, looking similar to my issue below. http://issues.apache.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=27104 http://issues.apache.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=31328 Are there any comments/ideas on this for version 5.0.x? Ronald. On Tue Nov 16 18:23:14 CET 2004 Ronald Klop

RE: 5.5.4 SEVERE: Error unregistering mbean in stdout every 5-10 mins.

Hi, I think I already know the answer to this, but I'll ask anyways: does it happen with Tomcat standalone? My guess is no. Yoav Shapira http://www.yoavshapira.com -Original Message- From: Allistair Crossley [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, November 19, 2004 6:32 AM To: [EMAIL

RE: write and read problem

Hi, Attachments usually don't make it to the list, so you need to post your code inline. Yoav Shapira http://www.yoavshapira.com -Original Message- From: Wout Perquin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, November 19, 2004 2:14 AM To: Tomcat Users List Subject: RE: write and read

RE: Installing a webmail client such as squirrelmail (PHP) on tomcat?

Hi, easiest is subjective: some (many IMHO) people find the connector configuration difficult enough so that anything they can run on Tomcat standalone is good. Yoav Shapira http://www.yoavshapira.com -Original Message- From: Andy Savage [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, November

RE: 5.5.4 SEVERE: Error unregistering mbean in stdout every 5-10 mins.

Hi Yoav, Tomcat standalone no. IIS Tomcat SQL Server Content Management System However, we have the same setup on test and production servers and test does not exhibit this behaviour, perhaps due to load, or so on I expect. Cheers, Allistair -Original Message-

RE: 5.5.4 SEVERE: Error unregistering mbean in stdout every 5-10 mins.

Hi, The next step, then, is to run a stress test in your test environment. See if you get the same errors. Yoav Shapira http://www.yoavshapira.com -Original Message- From: Allistair Crossley [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, November 19, 2004 8:45 AM To: Tomcat Users List

RE: 5.5.4 SEVERE: Error unregistering mbean in stdout every 5-10 mins.

Hi Yoav, I am guessing you don't know why this is happening? or are you just trying to get me to get this tested in another environment so you know to take it seriously ;) ? Cheers! Allistair. -Original Message- From: Shapira, Yoav [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 19 November 2004

RE: 5.5.4 SEVERE: Error unregistering mbean in stdout every 5-10 mins.

Hi, I am guessing you don't know why this is happening? That guess is right, and then some. As you might know by now, I don't care to spend my time on connector issues. or are you just trying to get me to get this tested in another environment so you know to take it seriously ;) ? No, that's

Problem with ssl

I'm using ssl with tomcat 5.0.28 I use a keystore that contains several certificates How can I tell tomcat which one to use for SSL transaction ? Is there a parameter like alias ? Valerie - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL

RE: 5.5.4 SEVERE: Error unregistering mbean in stdout every 5-10 mins.

Hi OK, ran an e-Load script covering home page (database query heavy), 2 navigations (medium) and 1 full text search. Under a load of 50 virtual users (started at same time) * 2 iterations of the script, this produces more load then normal usage. No errors at all from the test Tomcat. Hm.

5.5.4 SEVERE: Error unregistering mbean in stdout every 5-10 mins.

Hi OK, ran an e-Load script covering home page (database query heavy), 2 navigations (medium) and 1 full text search. Under a load of 50 virtual users (started at same time) * 2 iterations of the script, this produces more load then normal usage. No errors at all from the test Tomcat. Hm.

Re: Realm using LOTS of DB connections

I would like to, but we are not allowed to use pooling yet. --- Seth Ladd [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Norris Shelton wrote: We have the manager app for each of our contexts set-up to use the DB to authenticate users. Unfortunately, it is using TONS of connections. Over an 8 min period, it

Re: Realm using LOTS of DB connections

OK, we figured it out. Someone was using the connection to monitoring. This monitoring took 24 hits every 3 seconds across all of our websites. Thx for your assistance. --- Norris Shelton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sorry, I forgot to specify the version. TC 4.1.12 --- Norris Shelton

JAVA_OPTS for multiple apps running under 1 tomcat

Hi! I have 3 virtual hosts in tomcat, each with it's own java app/context (total of 3 apps). When I set JAVA_OPTS=-Xmx 512m, in the bin/setenv.sh on UNIX, does this max out 512m for each context, or does it set it for everthing that runs under tomcat? --Dan

Redirecting not https to https

Greetings all. I am moving one application I have from standard http over to https. I found this article http://jakarta.apache.org/tomcat/tomcat-5.0-doc/ssl-howto.html which I think will help me get it configured. My question is, is there a tag I need to add in the web.xml descriptor file to

RE: Redirecting not https to https

Hi, That's the redirectPort connector attribute. If an https request comes into a non-secure connector, and that connector has a redirectPort, the request will be redirected. Yoav Shapira http://www.yoavshapira.com -Original Message- From: Xeth Waxman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent:

RE: JAVA_OPTS for multiple apps running under 1 tomcat

From: Wick, Daniel [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] When I set JAVA_OPTS=-Xmx 512m, in the bin/setenv.sh on UNIX, does this max out 512m for each context, or does it set it for everthing that runs under tomcat? It sets it for the Java virtual machine. Since all three contexts run in one virtual

Re: Problem on SuSE 9.2...

You may want to check if your SuSe 9.x has ipv6 enabled. It slows down connectivity because it also attempts to look up ipv6 addresses and that could possibly be causing your timeout. Try to disable ipv6 and see how it performs. --- Quinton Delpeche [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Greetings, It

Re: NoSuchElementException in cluster

are you using frames or in anyway have your system setup to access the same session by more than one thread? Filip - Original Message - From: Ronald Klop [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Tomcat Users List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: Ronald Klop [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, November 19, 2004 5:35 AM

Re: Redirecting not https to https

Also, you'll need something like the following in your web.xml. security-constraint web-resource-collection web-resource-name/web-resource-name url-pattern/*/url-pattern /web-resource-collection user-data-constraint transport-guaranteeCONFIDENTIAL/transport-guarantee /user-data-constraint

Re: JAVA_OPTS for multiple apps running under 1 tomcat

They are all sharing one JVM and it's resources. Java knows nothing of tomcat or contexts. [EMAIL PROTECTED] 11/19/04 8:59 AM Hi! I have 3 virtual hosts in tomcat, each with it's own java app/context (total of 3 apps). When I set JAVA_OPTS=-Xmx 512m, in the bin/setenv.sh on UNIX, does this max

Re: Redirecting not https to https

Does the web-resource-name attribute need to be the name of my application, or can it be blank? Also, the url pattern should actually be the url of the web app correct, not /*, correct - the /* was just a placeholder? On Fri, 19 Nov 2004 10:17:45 -0600, Jonathan Eric Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED]

RE: JAVA_OPTS for multiple apps running under 1 tomcat

I guess I could have deduced that from seeing only 1 java process...but I'm happy to have the validation of the group! Many thanks! -Original Message- From: Larry Meadors [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, November 19, 2004 10:35 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re:

Re: Redirecting not https to https

I'm sure this sounds really dumb, so I apologize, but I don't think I use a connector. I use Tomcat as my standalone web server as well. Am I not understanding something? On Fri, 19 Nov 2004 11:05:19 -0500, Shapira, Yoav [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, That's the redirectPort connector

RE: Installing a webmail client such as squirrelmail (PHP) on tomcat?

Hi! Yoav, That's right, because I saw so many mails related to apache connector, jk2 or mod_jk. Also I got problem with apache 2.0.* My OS is winXP professional. Somehow, the apache server service looks like it's running using Window services menu, but After I refresh it, the apache service is

RE: JAVA_OPTS for multiple apps running under 1 tomcat

Hi, It's for everything under the Tomcat instance, since one Tomcat instance is one JVM, no matter how many Hosts or webapps you have on it. Yoav Shapira http://www.yoavshapira.com -Original Message- From: Wick, Daniel [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, November 19, 2004 11:00 AM

Re: Problem with ssl

You can config SSL with Tomcat5.0.28 by read these: http://jakarta.apache.org/tomcat/tomcat-5.0-doc/ssl-howto.html On Fri, 19 Nov 2004 15:52:58 +0100, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm using ssl with tomcat 5.0.28 I use a keystore that contains several certificates How can I tell

mod_jk2 (in process support tomcat 4.1.31 + apache 2)

I need a configuration example to build this I was finding a lot, is possible that can be a bug? anyone has get to work with these versions? -- Un saludo - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands,

Error while starting up Embedded tomcat server

Hi, I am getting an error while try to bring up my Embedded Tomcat server. Following is given as the root cause of the Exception: at EmbeddedTomcat.main(EmbeddedTomcat.java:126) Caused by: java.util.MissingResourceException: Can't find bundle for base name

Re: SSL

Hi, Do you mean ... into two Services? Andoni. - Original Message - From: Shapira, Yoav [EMAIL PROTECTED] Newsgroups: gmane.comp.jakarta.tomcat.user Sent: Thursday, November 18, 2004 5:53 PM Subject: RE: SSL Hi, Yeah, reorganize your server.xml into two engines, with one connector

Re: Installing a webmail client such as squirrelmail (PHP) on tomcat?

Tomcat is fine and all but in this case it is definitely not the right tool for the job. I know you've had problems with Apache but I'd go look at it again. I am running apache 1.3 and I have a 5 line workers.properties, and one line in server.xml, my connector has never been a problem.

JNI, tomcat thread safety

Hello, I'm loading a native library within tomcat - the library is loaded with the System.loadLibrary() via a static object so that it is only loaded once - will tomcat manage any threading issues for calls to the library from the JNI wrapper class? Thanks, Dan

RE: JNI, tomcat thread safety

Hi, No. Yoav Shapira http://www.yoavshapira.com -Original Message- From: Dan Barron [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, November 19, 2004 11:59 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: JNI, tomcat thread safety Hello, I'm loading a native library within tomcat - the library is loaded

RE: Redirecting not https to https

Hi, Does the web-resource-name attribute need to be the name of my application, or can it be blank? Also, the url pattern should actually be the url of the web app correct, not /*, correct - the /* was just a placeholder? No, the /* is not a placeholder. It's an actual url-pattern that

Re: JNI, tomcat thread safety

Tomcat won't do anything to manage this. I think this is more a generic JNI question. Multiple threads can access your native library concurrently. What it's going to boil down to is whether or not you native library is thread-safe, and whether you want to impose some degree of

RE: swallowOutput and catalina.out

Back at it... This is what I have in my log4j.properties file: # Set root logger priority to DEBUG and its appenders log4j.rootLogger=DEBUG, A1 # A1 PROPERTIES log4j.appender.A1=org.apache.log4j.DailyRollingFileAppender log4j.appender.A1.File=webapp.log log4j.appender.A1.DatePattern='.'-ww

WebDav behavior

I've recently installed WebDAV app as part of a 5.0.27 and 5.5.54 install. I also have it installed on 4.1.29. When I access a page from a browser (e.g. Firefox), via: http://localhost:8080/webdav on 4.1.29, it returns to me the page at http://localhost:8080/webdav/index.html. When I do

handling Relm's errors

Hi, I'd like to know how to handle JDBCRealm's SQLExceptions in a graceful fashion. Also, I'd need to know how to differenciate between a login failed because authentication (user does not exist in de DB) or authorization (user/password ok but no permission to acces that resource). This is

Yikes! Where did 'webapps' go?! (5.0.28)

While re-deploying an application I did the following: - Stopped the application from the manager - Undeployed the application from the manager - Stopped Tomcat (5.0.28) - Started Tomcat - Tried to deploy a WAR file located on my C: drive to the server - Manager went completely blank... no

RE: Installing a webmail client such as squirrelmail (PHP) on tomcat?

Thanks for the suggestion. BTW, what is the OS you are using, mine is winXP professional, I heard apache is Not suitable or not tuned for win but UNIX/LINUX, that's why it's not stable on winXP platform, just an Afterthrought. David -Original Message- From: Andoni [mailto:[EMAIL

RE: Installing a webmail client such as squirrelmail (PHP) on tomcat?

Hi, Apache httd is ROCK-solid on any of its supported platforms, including Windows. The problems arise with the connection between httpd and Tomcat. Yoav Shapira http://www.yoavshapira.com -Original Message- From: David Lee [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, November 19, 2004

RE: WebDav behavior

The webdav servlets are exactly the same, give or take a few formatting differences. There are difference between 4.1.x and 5.x in how requests for http://host/webapp/ are handled. Generally, you can use a context for webdav, or you can use it with a browser to server content. Trying to mix the

mod_jk2 and tomcat 5 error

Hello all, I am trying to integrate modk_jk2 with httpd and tomcat5 on Fedora Core 2, but I am unable to integrate it. http://localhost/jkstatus works fine but when I try to request the standard examples provided in tomcat using http://localhost/servlets-examples/ - it gives error. I am using

Re: Tomcat 5.5.4 Stability

Under Linux kernel 2.6 and Jdk 1.5 (5.0), the server could handle up to 400 client threads. There are couple time out error. Other than that, it works fine. Slow but fine. However, the desktop and other application is much more responsive compared to kernel 2.4. Please notes that each of

RE: WebDav behavior

Mark, I understand the issue w/ contexts (and I believe I understand the issue w/ not being able to handle JSPs), **but I don't understand why the base behavior is different**. Are you suggesting that the 4.1.x, 5.x is causing a difference in the Webdav behavior that would prevent

Re: Installing a webmail client such as squirrelmail (PHP) on tomcat?

Yoav, just curious how do your pronounce your name. Mine is easy because it goes with Donuts but yours I can not find any restaurants or shops sharing the same. Being that are you an active participant to this forum I deem this email relevent. - Duncan - Original Message - From: Shapira,

RE: WebDav behavior

From what I recall, TC4 forwards to the index page whereas TC5 sends a redirect. I am sure one of the other committers will correct me if I am wrong here ;) You then get into exactly how the mappings, welcome files etc are processed and in what order. Off the top of my head, I don't recall the

[OFF-TOPIC] RE: My name

Hi, Interesting question ;) It's like Joab (from the bible, but I'm not religious), but the Y is strong and actually sounds like a why not a jay. And a good weekend to all, Yoav Shapira http://www.yoavshapira.com -Original Message- From: Duncan Krebs [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent:

RE: write and read problem

Hi Yoav, Thanks for your time. I have changed my design and now no longer require to read from the local file system. It keeps on puzzling me why I couldnt, but it no longer blocks my project. Best regards, Wout Perquin -Original Message- From: Shapira, Yoav [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]

RE: WebDav behavior

That sounds like what I'm seeing. IE 6 is not redirecting. Thanks for the clarification. :) Brian Mark Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on 11/19/2004 03:02:58 PM: From what I recall, TC4 forwards to the index page whereas TC5 sends a redirect. I am sure one of the other committers will

Fw: WebDav behavior

My mind was playing tricks on me. My last reply wasn't accurate. I'll do more research. Thanks for the clarification. Brian - Forwarded by Brian K Bonner/paraware on 11/19/2004 03:40 PM - Brian K Bonner/paraware wrote on 11/19/2004 03:37:01 PM: That sounds like what I'm seeing. IE

Re: NoSuchElementException in cluster

I fixed this, in cvs head and tomcat 5.0 branch. please try it out. Filip - Original Message - From: Filip Hanik - Dev [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Tomcat Users List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: Ronald Klop [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, November 19, 2004 10:17 AM Subject: Re: NoSuchElementException

Re: Problems compiling mod_jk 1.2.6

Hi Lars, I solved your (my) problem. Just added a #define in_addr_t unsigned long into the jk_connect.h and compiled. Runs smoothly so far. Darn C code ;-) Thanks, Lars PS: me, myself and I Lars George wrote: Hi, We are trying to compile mod_jk 1.2.6 on a Linux system with 2.2 kernel where we get

RE: WebDav behavior

OK, I probably need to start over. I'd like to access content from http://localhost:8080/abc with my browser and be able to see the Index.html rendered properly. I'd like to access http://localhost:8080/abc from GoLive and see the list of files. I suspect I can't have it both ways, true?

new isapi_redirector2.dll

I noticed there have been some commits since the last official release in March, so I've built a version based on the latest snapshot. I've also added a How to page for people interested in building it themselves.

Re: Tomcat 5.5.4 Stability

On Fri, 19 Nov 2004 14:20:40 -0500, Vy Ho [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Under Linux kernel 2.6 and Jdk 1.5 (5.0), the server could handle up to 400 client threads. There are couple time out error. Other than that, it works fine. Slow but fine. However, the desktop and other application is

RE: WebDav behavior

From: Brian K Bonner [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, November 19, 2004 9:10 PM To: Tomcat Users List Subject: RE: WebDav behavior OK, I probably need to start over. I'd like to access content from http://localhost:8080/abc with my browser and be able to see the Index.html

Re: NoSuchElementException in cluster

I've updated the delta request to avoid these errors in the next release of tomcat5.0 and tomcat 5.5 Filip - Original Message - From: Ronald Klop To: Filip Hanik - Dev Sent: Friday, November 19, 2004 10:44 AM Subject: Re: NoSuchElementException in cluster Yes, but we

JK2 crashes IIS

I have been using IIS 5.1 with JK2 for more than 18 months. Then this afternoon, suddenly JK2 starts to crash IIS. When I hit a web page, the first time I got 500 error. If I refresh the page two more times, IIS will crash. In the jk2.log file, I can see those debug info: [Fri Nov 19 17:09:18

CGI Again...Servlet.service() for servlet cgi threw exception

Sorry guys, I gave up digging into it and haven't seen such problems in archives... Tomcat 4.1.31 on Solaris. I enabled cgi scripting: changes in web.xml: -- servlet servlet-namecgi/servlet-name servlet-classorg.apache.catalina.servlets.CGIServlet/servlet-class

multipart/byteranges bug in tomcat 4.1.x

I had to write some byte-streaming code and it took me quite a while to find my problem because I had manged to get my behaviour byte-for-byte identical to Tomcat 4.1.x behaviour. My bug was that I wasn't outputting CRLF before each separator. The same bug still exists in DefaultServlet.java in

RE: WebDav behavior

I was able to map two contexts to the same docbase, one a normal web.xml context (recognizing welcome files) and one that supported WevDAV ops (producing directory lists). See this post: ( RE: Multiple contexts mapped to single docbase)

Re: Problem with ssl

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED] I'm using ssl with tomcat 5.0.28 I use a keystore that contains several certificates How can I tell tomcat which one to use for SSL transaction ? Is there a parameter like alias ? The correct attribute is 'keyAlias' to specify which

Apache Tomcat integration

Dear Partners: Any information how to integrate Tomcat 5 and Apache 2.+ in windows platform is appreciated. Thank you. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: Problem on SuSE 9.2...

On Friday 19 November 2004 18:04, sven morales wrote: Hi Everybody, You may want to check if your SuSe 9.x has ipv6 enabled. It slows down connectivity because it also attempts to look up ipv6 addresses and that could possibly be causing your timeout. Try to disable ipv6 and see how it

RE: Problem with ssl

Greetings. Where is this specified? In which element? Thanks! Carl -Original Message- From: Bill Barker [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, November 20, 2004 4:42 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Problem with ssl [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]