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From: TK Banks [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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No matt
Hi Frederic,
you are using IE and https? I got the same error and can't find a proper
solution for it. I bet you have turned of cookies in IE. Turn them
on (allow session-cookies) and it will work again.
Greetings
Martin
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Hi, *maybe* I'm experiencing a bug in Tomcat 5.0.25, but this is pure
assumption, please help me with this troublesome character encoding problem.
The test page below gets a request parameter and shows it in a textarea. The
goal is to test if special characters are translated wrongly .. (would a
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I tried that option already, doesn't make a difference ..
<%@ page pageEncoding="utf-8" contentType="text/html; charset=UTF-8"
language="java" %>
or
<%@ page pageEncoding="utf-8" language="java" %>
<%@ page contentType="text/html; charset=UTF-8" %>
Q
> -Original Message-
> From: Allista
Hi,
Our application based on Tomcat has a strange memory behavior on Linux (SuSe
8.1 kernel: 2.4.20 #1 SMP). The utility "top" shows RSS between 132-160MB
but SIZE is increasing. After one or two weeks SIZE is approx. 180M and than
we get an OutOfMemory exception and SIZE drops to 159M.
I have te
Enable (comment in) the AccessLogValve in your server.xml. That way you
will be able to see exactly what requested URLs result in 404s.
The file is enabled and nope -- I'm not seeing any 404 errors.
Yoav Shapira http://www.yoavshapira.com
What confuses me is why I get a ClassCastException? This m
Hello,
Please, help me.
I have an application installed on Tomcat 5.
It was working properly until I append the second host and deployed
this application on it. Now I have "localhost" and "myhost" as
default.
And here is a problem: application works correctly on the "localhost" and at
the "myhost"
oh yes sorry, it's because you need to set request encoding on your form post.
use a servlet filter. there was a post within the past week where I posted the
full code of such a filter.
> -Original Message-
> From: Quinten Verheyen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: 15 December 2004 09:16
On Wed, Dec 15, 2004 at 06:33:19AM -0500, ohaya wrote:
: I was wondering if it's possible to configure a standalone Tomcat to log
: HTTP requests (and posts too, ideally)? If it is, how do I do this, and
: where does it (Tomcat) log the output to?
1/ please post a *new* message when writing to t
On Wed, Dec 15, 2004 at 10:22:15AM +0100, Zsolt Koppany wrote:
: Our application based on Tomcat has a strange memory behavior on Linux (SuSe
: 8.1 kernel: 2.4.20 #1 SMP). The utility "top" shows RSS between 132-160MB
: but SIZE is increasing. After one or two weeks SIZE is approx. 180M and than
:
Hi!
We're migrating our web applications from Resin 2.1.13 to Tomcat 5.0.28
(running with jsvc on JDK 1.5, Fedora FC2). All of these use our own
libraries to get host based configurations from the web.xml which contains
resource-refs of the form host.domain.de_database.
After deploying one of t
> 1/ please post a *new* message when writing to the list. Replying to
> an old (unrelated) message confuses thread-aware mailers, which makes
> your question harder to find (and thus answer).
Sorry, I couldn't remember the address and got lazy (too early in the
morning :))
> 2/ do you mea
How can I do a load test?
Zsolt
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> From: QM [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Wednesday, December 15, 2004 1:01 PM
> To: Tomcat Users List
> Subject: Re: Strange memory behavior in tomcat-5.0.27
>
> On Wed, Dec 15, 2004 at 10:22:15AM +0100, Zsolt Koppany wrote:
> : Ou
Your code is calling request.setChar... sure, but then the request ends when
the page is finished displaying. Clicking your form submit generates a NEW
request which has nothing to do with the previous request.setChar.. call.
There is loads of character encoding information in the JSP Specifica
> Yes, something like that. Did you mean "AccessLogValue"? I did a
> search on that and didn't find much, but that looks like an Apache
> thing? I'm running Tomcat standalone (not being front-ended with
> Apache).
>
In 5.0.28 the accessLogValve is already configured for you. You just
need
TIME_WAIT means "client enters this state after active close".
It's normal to have a socket in this state for a period of time. This time
is specified by the rfc 793 as twice the MSL (Maximum Segment Lifetime).
Some systems implement different values but the specification is 2 mn.
I read this comm
Hi,
which profiler should I take to test our tomcat (5.0.27) based application?
Zsolt
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Thanks for the help and discussion Ben.
>
> /robert
Yep, they look the same.
Glad to help, even if I've done nothing more than validate your
assumptions ;)
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Most of them integrate with J2EE application servers. Choose whichever suits
your needs by reading the product sheets. I find that Quest's JProbe is good,
so is JProfiler, others like OptimizeIt.
Allistair.
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> From: Zsolt Koppany [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: 15
Hi,
I am not sure if this is the correct place to ask this but I'll give it
a shot...
I have written a j2me application that connects to any running tomcat
server and provided that a proper manager username and password is
provided can start/stop and restart any of the running applications
Yes. By default, a session variable is implicitly created for every JSP. The
session variable is then initialized with the exsiting session or creates a
new session if needed.
This behavior is disabled via <%@ page session="false" %>.
But you are still allowed to code in your JSP:
<% HttpSession
>
> In 5.0.28 the accessLogValve is already configured for you. You just
> need to uncommment it in your server.xml file.
>
>
>
> directory="logs" prefix="localhost_access_log." suffix=".txt"
> pattern="common" resolveHosts="false"/>
>
Ben,
Thanks. Unfortun
In terms of Jasper, Tomcat's JSP engine, it appears that a HttpSession is set
to null if session="false" therefore no instance is made.
In terms of the JSP Spec, session="true" by default.
In terms of whether it is best practice to set session="false" when yuo know
you don't need a session I ha
I don't have a copy handy but did you look at the server.xml?
On Wed, 2004-12-15 at 09:45, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> >
> > In 5.0.28 the accessLogValve is already configured for you. You just
> > need to uncommment it in your server.xml file.
> >
> >
> >
> > > directory="l
my personal opinon after revirewing all major profilers:
jprofiler leads the pack with easy install and intuitive profiling
http://www.ej-technologies.com/products/jprofiler/overview.html
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From: Zsolt Koppany [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, December 15, 2004 3
Great! Thank you very much for the insight information. I haven't tried
this yet, but it appears to be right on the bull eyes.
Thanks again,
Vy Ho
LERBSCHER Jean-Pierre wrote:
TIME_WAIT means "client enters this state after active close".
It's normal to have a socket in this state for a period o
I have used Apache Jmeter (http://jakarta.apache.org/jmeter/). This is a
great tool, but sometimes a bit slow at sending the concurrent requests. I
think they have a networking option to send many concurrent requests from
different hosts. Hope this helps...
Daniel
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You need to post your tomcat version.
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From: ohaya [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: December 15, 2004 6:33 AM
To: Tomcat Users List
Subject: How to Enable Logging HTTP Requests (Tomcat standalone)?
Hi,
I was wondering if it's possible to configure a standalone Tomcat t
Anybody won't to take a shoot at this?
Dwayne Ghant wrote:
Intresting question associated with this subject.
If I have "public_html " enabled for developers on
local machine ex:
Can I have a setting for tomcat to unwar there personal test
applications in
there public_html directories?
Jim Lynch wrote:
I finally got mod_jk to comple on RH 9 for Apache 2, but the
authentication doesn't work through the connector.
This simply is not true.
It works very fine, and the authentication window is showed
to the user. Check your config.
Mladen.
Any ideas about the following?
2004-12-06 11:29:26 CoyoteAdapter An exception or
error occurred in the container during the request
processing
java.lang.NullPointerException
at
org.apache.catalina.core.StandardEngineValve.invoke(StandardEngineValve.java:117)
at
org.apache.catalina.
Considering this is a pretty knowledgable group is there a good free HTTP
Sniffer application I can use, I need to see what the HTTP headers are
returning on my site.
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If you're talking about "Response Headers", mozilla's firefox browser
has a plug-in called web-developer.
https://update.mozilla.org/extensions/moreinfo.php?application=firefox&i
d=60
Under the 'information' menu, there is an option to view response
headers.
- Dave
> -Original Message-
Bienvenue Francois!
check out these locations for /etc/profile or ~/.bashrc
http://www.ccoss.org/tutorials/unix_utilities/node1.htm
check out http://www.fedoraforum.org/forum/showthread.php?t=28075 for options
basically your %PATH% environment variable is replaced by $PATH
export $PATH
HTH,
Mar
On Wed, 2004-12-15 at 15:17, Didier McGillis wrote:
> Considering this is a pretty knowledgable group is there a good free HTTP
> Sniffer application I can use, I need to see what the HTTP headers are
> returning on my site.
>
If you just need the headers, check out the LiveHeaders plugin to
Mo
Post the whole stackTrace
On Wed, 2004-12-15 at 15:10, T K wrote:
> Any ideas about the following?
>
> 2004-12-06 11:29:26 CoyoteAdapter An exception or
> error occurred in the container during the request
> processing
> java.lang.NullPointerException
> at
> org.apache.catalina.core.Stand
On Wed, 2004-12-15 at 15:17, Didier McGillis wrote:
> Considering this is a pretty knowledgable group is there a good free
HTTP
> Sniffer application I can use, I need to see what the HTTP headers are
> returning on my site.
>
If you just need the headers, check out the LiveHeaders plugin to
Moz
As far as I know you should have only one antiResourceLocking or
antiJARLocking true but not both.
On Wed, 15 Dec 2004 14:47:54 -0600, Durham David R Jr Contr 805
CSPTS/SCE <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Ok, it looks like setting antiResourceLocking="false" solves this
> problem, which kind of make
> Ben,
>
> Thanks. Unfortunately, and I have to apologize for this omission, I forgot
> to mention that I'm working with Tomcat 4.1.31. Also unfortunately, that's
> the only version that I can work with, for some specific reasons...
>
> For V4.1.31, is there any similar capability?
>
> Jim
Whenever I need to see the actual HTTP messages (which is pretty often,
as it turns out), I use an HTTP proxy logger to do it. My favorite, for
it's simplicity, is zproxy:
http://www.zaval.org/products/proxy/download/
At 12:17 PM 12/15/2004, you wrote:
Considering this is a pretty knowledgable
Actually, I have been in same situation for 2 years. I was not able to
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> As far as I know you should have only one antiResourceLocking
> or antiJARLocking true but not both.
Why would that be, and what exactly do those settings mean? I've read
the config docs on the site, but I'm wondering what Tomcat actually
*does* to implement these features.
- Dave
---
Pardon my ignorance, but what about tcpdump or snoop???
And if you have problems with those, have a look at ethereel
Andrew
Didier McGillis wrote:
Considering this is a pretty knowledgable group is there a good free
HTTP Sniffer application I can use, I need to see what the HTTP
headers are r
On Thu, Dec 16, 2004 at 01:15:32AM +0100, Andrew Miehs wrote:
: Pardon my ignorance, but what about tcpdump or snoop???
These are fantastic tools, as long as you have root access. ;)
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Environment:
Apache 2.0.52
mod_jk 1.2.7-beta-2
Tomcat 5.5.4
I've set up Tomcat with and AJP1.3 Connector to handle requests for web
apps from Apache. I'd like to be able to set up an ErrorDocument
directive for apache to forward the user to a custom error page when
tomcat is unavailable. This pa
I use Ethereal on my Windows client. It works well, but only for
communication across a real port. It does not work if your accessing a
site that is running on the client computer.
The "Follow TCP Stream" tool assembles the entire request/response
communication for easy viewing or saving to dis
Hi,
I'm having problems using standard.jar. For a simple page such as this:
http://www.w3.org/TR/xhtml11/DTD/xhtml11.dtd";>
http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml";>
<%@ taglib uri="http://java.sun.com/jstl/core"; prefix="c" %>
Remote user:
Tomcat 4.1.31 complains that it doesn't know what c:out is w
Thnx for the reply people, one thing that Andreas pointed out to me from the
spec :
"Indicates that the page requires participation in an (HTTP)session.
If true then the implicit script language variable named session
of type javax.servlet.http.HttpSession references the
current/new session for t
Here you go:
http://java.sun.com/jstl/core
/WEB-INF/lib/standard.jar
The jar is in that location. And your assumption is correct. I'm using
v1.0 of the JSTL downloaded from Apache.
sven morales wrote:
Hi,
Can you paste the relevant section of your
deployment descriptor web.xm
Thats now how its defined on mine. The
on mine points to a tld file and not
the standard.jar. The TLD files should be like
definition and attributes of those tags, unless your
standard.jar includes them already. My standard.jar
are basically the package of classes. An excerpt of
the "out" tag f
Hi,
Please check the contents of catalina.sh. It is
more like hard coded there as oppose to a parameter
that can be changed.
People should start looking inside these
tomcatXX/bin/*.sh or *.bat scripts to see what
Environment variable gets set or not set.
aka_sergio
--- Eno Thereska <[EMAIL P
I pulled c.tld from the jar, put it in WEB-INF and pointed
there. That fixed it. Thank you very much.
But what still puzzles me is why TomCat couldn't find it in the jar? Is
there a special syntax for referencing .tlds in a jar? Anyway, thanks
again for your help.
sven morales wrote:
Thats no
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Why it could not find it? Where is it in your
standard.jar? I do not believe the Digester looks at
META-INF/ and checked for contents like these c.tld
in that directory. Off hand I do not remember what
functionality META-INF/ is for other than this is
where you have a MANIFEST.MF file, the i
Ben Souther wrote:
>
> > Ben,
> >
> > Thanks. Unfortunately, and I have to apologize for this omission, I forgot
> > to mention that I'm working with Tomcat 4.1.31. Also unfortunately, that's
> > the only version that I can work with, for some specific reasons...
> >
> > For V4.1.31, is ther
Hi,
The problem for static resources went away. But now http is not able to
find the servlet class when I click on the button on the form. This used
to work before I changed the config in web.xml. So I am assuming this
problem is related to what I have done in web.xml.
Here is what is happening:
Derrick Koes wrote:
I just accepted Mladen's recent change to JK/native/common, so I'm up to date on the bleeding edge.
However, I find this in the isapi log file.
[Wed Dec 15 16:05:33 2004] [1588:580] [error] jk_isapi_plugin.c (938): could not get a worker for name ajp13
Can anyone explain why?
Hello Ben,
On my System (w2k IE6) with Cookies turned off FORM based login
fails even with SSL session information in IE
firefox has no problem with that. :-(
Martin
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> Von: Ben Souther [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Gesendet: Mittwoch, 15. Dezember 2004 17:45
thanks for your suggestion Yoav, but I am newbie in tomcat, so would you like
to tell me how to automate it using web.xml, I mean what command I should use?
, or any one can help me? thanks a lot
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you-re missing a page directive
<%@ page contentType="text/html; charset=UTF-8" %>
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> From: Quinten Verheyen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: 15 December 2004 08:28
> To: Tomcat Users List (E-mail)
> Subject: char encoding bug in tomcat 5.0.25 ?
>
>
> Hi, *maybe* I'
It was me who posted that :)
I looked into the example servlet filter you gave me, in the end it just calls
request.setCharacterEncoding(String) .. why would that call be applied to form
post data and the one in the JSP not ?
Q
> -Original Message-
> From: Allistair Crossley [mailto:[E
Hi,
I was wondering if it's possible to configure a standalone Tomcat to log
HTTP requests (and posts too, ideally)? If it is, how do I do this, and
where does it (Tomcat) log the output to?
I've tried editing the Debug level in the Connector in server.xml, and
then bouncing Tomcat, but that doe
Well, I tested the page on the following tomcat versions :
4.1.29 : OK
4.1.31 : OK
5.0.25 : NOK
5.0.28 : OK
5.5.4 with compt. : OK
So it seems a tomcat bug, if someone could confirm this ?
I am currently looking in tomcat bugzilla for this ...
Q
> -Original Message-
> From: Quinten Verh
: javax.naming.NameNotFoundException: Name java: is not bound in this Context
: at this place: Context envContext =
(Context)initial.lookup("java:/comp/env");
Should that be "/comp/env" or "comp/env"?
If not, help us help you -- you only posted excerpts of your server.xml
and context.xml, whic
Aha, this explains a lot. I know what to do, one final thing for me before
changing to 5.0.28 is testing the servlet filter option on 5.0.25.
Thx.
> -Original Message-
> From: Allistair Crossley [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: 15 December 2004 13:11
> To: Tomcat Users List
> Subject: R
and it does btw ;-)
> -Original Message-
> From: Quinten Verheyen
> Sent: 15 December 2004 13:53
> To: Tomcat Users List
> Subject: RE: char encoding bug in tomcat 5.0.25 ?
>
>
> Aha, this explains a lot. I know what to do, one final thing
> for me before changing to 5.0.28 is testing
I get what you are trying to do. I could be wrong, but the spec seems
written more towards protecting data from unauthorized users rather than
protecting jsp files from direct client access. Here are some
suggestions I thought of:
- Precompile the jsp source to .class files. Then remove the
Hi,
If the session has not already been created then this will ensure that this jsp
does not create it. If one exists already it won't destroy it but the JSP won't
have access to it.
I reckon it's good practice to use this, if you don't need a session, don't
create it.
Ta
Matt
-Original
I wonder if anyone can help me. We have a number of applications that
are installed at various clients, and are all running under Tomcat on
Windows.
One of our clients has started to exhibit a strange problem when the
application displays currency. It alters between USD ($) and GBP (£)
rando
<%@ page session="false" %>
Hello people
I wanted to enquire from the experts about something that I had read.
Is it true that inculuding the above directive in a jsp will prevent the
session object from being
created for that jsp, hence avoiding the creation of unnecessary objects??
Or Is it jus
Hi,
I just downloaded Tomcat 5.5.4. binary and the
compat file. I then deployed the
tiles-documentation.war file by copying it over to
jakarta-tomcat-5.5.4/webapps/ and set $CATALINA_HOME
to /u02/tomcat5/jakarta-tomcat-5.5.4 where I have
un-tar the tomcat 5.5.4 binary and compat. Then I
opened
You can look in the code of the generated servlet to see what the
differences are when using either true or false with the session
directive.
>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] 12/15/2004 8:17:55 AM >>>
<%@ page session="false" %>
Hello people
I wanted to enquire from the experts about something that I had r
What about the settings on the clients? This "randomly" means
randomly on the same client at different time? Did you check
this?
G.
> ==
> Date: Wed, 15 Dec 2004 14:57:34 +
> From: John Gardner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Currency Problem
I finally got mod_jk to comple on RH 9 for Apache 2, but the
authentication doesn't work through the connector. If I go to port 8080
I get the login popup and am able to enter the app OK, however if I try
to go to the default port and connect via mod_jk I get an authentication
error. I never
Not far. I do use IE and htpts. And I turned off cookies but in server.xml
file. I meet to many problems when I use session cookies and none with
encoded URL.
Any idea of the way to use realm authentication (FORM method) with cookies
turned off?
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De : Martin Grüneberg [
That is exactly how I want to do it.
In fact, if you look at my original message I describe what you recommend
almost exactly.
Anyhow, I finally created a VERY simple security example web app with
the following web.xml:
http://java.sun.com/xml/ns/j2ee";
xmlns:xsi="http://www.w3.org/2001/XM
Can the PUT and DELETE methods be disabled by editing a configuration
file for Tomcat 4.1? If so, how?
Thx.
-Ted
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Hi,
To make changes to my deployed application, I run an Ant script that
compiles classes and copies JSP's, images, CSS, etc. in to my
latest-build directory. As of Tomcat 5.0.18, changes to JSP's, CSS and
other files were picked up by Tomcat and displayed in my browser.
However, since switching
I used to use naviscope.
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From: Didier McGillis [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, December 15, 2004 3:18 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: [OT] HTTP Sniffers
Considering this is a pretty knowledgable group is there a good free HTTP
Sniffer application I can
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I just accepted Mladen's recent change to JK/native/common, so I'm up to date
on the bleeding edge.
However, I find this in the isapi log file.
[Wed Dec 15 16:05:33 2004] [1588:580] [error] jk_isapi_plugin.c (938): could
not get a worker for name ajp13
Can anyone explain why?
In version 1.2.6
Ok, it looks like setting antiResourceLocking="false" solves this
problem, which kind of makes sense. Is there a good explanation on the
tomcat site or elsewhere for this behavior?
- Dave
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> From: Durham David R Jr Contr 805 CSPTS/SCE
> Sent: Wednesday, December 15
sorry
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On Wed, 2004-12-15 at 10:44, VAN DER MARLIERE FREDERIC wrote:
> Not far. I do use IE and htpts. And I turned off cookies but in server.xml
> file. I meet to many problems when I use session cookies and none with
> encoded URL.
> Any idea of the way to use realm authentication (FORM method) with co
I think there is another attribute to
which is home.Base. Set this where you normally put
user/public_html directory. For example on mine, its
set as homeBase="/home" and user home is
/home/sergio. Once this is working, any war files on
your /home/user/public_html should get expanded.
I have not seen previous postings but, there is the
TCPMON tool from Apache Axis project, its an applet.
This allows you to see the the request response
between client and Tomcat.
--- Justin Ruthenbeck <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Whenever I need to see the actual HTTP messages
> (which is
That would be because I saw a post from someone on the mailing lists.
Those setings prevent resource locking (such as under windows
platform) when you are trying to access file system or resources
withing jar files.
There is a FAQ:
http://jakarta.apache.org/tomcat/faq/windows.html#lock
p.s. those
Hi,
Can you paste the relevant section of your
deployment descriptor web.xml for your demo webapp?
Specifically, the
http://java.sun.com/jstl/core
Am assuming this is JSP 1.2?
aka_sergio
--- Tim Watts <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote
> Hi,
>
> I'm having problems using standard.ja
Hi,
I couldn't find any thread that specified how to change the location
of catalina.out from the default location
$CATALINA_HOME/logs/catalina.out to, say, /tmp/catalina.out.
Could someone please give me some hints on how to do this?
Thanks
Eno
Hello, I'm confused on something basic. I understand how to set up mod_jk2
and configure an app something like http://localhost/myApp/test.jsp such
that the app myApp is sitting in the java container but can I have myApp
sitting on apache i.e. /var/www/htdocs/myApp and configure a handler in
ht
Hi,
another idea... try to increase the size of the perm heap with
-XX:permSize and -XX:maxPermSize. (See the JVM and garbage collector
tuning docus from Sun for more information and google for more). Also
try to enable the garbage collector log to check what happens to the
perm memory in case
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