> > My personal opinion is that there are two reasons:
> > 1) documentation is _MUCH_ better for hibernate
> > 2) The concept for hibernate seems to be easy: Give an object to 
Hibernate 
> > and Hibernate does all the persistence work.
> 
> I'd like to add that I tend to disagree with the point "easy concept".
> If you wrote those mapping xml-files once you'd know what I mean.
> 
> What I like best about Torque is the generator approach. It puts a
> compiler between me and my database objects and this alone helps a lot
> to find problems with the schema (as Ivano has experienced). Hibernate
> on the contrary uses introspection to handle its objects which is a PITA
> to debug. Just look at the zillions of Hibernate tools to help you with
> a problem you'd never have if you did it right in the first place...

That is why I wrote the word "seems" :-)
I am just now doing a project with hibernate (I was forced to use it) and 
am having exactly the same problem as Thomas describes. But it is a good 
thing to see the problems of other tools; one appreciates more what one 
has got.

    Thomas

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