Forgot to mention some things, A Erratum so I don't sound stupid.
On Friday, March 8th, 2024 at 19:47, Oliver Webb via Toybox
wrote:
> On Friday, March 8th, 2024 at 19:15, Rob Landley r...@landley.net wrote:
[..]
> > > The nommu stuff seems to have only
> > > been done on 2.4/2.6 kernels from
On Friday, March 8th, 2024 at 19:15, Rob Landley wrote:
> On 3/8/24 00:02, Oliver Webb wrote:
>
> > On Wednesday, March 6th, 2024 at 01:22, Rob Landley r...@landley.net wrote:
> >
> > > It's actually "reset" that should yank the tty out of cooked mode, which I
> > > believe it does now.
> > >
On 3/8/24 00:02, Oliver Webb wrote:
> On Wednesday, March 6th, 2024 at 01:22, Rob Landley wrote:
>
>> It's actually "reset" that should yank the tty out of cooked mode, which I
>> believe it does now.
>>
>> Why we have both "clear" and "reset", I couldn't tell you.
>
> reset sets tty settings
On Wednesday, March 6th, 2024 at 01:22, Rob Landley wrote:
> It's actually "reset" that should yank the tty out of cooked mode, which I
> believe it does now.
>
> Why we have both "clear" and "reset", I couldn't tell you.
reset sets tty settings while clear doesn't, large enough
difference to
On Tue, Mar 5, 2024 at 11:49 PM Rob Landley wrote:
>
> On 3/5/24 18:31, enh via Toybox wrote:
> >> We have a 7-10 year support horizon, How many terminal escape protocols
> >> have been relevant
> >> in the last 10 years: One. The story is the same for UTF8 and LP64
>
> There's a certain amount
On 2024-03-06 01:57:42, Rob Landley wrote:
> Commodore did a unix for the amiga:
>
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amiga_Unix
Which, at least in Australia, they used for their own developer support
servers. I know this coz I was a member of the Australian Amiga
Developers, who where owed some
On 3/5/24 19:16, Oliver Webb via Toybox wrote:
> Taking a quick look at the release notes for hurd, they are starting x86_64
> and AMD64
> support, Not surprised you've never seen it and neither have I.
>
> In the 80s and 90s it was probably a lot more relevant then it is now.
No, it really
On 3/5/24 18:31, enh via Toybox wrote:
>> We have a 7-10 year support horizon, How many terminal escape protocols have
>> been relevant
>> in the last 10 years: One. The story is the same for UTF8 and LP64
There's a certain amount of 80/20 going on.
If you 80/20 twice you get 96%. (80% of the
On 3/5/24 14:44, Oliver Webb via Toybox wrote:
>>From https://landley.net/notes-2022.html#17-10-2022:
> the smallest one is "clear" which is actually fraught (the escape does not
> reset the TTY out of "cooked" mode,
It's actually "reset" that should yank the tty out of cooked mode, which I
On Tuesday, March 5th, 2024 at 18:31, enh wrote:
> On Tue, Mar 5, 2024 at 4:01 PM Oliver Webb via Toybox
> > \e[3J is a widely implemented extension (so is \ec), not standardized, but
> > linux tty's, VTE terminals (gnome-terminal and the dozen derivatives of it),
> > st, xterm, kitty, and tmux
On Tue, Mar 5, 2024 at 4:01 PM Oliver Webb via Toybox
wrote:
>
> (Yes, I did read "I believe there is no point in continuing this
> conversation.",
> but there are still some questions and statements I feel the need to respond
> to)
>
> On Tuesday, March 5th, 2024 at 16:32, Mouse
> wrote:
> >
(Yes, I did read "I believe there is no point in continuing this conversation.",
but there are still some questions and statements I feel the need to respond to)
On Tuesday, March 5th, 2024 at 16:32, Mouse wrote:
> except for a recent spate of programs that insist on
> throwing X3.64 at me even
>> What about terminals - and emulators - that don't do X3.64?
> I haven't found one that doesn't do X3.64 yet, except ancient
> outdated ones that toybox probably shouldn't care about for the same
> reason it doesn't care about EBCDIC or the 'mt' command.
Ah.
>> ESC does nothing for me, so
On Tuesday, March 5th, 2024 at 15:31, Mouse wrote:
> > "\ec" is supported by linux ttys, and clears the screen in all
> > terminals I tested. And "\e[3J" has been supported by linux since
> > 3.0, and clears the scrollback buffer in every terminal I've tested
> > that has one, and is a NOP for
> "\ec" is supported by linux ttys, and clears the screen in all
> terminals I tested. And "\e[3J" has been supported by linux since
> 3.0, and clears the scrollback buffer in every terminal I've tested
> that has one, and is a NOP for terminals without one like linux tty's
> or st
What about
>From https://landley.net/notes-2022.html#17-10-2022:
the smallest one is "clear" which is actually fraught (the escape does not
reset the TTY out of "cooked" mode,
ncurses clear doesn't seem to effect tty settings (unix2dox because -opost):
$ stty raw && stty | unix2dos
speed 38400 baud; line =
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