* Isaac Dunham idun...@lavabit.com [06.04.2013 08:22]:
It appears that someone just split out the help for each subcommand.
But you had better include manpages for each of the ones you want in your
total...which is at least
ip ip-address ip-route ip-neighbor ip-link
bastian@box:~$ for F in
* Rob Landley r...@landley.net [05.04.2013 09:00]:
bastian@box:~$ man ip | wc -l
150
bastian@box:~$ lsb_release -a
No LSB modules are available.
Distributor ID: Ubuntu
Description: Ubuntu Raring Ringtail (development branch)
Release: 13.04
Codename:raring
You're aware
* Rob Landley r...@landley.net [05.04.2013 09:00]:
there is not plugin-arch, just one command which simply
manipulates the kernels netlink-interface.
A very large, very complicated command in the mold of systemd.
whats interesting to me:
the busybox-ip with all it's features (a lot more
* Rob Landley r...@landley.net [05.04.2013 09:00]:
this is wrong:
lo:0 is no interface, so why does it show an extra interface?
I note that technically lo isn't an ethernet interface in the first
place, so you could make the same argument there...
ethernet or SLIP or lo doesnt matter. lo:0
* Rob Landley r...@landley.net [05.04.2013 09:00]:
http://www.linuxfoundation.org/collaborate/workgroups/networking/net-tools
So they don't include network configuration in LSB, and half of LSB
is reverting posix-2008 to posix-2001, and they've gone through _5_
not-android embedded
On Fri, 5 Apr 2013 10:02:40 +0200 Bastian Bittorf
bitt...@bluebottle.com wrote:
* Rob Landley r...@landley.net [05.04.2013 09:00]:
this is wrong:
lo:0 is no interface, so why does it show an extra interface?
I note that technically lo isn't an ethernet interface in the
first place, so
* Rob Landley r...@landley.net [05.04.2013 09:00]:
What exactly is the _problem_? The existing ifconfig works fine. This
and that is the dangerous thing about it:
it's working enough, so ip will be always missing (because there
is so little Leidensdruck: 'psychological strain')
But this Oh
On Fri, 5 Apr 2013 09:08:56 +0200
Bastian Bittorf bitt...@bluebottle.com wrote:
You're aware that this man page is available online, right?
http://manpages.ubuntu.com/manpages/precise/en/man8/ip.8.html
strange. here (150 lines, local man-page of ubuntu 13.04):
IP(8)
Linux
IP(8)
* Rob Landley r...@landley.net [04.04.2013 10:03]:
$ man ip | wc -l
1853
$ man ifconfig | wc -l
185
here:
bastian@box:~$ for F in ifconfig arp netstat route; do man $F; done | wc -l
756
bastian@box:~$ man ip | wc -l
150
bastian@box:~$ lsb_release -a
No LSB modules are available.
* Rob Landley r...@landley.net [04.04.2013 10:03]:
I've used ip a couple times. I mostly use ifconfig, because it's
there and I see no upside in using ip. I also use iwlist and
iwlist is also dead since a long time, the successor is 'iw'
which shares/imitates to 'ip' syntax
ifenslave and
On Thu, 4 Apr 2013 10:17:17 +0200 Bastian Bittorf
bitt...@bluebottle.com wrote:
i will. there is no work done anymore on ifconfig, even the manpage
says to switch.
My copy of the ifconfig man page does not mention the ip command, and
certainly does not say to switch.
On Wed, 03 Apr 2013
* Rob Landley r...@landley.net [04.04.2013 10:03]:
I agree ipv6 is coming. I don't understand why you think ifconfig
can't trivially support ipv6. The one in android toolbox does. (Note:
you are right, some people have hacked ipv6-support into ifconfig.
whats missing (because it would break the
* Rob Landley r...@landley.net [04.04.2013 10:03]:
Yup, just pulled up my old Red Hat 9 image under qemu and did
ifconfig eth0 10.0.2.15/31 and it worked fine.
you are right, shame on me.
Heh, it's still up at http://busybox.net/downloads/qemu/ if you'd
like to try that yourself.
-
On Thu, Apr 04, 2013 at 10:09:39AM +0200, Bastian Bittorf wrote:
bastian@box:~$ man ip | wc -l
150
zs@silver:~$ for F in ip ip-address ip-addrlabel ip-link ip-maddress \
ip-monitor ip-mroute ip-neighbour ip-netns ip-ntable ip-route ip-rule \
ip-tunnel ip-xfrm; do man $F; done | wc -l
1956
* David Seikel onef...@gmail.com [04.04.2013 11:25]:
My copy of the ifconfig man page does not mention the ip command, and
certainly does not say to switch.
http://linux.die.net/man/8/ifconfig
http://www.linuxfoundation.org/collaborate/workgroups/networking/net-tools
(seems in debian this note
* Ilya Kuzmich ilya.kuzm...@gmail.com [04.04.2013 11:42]:
bastian@box:~$ man ip | wc -l
150
zs@silver:~$ for F in ip ip-address ip-addrlabel ip-link ip-maddress \
ip-monitor ip-mroute ip-neighbour ip-netns ip-ntable ip-route ip-rule \
ip-tunnel ip-xfrm; do man $F; done | wc -l
1956
thats
On Thu, 4 Apr 2013 11:42:00 +0200 Bastian Bittorf
bitt...@bluebottle.com wrote:
* David Seikel onef...@gmail.com [04.04.2013 11:25]:
My copy of the ifconfig man page does not mention the ip command,
and certainly does not say to switch.
http://linux.die.net/man/8/ifconfig
On Thu, 4 Apr 2013 10:17:17 +0200
Bastian Bittorf bitt...@bluebottle.com wrote:
* Rob Landley r...@landley.net [04.04.2013 10:03]:
I've used ip a couple times. I mostly use ifconfig, because it's
there and I see no upside in using ip. I also use iwlist and
iwlist is also dead since a long
* Isaac Dunham idun...@lavabit.com [04.04.2013 17:51]:
iwlist is also dead since a long time, the successor is 'iw'
which shares/imitates to 'ip' syntax
Oh?
http://wireless.kernel.org/en/users/Documentation/iw
The old tool iwconfing, which uses Wireless Extensions interface, is
deprecated
* Isaac Dunham idun...@lavabit.com [04.04.2013 17:51]:
mount and init have specs in LSB--though it's not enough.
fun fact: they even define 'mailx', 'perl' and 'awk' 8-)
bye, bastian
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On 04/04/2013 03:09:39 AM, Bastian Bittorf wrote:
* Rob Landley r...@landley.net [04.04.2013 10:03]:
$ man ip | wc -l
1853
$ man ifconfig | wc -l
185
here:
bastian@box:~$ for F in ifconfig arp netstat route; do man $F; done |
wc -l
756
Ok.
bastian@box:~$ man ip | wc -l
150
On 04/04/2013 03:17:17 AM, Bastian Bittorf wrote:
* Rob Landley r...@landley.net [04.04.2013 10:03]:
I've used ip a couple times. I mostly use ifconfig, because it's
there and I see no upside in using ip. I also use iwlist and
iwlist is also dead since a long time, the successor is 'iw'
which
On 04/04/2013 04:25:03 AM, Bastian Bittorf wrote:
* Rob Landley r...@landley.net [04.04.2013 10:03]:
Yup, just pulled up my old Red Hat 9 image under qemu and did
ifconfig eth0 10.0.2.15/31 and it worked fine.
you are right, shame on me.
Sorry for complaining about it in the last email
On 04/04/2013 04:42:00 AM, Bastian Bittorf wrote:
* David Seikel onef...@gmail.com [04.04.2013 11:25]:
My copy of the ifconfig man page does not mention the ip command,
and
certainly does not say to switch.
http://linux.die.net/man/8/ifconfig
So a third random guy has an opinion, on the
On 04/04/2013 09:52:47 AM, Isaac Dunham wrote:
On Thu, 4 Apr 2013 10:17:17 +0200
Bastian Bittorf bitt...@bluebottle.com wrote:
if you are
really using 'ifconfig', you should better switch now. the
pain will be much worse if you wait again 2 years...
In what way? I vaguely recall first
On Thu, 4 Apr 2013 11:42:00 +0200
Bastian Bittorf bitt...@bluebottle.com wrote:
* David Seikel onef...@gmail.com [04.04.2013 11:25]:
My copy of the ifconfig man page does not mention the ip command, and
certainly does not say to switch.
http://linux.die.net/man/8/ifconfig
it needed some days to find the right arguments, but i try to make it short:
dont implement 'ifconfig'. it's totally obsolete since nearly 10 years.
nobody uses it anymore, even the manpage of 'ifconfig' shows this in
big letters, it's so much restricted and doesnt know much about networking,
* Roy Tam roy...@gmail.com [03.04.2013 16:23]:
nope. many script does use ifconfig. for example:
http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/linux-networking-3/how-can-i-use-udhcpc-800236/
so if you are using scripts/infrastructure which are older
than 10 years maybe toybox is not for you 8-)
On Wed, 3 Apr 2013 16:05:26 +0200
Bastian Bittorf bitt...@bluebottle.com wrote:
it needed some days to find the right arguments, but i try to make it short:
dont implement 'ifconfig'. it's totally obsolete since nearly 10 years.
nobody uses it anymore, even the manpage of 'ifconfig' shows
On Wed, 3 Apr 2013 17:28:00 +0200
Bastian Bittorf bitt...@bluebottle.com wrote:
* Isaac Dunham idun...@lavabit.com [03.04.2013 17:16]:
I learned Linux in 2006, and use ifconfig all the time.
It's much more informative, much more obvious to use
ofcourse this is always, from which side
* Isaac Dunham idun...@lavabit.com [03.04.2013 20:18]:
If you would read the first _four_ lines instead of the first three, you
would see that your response fails to address what I was saying
(NOTE: there's more information after this quote):
ofcourse i understand your arguments:
- you are
On 04/03/2013 09:05:26 AM, Bastian Bittorf wrote:
it needed some days to find the right arguments, but i try to make it
short:
dont implement 'ifconfig'.
I didn't. A third party submitted it, because they use it. Nobody's
ever bothered to submit ip.
it's totally obsolete since nearly
* Rob Landley r...@landley.net [03.04.2013 21:44]:
it's totally obsolete since nearly 10 years. nobody uses it anymore,
*shrug* I use it. So did the people who submitted their
implementation of it. It's in the $PATH on ubuntu LTS without me
having to install a package to get it.
8-)
On 04/03/2013 10:28:00 AM, Bastian Bittorf wrote:
* Isaac Dunham idun...@lavabit.com [03.04.2013 17:16]:
I learned Linux in 2006, and use ifconfig all the time.
It's much more informative, much more obvious to use
ofcourse this is always, from which side you are looking.
if you are used to
On 04/03/2013 03:21:17 PM, Bastian Bittorf wrote:
* Rob Landley r...@landley.net [03.04.2013 21:44]:
it's totally obsolete since nearly 10 years. nobody uses it
anymore,
*shrug* I use it. So did the people who submitted their
implementation of it. It's in the $PATH on ubuntu LTS without
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