Re: [TruthTalk] Inerrant Bible

2004-03-03 Thread Kevin Deegan
DAVEH: Then how does one explain that some Bibles contain errant headings IF God would not allow it? According to SB (today's radio broadcast), Hebrews is not the only book in question. I just found out today there is a contorversy about the bible dictionary in the back of my bible. There may

Re: [TruthTalk] Inerrant Bible

2004-03-03 Thread Kevin Deegan
DAVEH: Don't you mean to ask, "which translation is the most correct"??? KEVIN: Don't you mean to ask, "Yea, hath God said?" Gen 3:1Dave [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: which translation is correct?DAVEH: Don't you mean to ask, "which translation is the most correct"??? G ~P

Re: [TruthTalk] Last words on Jesus had the same sinful flesh we have.

2004-03-03 Thread Kevin Deegan
Where do you get the teaching that men are born spiritualy alive? What exactly is inheriting a "physical state" ? Why does that state have DEATH attached to it?Dave [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: butthey die; for what reason?DAVEH: They physically die because of inheriting

Re: [TruthTalk] Kingdom Come

2004-03-03 Thread Kevin Deegan
I agree with you, it is helpful if a source is quoted. Poor Ol Jo (thye AUTHOR) LOST 116 pages of the Book o Mormon How can I ever Trust it again?Charles Perry Locke [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks, Kevin. You are faster than a speeding bullet. Your testimony is more powerful than a locomotive.

Re: [TruthTalk] Inerrant Bible

2004-03-03 Thread Kevin Deegan
Charles Perry Locke wrote: DaveH, what is the most perfect book ever written? DAVEH: THE BOOK OF LIFE as described in Rev 20:12. Do you disagree, Perry? KEVIN: Where can I get a copy? Does Deseret Book carry it? What is the most perfect book on earth? Is that book perfect? By the way is your

Re: [TruthTalk] Inerrant Bible

2004-03-03 Thread Charles Perry Locke
DaveH, I would guess so. Regarding this statement: Concerning this record the Prophet Joseph Smith said: 'I told the brethren that the Book of Mormon was the most correct of any book on earth, and the keystone of our religion, and a man would get nearer to God by abiding by its precepts,

Re: [TruthTalk] another pervert in the LDS church

2004-03-03 Thread Kevin Deegan
http://www.whig.com/292270384629817.php Walker was arrested in January and charged with one count of aggravated criminal sexual abuse. The count alleges Walker of having sexual contact with a female under the age of 13 in Nauvoo in May 1998. The incident took place in a Mormon church,

Re: [TruthTalk] The Trinity

2004-03-03 Thread elextech
On Tue, 2 Mar 2004 17:21:51 -0800 (PST) Kevin Deegan [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: VINCE The problem in Mormonism is that you open up again the Roman and Greek idea of there being many gods, which I believe would be contrary to Scripture and the cherished teaching of Scripture that there is only one

Re: [TruthTalk] Inerrant Bible

2004-03-03 Thread elextech
OK, no problem.:) On Tue, 02 Mar 2004 20:34:03 -0800 Dave [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: DAVEH: Ooops.I'm sorry, Vincent. I was in a hurry to leave for work this morning and thought I remembered you responding to my original post on this. Instead, it was Bill who made the

Re: [TruthTalk] Last words on Jesus had the same sinful flesh we have.

2004-03-03 Thread Wm. Taylor
Vince, I would like to say a few words on this, but do it in the context of what Dave H. is wondering about in relation to infants and sin and dying, so if you're interested, watch for a post to Dave H. Bill Taylor Eastern Colorado (where we're a mile high and still below zero today) -

Re: [TruthTalk] Last words on Jesus had the same sinful flesh we have.

2004-03-03 Thread Wm. Taylor
Do you guys mind if I butt in? I do not believe infants can sin either, not if by "sinning" we mean that God holds them accountable for their actions. Young children may do things that are contrary to God's law; in that sense,some may say that they are sinning. But Paul says where there is

Re: [TruthTalk] Last words on Jesus had the same sinful flesh we have.

2004-03-03 Thread elextech
Oh, OK. That sounds like it'll be interesting. vincent j. fulton On Wed, 3 Mar 2004 08:22:52 -0700 Wm. Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Vince, I would like to say a few words on this, but do it in the context of what Dave H. is wondering about in relation to infants and sin and

Re: [TruthTalk] The Trinity

2004-03-03 Thread Kevin Deegan
SorryI just cut pasted it as is.[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, 2 Mar 2004 17:21:51 -0800 (PST) Kevin Deegan<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>writes:VINCE The problem in Mormonism is that you open up again the Roman andGreek idea of there being many gods, which I believe would be contrary toScripture and the

Re: [TruthTalk] Last words on Jesus had the same sinful flesh we have.

2004-03-03 Thread Kevin Deegan
Ignorance is bliss? So if he had continued in that state he would go to heaven?"Wm. Taylor" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Do you guys mind if I butt in? I do not believe infants can sin either, not if by "sinning" we mean that God holds them accountable for their actions. Young children may do

Re: [TruthTalk] Last words on Jesus had the same sinful flesh we have.

2004-03-03 Thread Wm. Taylor
Question: How can a child be born spiritually alive and at the same time be born an heir of Adam, with his sin or fallen nature? I was taught since Sunday School that Adam's sin brought spiritual death to not only himself but all of his descendants. A Possible Answer (and Vince, this is to

[TruthTalk] Last words on Jesus had the same sinful flesh we have.

2004-03-03 Thread Judy Taylor
Ignorance of the law has never been an excuse. We were all born children of wrath - by nature when we were babies. (Ephesians 2:3) Paul was alive once in Adam before the fall but he was never alive in his lifetime until he received Christ - he was born and lived most of his life under the

Re: [TruthTalk] Last words on Jesus had the same sinful flesh we have.

2004-03-03 Thread Wm. Taylor
Kevin, I think people go to hell for one reason: They trample under foot the Lord who redeemed them. This is the blasphemy of the Spirit, of which Jesus speaks. And so in that sense: yes, I think when little children die they go to be with Jesus, they go to heaven. Why? because they have

Re: [TruthTalk] Last words on Jesus had the same sinful flesh we have.

2004-03-03 Thread Wm. Taylor
Yes, Judy. That is one way of looking at this. There may be others. One of those others may even be right. :) Bill - Original Message - From: Judy Taylor To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, March 03, 2004 11:00 AM Subject: [TruthTalk] Last words on Jesus

[TruthTalk] Last words on Jesus had the same sinful flesh we have.

2004-03-03 Thread Judy Taylor
From: "Wm. Taylor" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Question: How can a child be born spiritually alive and at the same time be born an heir of Adam, with his sin or fallen nature? I was taught since Sunday School that Adam's sin brought spiritual death to not only himself but all of his descendants. JT:

RE: [TruthTalk] The passion of Christ

2004-03-03 Thread David Miller
Kevin wrote: Just saying he was a devil. You are side-stepping the issue. I agree that Judas was a devil. That is the point. If Judas was a devil, why didn't Jesus separate from him? That seems to me to contradict your separatist doctrine. Instead, Jesus anointed him to preach and heal the

Fw: RE: [TruthTalk] The passion of Christ

2004-03-03 Thread Judy Taylor
Wait a minute - are you claiming that Jesus anointed Satan to cast out Satan? I don't think that could be right. Jesus said he cast out satan with the finger of God. Of course he knew before it happened who it would be but it had to have been a progression and Satan didn't enter into him until

Re: [TruthTalk] Last words on Jesus had the same sinful flesh we have.

2004-03-03 Thread Wm. Taylor
Judy, it's not that I'm opposed to or even unaware of the format of this forum. I know it ishere so that people can have some give and take. But Judy, I'm not able to do that with you. It's not because I'm not willing to give; it's because you're not willing to give. I'll quickly answer

RE: [TruthTalk] The passion of Christ

2004-03-03 Thread Kevin Deegan
By the way there are still a bunch of devils preaching today.David Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Kevin wrote: Just saying he was a devil.You are side-stepping the issue. I agree that Judas was a devil. Thatis the point. If Judas was a devil, why didn't Jesus separate from him?That seems to me to

Re: [TruthTalk] The Trinity

2004-03-03 Thread elextech
Ok.:) vjf On Wed, 3 Mar 2004 09:21:47 -0800 (PST) Kevin Deegan [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Sorry I just cut pasted it as is. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, 2 Mar 2004 17:21:51 -0800 (PST) Kevin Deegan writes: VINCE The problem in Mormonism is that you open up again the Roman and

Re: [TruthTalk] Last words on Jesus had the same sinful flesh we have.

2004-03-03 Thread Terry Clifton
Hey Bill: I think you may be laboring under an illusion. Not all of us think that it took the go'el. Some of us are so uneducated that we have never heard of go'el. We figure it took the blood shed on the cross, not the blood in our veins. Hope this does not offend you, but

RE: [TruthTalk] The passion of Christ

2004-03-03 Thread Kevin Deegan
Ez 44:23 And they shall teach my people the difference between the holy and profane, and cause them to discern between the unclean and the clean. http://www.townhall.com/columnists/calthomas/ct20030805.shtmlCal Thomas says: "The film is an intense two hours. It uses unknown actors, which keeps

RE: [TruthTalk] The passion of Christ

2004-03-03 Thread David Miller
Kevin wrote: Since you do not hold to separatist view then it is no problem But since you do hold to the separatist view, it is a problem for you. Why don't you abandon that false doctrine in the light of Scripture, or why don't you at least modify your view to conform to Scripture? Peace be

Re: [TruthTalk] Last words on Jesus had the same sinful flesh we have.

2004-03-03 Thread Wm. Taylor
Hey Terry, I hope for your sake it is an illusion, because when I look around, you're not in it. :) Just kidding, just kidding. No really, go'el is a Hebrew transliteration. It means kinsmen redeemer. Why don't you go back to yesterday's posts and see where I explained this term, along

RE: [TruthTalk] The passion of Christ

2004-03-03 Thread David Miller
Kevin wrote: Not interested in UNITY with error. I'm not interested in unity with error either. More importantly, Jesus was not interested in unity with error. Yet, he did not separate from Judas. Would you have treated Judas like Jesus did? If not, then something is wrong with your

Re: [TruthTalk] Last words on Jesus had the same sinful flesh we have.

2004-03-03 Thread Terry Clifton
I understood what you said about a kinsman reedemer in the old testament. I just don't agree that it has to be that waywith Christ. Terry - Original Message - From: Wm. Taylor To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, March 03, 2004 8:48

Re: [TruthTalk] Last words on Jesus had the same sinful flesh we have.

2004-03-03 Thread Wm. Taylor
Thanks David. I appreciate the encouraging words. I would be thrilled to share more about the atonement and redemption. It seems to me the place to start is with the OT terms kipur, pedah, and go'el. I wrote on these yesterday and will post it again here. I you've already read it, let me

[TruthTalk] Last words on Jesus had the same sinful flesh we have.

2004-03-03 Thread Judy Taylor
From: "Wm. Taylor" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Judy, it's not that I'm opposed to or even unaware of the format of this forum. I know it ishere so that people can have some give and take. But Judy, I'm not able to do that with you. It's not because I'm not willing to give; it's because you're not

[TruthTalk] The passion of Christ

2004-03-03 Thread Judy Taylor
DavidM: You must not have read the post I sent explaining how following the moon alone would put the calender off over a period of time and passover would eventually wind up in the fall - hence Babylonian adjustments. It's not me who is complicating things. The expert Mel Gibson used is a Jesuit

[TruthTalk] Last words on Jesus had the same sinful flesh we have.

2004-03-03 Thread Judy Taylor
Hi Terry: If it were that way with Christ we would see it in scripture by two or more witnesses. The kinsman redeemer concept is a beautiful one for Ruth and Boaz who were God's OT covenant people after the flesh. We as gentiles become God's covenant people in Christ after the Spirit - at

[TruthTalk] The passion of Christ

2004-03-03 Thread Judy Taylor
Where did you find the information about the women Kevin? I've read that Monica Belluci who played Mary is Jewish and the daughter of holocaust survivors... Judy From: Kevin Deegan [EMAIL PROTECTED] Ez 44:23 And they shall teach my people the difference between the holy and profane, and