A reading from 1.1, Dogmatics, Word of God, p107 got me to thinking :
If we attach our understanding of scripture to scripture, if we, then, canonize "scripture," we make scripture tradition instead of what God intended it to be -- His self-revelation to man. If our understanding does not pass
LDS history, Blainer.
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DISPUTES SELDOM (DEFINE PLEASE) HAPPEN
Are we talking about my personal history, or the
There's NO BLASPHEMING goin' on, David! That which, IMO, is IN QUESTION
HERE, has nothing to do with your facility as a rationalist, (i.e. your back
and forth with John over logic via syntax) rather, it's your own discerning
'heart'(?). You still don't know yourself, David.
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Rom 10:4 'The Messiah, you see, is the goal of the law, so that covenant
membership may be available for all who believe.'
This is where God's purposes had been heading all along.
David speaks of 'the (his/David's interpretation) truthful aspects of this
passage that I (meaning David's
There is NO MILLENIUM! We are where
HEAVENwill be.
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Lance
If the earth was so
great it wouldnt need redeeming,
'Twas Perry who brought up this film. He did not end up an 'embittered
soldier'.
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Linda
Blessings indeed, Judy.
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Judy, if speaking the
Truth is love, then you deserve a crown of glory. Blessings to you and
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discerning the difference . . .
cd: And the sad part is you
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cd: I don't think Judy needs help from anybody-as She has the Holy Spirit and some lionesses hunt alone..
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From: Judy Taylor
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Sent: 12/19/2005 9:10:36 AM
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] For Dean
Not
cd: Thank you Sister. Knowing Kevin he is out preaching as a lot is happening in his neck of the woods.
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From: Judy Taylor
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Sent: 12/19/2005 8:50:00 AM
Subject: [TruthTalk] For Dean
I'll pray for your localchurch home pilgrimage
Amen Dean! UNTIL YOUR RCC COMMENTS! IMO you should stay with what y'all
understand. Further, IMO, y'all should press the MC on the very central
considerations raised AND camp there 'til they know what evangelical
'discernment' is on such.
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I concur that Judy has all the help she needs(ed) (gone
but not forgotten. I was joking.
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Sent: December 20, 2005 06:41
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] For Dean
cd: I don't think Judy needs
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Sent: 12/19/2005 10:17:23 AM
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Saturday Sabbath
cd: Is John and the LDS in agreement now?
You might actually try reading some of my posts rather than sitting there
cd: Then you are looking as a blind man would -Judys love is in her desire to help you and others on better understanding God's word-as that strengthens you souls and it's relationship with the creator-This is why she fights put so much energy into her work-for you and the others.
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OrTerry has discerned and, expressed that which he
discerned.
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Moore
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Sent: December 20, 2005 06:58
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Saturday
Sabbath
cd: Then you are looking as a blind man
The Christ of the RCC is no different from the Christ I serve. That RCC theology is too full of tradition and works, we would probably agree. but if we roll all of RCC doctrine into the concept of "Christ," we comdemn ourselves by that action and for much of the same reasons.
jd
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The failure of the "inspired" on this forum to answer or even try to answer questions concerning their doctrine of "spiritual discernment," its detachment from
mental processes, and the infallible nature of its interpretive conclusions gives rise to the importance of a hermeneutical rule that
AMEN!! They can however 'suggest' (view from a
distance while not accusing) BLASPHEMY vis a vis those who do not concur with
their position.
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Would you care to expand on that statement?
Lance Muir wrote:
There is NO MILLENIUM! We are where
HEAVENwill be.
MessageThanks for sharing this thesis, Lance. I enjoyed reading a
historical and theological treatment of the home church movement's
eschatological views from an old world English perspective.
Peace be with you.
David Miller.
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Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with
You could be right, Dean.
Dean Moore wrote:
cd: Then you are looking as a blind man would -Judys love is in
her desire to help you and others on better understanding God's word-as
that strengthens you souls and it's relationship with the creator-This
is why she fights put so
JD wrote:
My question is this -- when we do disagree on a
passage of scripture -- who is right? You with
your doctrine of divine illumination?And when
you and Judy, believing the very same thing about
spiritual discernment disagree -- who is right in
that case?
Obviously it
Only slightly, Terry.
The former is, IMO obviously, a
biblical/theological construction which was a mistake to begin with. It has
since taken on a life of it's own.
The latter simply means that in the 'end' the
kingdom will be on earth.
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From:
Terry
Terry wrote to Judy:
I would suggest first, that you need not respond
to every post. Let some of them go by without
a comment. Second, you might ask why a person
came to his or her conclusion rather than just telling
them flat out that they do not know what they are
talking about.
I have
I ask you, David. Should Judy be more 'empathetic' toward these?
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Sent: December 20, 2005 09:36
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Terry wrote to Judy:
I would suggest first, that you need not
Judy wrote:
I'm really sorry that what the Lord has
done in me so far is not up to standard.
All I really have to give is my time and
love for God's Word.
I think what the Lord has done in you thus far is way above standard and
needed by all of us. Please don't let criticisms, especially
JD wrote:
These words I didn't understand it JD, It was
incomprehensible to me struck me as casting
my writing in the same light as DM often does.
I regard such as blatant arrognace.
This is your example of arrogance? You are only projecting your own
arrogance upon Judy. You think
John quoted Barth as saying:
More than anything else placed in the church,
the biblical record is the successor to the apostles.
Fair points about Barth's respect for the Bible, but he did miss it a little
with this statement, in my opinion. The apostles were and are the
successors to the
Lance wrote:
I ask you, David. Should Judy be more
'empathetic' toward these?
That is a difficult question for me because I think I err on the other side
of being too empathetic at times. Judy helps balance me, and if she were as
empathetic as me, we would lose something important.
His reference is to the 12 and with that in mind, would you not agree?
jd
-- Original message -- From: "David Miller" [EMAIL PROTECTED] John quoted Barth as saying: More than anything else placed in the church, the biblical record is the successor to the apostles.
John wrote:
The failure of the inspired on this forum to answer
or even try to answer questions concerning their
doctrine of spiritual discernment, its detachment
from mental processes, and the infallible nature of
its interpretive conclusions gives rise to the importance
of a hermeneutical
John wrote:
His reference is to the 12 and with that
in mind, would you not agree?
No, I still think it puts the emphasis in the wrong place. Apostles are
basically doers of the Bible. The twelve would never had been if the
Biblical record had not come first. We have added some of their
I also do not wish to lose what Judy brings to the 'mix'.
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Lance wrote:
I ask you, David. Should Judy be more
'empathetic'
Well said, pastor.
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Judy wrote:
I'm really sorry that what the Lord has
done in me so far is not up to standard.
All I really
What the Lord has done for Judy is not in question by anyone on this list.
jd
-- Original message -- From: "David Miller" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Judy wrote: I'm really sorry that what the Lord has done in me so far is not up to standard. All I really have to give is my
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-- Original message -- From: "David Miller" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Lance wrote: I ask you, David. Should Judy be more 'empathetic' toward these? That is a difficult question for me because I think I err on the other side of being too
I explained why I used the word "arrogance."
You will excuse me for speaking from my perspective which is the proverbial dirty end of the stick -- Judy being on the sanitized end. I am not in need of a mother, David.
jd
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I agree that there will be a new Heaven and a new earth. How they will
be connected or seperated is beyond me. I would think that I would
quickly tire of walking streets of gold but at the same time, I want to
be where Jesus is.
When you speak of no millenium, do you mean no thousand year
You are probably on to something here, David. I cannot say for sure.
Anyone who loves the Lord will, if for no other reason than to be
obedient, love the Lord's people. I am saying that I could not see it
in the way she responded to people. Judy is not the only one on here to
affect me
Yes, that is what I mean, Terry.
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Sent: December 20, 2005 13:53
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Question for
Lance
I agree that there will be a new Heaven and a new earth.
How they will be
Ya know, I kinda had the same reaction but, thought
I ought not say so. Now that you have expressed what I thought
(!), I'll just say AMEN
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An interesting article forwarded to me by a friend:
http://cnn.netscape.cnn.com/news/package.jsp?name=fte/notbelieveingod/notbelieveingodfloc=wn-nt
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Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you
ought to answer every man. (Colossians 4:6)
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-- Original message -- From: "David Miller" [EMAIL PROTECTED] JD wrote: My question is this -- when we do disagree on a passage of scripture -- who is right? You with your doctrine of
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-- Original message -- From: "David Miller" [EMAIL PROTECTED] John wrote: The failure of the "inspired" on this forum to answer or even try to answer questions concerning their doctrine of
To succeed someone is not to place one above the other. but, perhaps you shouldreadthe referenced passage for yourself. You may change your mind.
jd
-- Original message -- From: "David Miller" [EMAIL PROTECTED] John wrote: His reference is to the 12 and with that
cd: Thank you botherMarlin for this site-good stuff-I have saved it to my computer:-)
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Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Saturday Sabbath
"Over one hundred years ago the Catholic
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Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Saturday Sabbath
I love the Bible! In church, we are currently studying the DC, but will begin the Old Testament in January, for a year. Last year we studied the
cd: John Rom.14 again is speaking of eating certain food on feast days called Holy Days and to not judge you brother for eating certain foods -read the entire verse and tell me how many times food, or eating,or drinking is mention in that chapter? It is mentioned 19 times John-now tell me what
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Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Saturday Sabbath/Other lost Israelite sheep
JD was just stating a biblical truth, Dean. Jesus said several times he was sent to the house of Israel ONLY!!! He never
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From: Lance Muir
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: 12/20/2005 6:48:08 AM
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Cross
Amen Dean! UNTIL YOUR RCC COMMENTS! IMO you should stay with what y'all understand. Further, IMO, y'all should press the MC on the very central
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Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Cross
The Christ of the RCC is no different from the Christ I serve. That RCC theology is too full of tradition and works, we would
cd: Judy I will miss you-know that we need you-that is why I came back-I hope you do the same-Terry is not who he seems don't let him hurt you -fight the good fight.
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Sent:
David Miller wrote:
Obviously it depends upon the specific situation,
but if I have received a divine illumination concerning
a topic or passage of Scripture, I should not relinquish
that understanding simply because someone else has a
different perspective.
John wrote:
You mean when
John wrote:
At no time do I beleive that you or anyone
else possesses truth that cannot be wrong.
By definition, truth cannot be wrong. Therefore, the truth I possess cannot
be wrong, neither can the truth that you possess be wrong. If something you
hold to is found to be wrong, you can be
Blainerb: Apparently I am not the first to
wonder if the loss of blood at Gethsemane was considerable. See
below:
In a message dated 12/19/2005 8:53:15 P.M. Mountain Standard Time,
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Although some authors have suggested that hematidrosis produced
hypovolemia,
Weren't we talking about holy day obsevances? You have added a traditional point of view to the text, which is fine, but it is a tradition I do not accept. Paul is dealing with Jewish issues in Romans 14, which would include the Sabbath. That opinion is a tradition as well.But I believe the
My Jesus, Dean, IS NOT DEFINED by the traditons of men. Was Jesus born of a virgin. Was He , at the same time, the Son of God? Is He the Creator of the worlds. Was he reased from the dead ? Is it His sacrifice that presents us with the forgiveness of sins? Yes to all this -- and the RCC is fully
-- Original message -- From: "David Miller" [EMAIL PROTECTED] John wrote: At no time do I beleive that you or anyone else possesses truth that cannot be wrong. By definition, truth cannot be wrong. Therefore, the truth I possess cannot be wrong, neither can the
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