On Fri, 20 Jan 2006 06:39:56 + [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Bill says that the incarnate Christ was holy because He was God on
earth.
Judy says He was not God on earth and His holiness came from the fact
that He
had no earthly faither.
JD when are you going to get a hold
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From: Debbie Sawczak
To: 'Lance Muir'
Sent: January 19, 2006 23:48
Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Something to think about
"I did not make it; no, it is making me; it is the very
truth of God, not the invention of any man." --Rich Mullins, in the song
Creed.
Do you now or, have you recently, TAUGHT THIS IN
ANY CHURCH?
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From:
Judy
Taylor
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: January 20, 2006 04:13
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Uncleanness come
via the woman
On Fri, 20 Jan 2006 06:39:56
Are you worried Lance?
Don't you think God can take care of His Word?
Should we replicate the heresy hunting
of the Patriarchs and try to keep things a bit more
pure?
On Fri, 20 Jan 2006 05:51:17 -0500 "Lance Muir" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Do you now or, have you recently, TAUGHT THIS IN
FWIW Judy, I'm confident that DM, BT, JD and G
would never allow you, given your 'teaching' on TT to teach in their respective
churches.No Judy, I'm not worried. Most would have sufficient discernment
to see this.
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From:
Judy
Taylor
To:
Either faith in Christ is faith in God or, it is
idolatry.
So???
Most would not allow Jesus himself into their churches
to teach even as early as the
2nd Century he was outside knocking on the
door.
On Fri, 20 Jan 2006 06:18:40 -0500 "Lance Muir" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
FWIW Judy, I'm confident that DM, BT, JD and G
would never allow you,
Now where didthat profound thought came
from?
What about faith in God by way of the Church
Fathers? What is that?
On Fri, 20 Jan 2006 06:31:36 -0500 "Lance Muir" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Either faith in Christ is faith in God or, it is
idolatry.
Judy, hereafter nicknamed 'Jesus', shall
nonetheless be subject to the same appraisal as was Judy Taylor.
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From:
Judy
Taylor
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Cc: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: January 20, 2006 06:30
Subject: Re:
So Lance where do you get your anointing as
"chief appraiser?" It's one that is not listed in all the
NT
On Fri, 20 Jan 2006 06:35:24 -0500 "Lance Muir" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Judy, hereafter nicknamed 'Jesus', shall
nonetheless be subject to the same appraisal as was Judy Taylor.
You critiqued the course outline by Victor Shepherd
as to its inordinant 'theological' focus. Are you aware that the majority of
practicing scientists who are themselves Christians hold to some form of
evolution.? Do you?
You drew a one-for-one comparison between your
(potential) treatment vis a vis teaching and, that of Jesus. I just noticed it,
that's all, Judy.
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From:
Judy
Taylor
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Cc: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent:
Did you at some point in time take a course in
rebuttal which abbreviated everything to nya, nya, nay?
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From:
Judy
Taylor
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Cc: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: January 20, 2006 06:36
Subject: Re:
Hi Dean, thanks for caring enough about this
subject to search out and post this. I hope you do not mindifI
decline comment, as it is much too long to critique point by point. I would
prefer if you would paraphrase Darby's points if there be something you want to
emphasize; then I could
I corrected Judy's only
disagreement with my understanding of her position, Dean. So may I ask that you
please go through it and then answer my question?
And Judy, may I ask you to go
point by pointthrough my summary of your position andtell me where
and how I have misrepresented it?
While the Pharisees were
gathered together, Jesus asked them,saying, "What do you think about the
Christ? Whose Son is He?" They said to Him, "The Son of David."He
said to them, "How then does David in the Spirit call Him 'Lord,'
saying:'The LORD said to my Lord, "Sit at My right hand,
IFO and, I may be the last holdout as to Judy's
self-awareness, believe Judy to be quite unaware of what she's doing. Have you
ever heard Gracie Allen? FWIW, I believe this equally of David
Miller.
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From:
Taylor
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
I will still entertain that possibility, Lance;
however, it is becoming rather obvious to me that her constant attacks against
the early fathers (not to mention every other theologian we hold dear) is really
an attack against us. I wonder if she notices that my arguments have come from
I see what you see, Bill. Yes, it is nigh on
impossible to hold the position that I yet do. I've posted some old Burns
Allen. See if you don't think that Judy might be a TT counterpart to
Gracie.
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From:
Taylor
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Doesn't take much for you to dive into the
character assassination again does it Bill?
Why is this so close to the surface with
you? It's much easier to think the best of ppl and leave
the
judgment to the one who judges
righteously.
On Fri, 20 Jan 2006 05:44:54 -0700 "Taylor" [EMAIL
No Bill and Lance, the attack is against the
doctrines that do not conform you to godliness and
holiness.
I am amazed that anyone reading Church history
would want to hold the early fathers in such honor and follow
their example. With their
politics, heresy hunting, banishing those who
CALLING DAVID MILLER: ARISE THOU THAT SLEEPEST!
You've not had a more important discussion (potentially) on TT, David. Why are
you in semi-hybernation? You posted as temp mod a week or so ago on the most
petty of matters yet, you fail to come forward, comprehensively, on such as
this! WHY?
From: "David Miller" [EMAIL PROTECTED]Judy wrote: If God was concerned enough about sin to
cursehis creation at the start then why would he send a Redeemer
who is under the curse to take careof things? Does not even make
common sense.
1 Corinthians 1:18-19(18) For the preaching of the cross
Judy wrote:
Wm Standish Reed MD of the Christian Medical Foundation
of Tampa Florida writes concerning the supernatural conception
of Jesus in the womb of Mary - The female ovum itself has no
blood, neither the male sperm; but it is when these come together
in the fallopian tube that
Judy wrote:
I am amazed that anyone reading Church history
would want to hold the early fathers in such honor
and follow their example. With their politics, heresy
hunting, banishing those who didn't agree with them
etc. Where is the love? and faith for that matter.
Why choose dead
Lance wrote:
CALLING DAVID MILLER: ARISE THOU
THAT SLEEPEST! You've not had a more
important discussion (potentially) on TT, David.
Why are you in semi-hybernation? You posted
as temp mod a week or so ago on the most petty
of matters yet, you fail to come forward, comprehensively,
on such
Lance wrote:
You critiqued the course outline by Victor Shepherd
as to its inordinant 'theological' focus. Are you aware
that the majority of practicing scientists who are
themselves Christians hold to some form of evolution.?
Do you?
I am aware of that. I am a creationist, and probably
Lance wrote:
FWIW Judy, I'm confident that DM, BT, JD
and G would never allow you, given your
'teaching' on TT to teach in their respective churches.
Your confidence is misplaced in regards to me on this. Judy is most welcome
to share such in our church.
David Miller.
--
Let your
Judy has made it clear - whether she admits it or not -- that I (and Bill and Gary and Lance and ) am not ajoint participant with her in the gospel.
Would she allowed to teach her thougths in a church pastored by yours truly?
In a word -- the confession that "Jesus Christ came in the
I don't mean to sound insulting, John, but what you write below sounds like
legalism to me. I don't know how it is that you cannot see that.
David Miller.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org ; TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: Friday, January
From: "David Miller" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Judy wrote: I am amazed that anyone reading
Church history would want to hold the early fathers in such
honor and follow their example. With their politics,
heresy hunting, banishing those who didn't agree with them etc.
Where is the love? and faith
I think the problem, here, is that yoou consider me to be someone who has no boundaries. Not true, as it turns out.
I would argue with your conclusion as regards me. A true legalist would put Judy on the outside of the Assembly and refuse to let her anywhere near that body of believers.
Let
Hi Judy. Calvin is generally NOT considered a church father. I think over
generalization is a big problem here.
By the way, the writings of Calvin might disagree slightly with you about
the reason for the Virgin birth, but they seem to be saying the same thing
as you in regards to Jesus
Well said, David.
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From: David Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: January 20, 2006 12:19
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Judy, Lance, Bill, John, David?
Judy wrote:
I am amazed that anyone reading Church history
would want to hold the early
Yikes.
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From: David Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: January 20, 2006 12:23
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] CALLING DAVID MILLER! You SAID that God had shown
you good things about Bill Taylor did you not?
Lance wrote:
CALLING DAVID
Yikes again.
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From: David Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: January 20, 2006 12:40
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Uncleanness come via the woman
Lance wrote:
FWIW Judy, I'm confident that DM, BT, JD
and G would never allow you, given your
Well said again, David.
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From: David Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: January 20, 2006 16:09
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Judy, Lance, Bill, John, David?
Hi Judy. Calvin is generally NOT considered a church father. I think
over
Good points, here.
jd
-- Original message -- From: "David Miller" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi Judy. Calvin is generally NOT considered a church father. I think over generalization is a big problem here. By the way, the writings of Calvin might disagree slightly with you
Typically, we see the debate "for" and "against" the Law as we compare two verses -- Mat 5:17 and Romans 10:4. Proof-texts for each of the two sides of this argument.
I think part of the problem (as with others) is tied to the fact that all of us, all of us, are literalists when comes to SOME
- see my comments below
-- Original message -- From: "David Miller" [EMAIL PROTECTED] John wrote: I think the problem, here, is that yoou consider me to be someone who has no boundaries. Actually, just the OPPOSITE. Legalists have boundaries. Yes, but I wasn't
Simply incredible !!
jd
-- Original message -- From: Judy Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Doesn't take much for you to dive into the character assassination again does it Bill?
Why is this so close to the surface with you? It's much easier to think the best
By Jove, I believe you have nailed !! it goes in my journal !!
jd
-- Original message -- From: "Lance Muir" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Either faith in Christ is faith in God or, it is idolatry.
Nonsense. You have a terrible view of the Larger Church and one that is not in tune with reality.
jd
-- Original message -- From: Judy Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED]
So???
Most would not allow Jesus himself into their churches to teach even as early as the
2nd Century he
And[Judy's] response is just one more avoidancetechnique Sigh!!
-- Original message -- From: Judy Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Now where didthat profound thought came from?
What about faith in God by way of the Church Fathers? What is that?
On Fri, 20 Jan 2006
Man, I think I have misspoken !!
Judy attributes the following to me.Understand, I have not seen the post from Lance , in which these words apparently originated - so , of course , without any context at all, I decide that the following is appropriate ! I do hope Lance understands.
I have to
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