Re: [TruthTalk] The Humanity of Jesus

2005-08-27 Thread Bill Taylor
KJV Matthew 24:24 For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect. NIV Matthew 24:24 For false Christs and false prophets will appear and perform great signs and miracles

Re: [TruthTalk] The Humanity of Jesus

2005-08-26 Thread Bill Taylor
John wrote The "miracles of the dark side are not miracles at all only trickery. He is The False Prophet -- his teachings are clearly idiotsy if they have to do with purpose, destiny, and life. We canglory in the knowledge that a disciple cannot be tricked out ofher salvation

Re: [TruthTalk] Adam - sin - and the rest of us

2005-08-20 Thread Bill Taylor
Are all illnesses demonic in your opinion -- whether physical or mental or a combination of both? Martin Luther was a textbook bi-polar. Do you think that precluded him from being a Christian, as in a true believer? Just curious what you think, Bill - Original Message - From:

Re: [TruthTalk] The Humanity of Jesus

2005-08-09 Thread Bill Taylor
scriptural caution against adding or taking from what is written. judyt On Mon, 8 Aug 2005 06:52:53 -0600 "Bill Taylor" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Well, it's not posted at the time you made the claim, but maybe you referenced itat some other time. Bil

Re: [TruthTalk] The Humanity of Jesus

2005-08-08 Thread Bill Taylor
:29 -0600 "Bill Taylor" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hi Judy, where did you come up with this idea concerning bishops "who wanted to stay true to scripture and resisted addingan extra biblical definition"? To my knowledge, I've not come across it befo

Re: [TruthTalk] The Humanity of Jesus

2005-08-07 Thread Bill Taylor
If it is in response to the dialogue between DavidM and me, then you should know that I do notadvocate Docetism, Donatism, Arianism,or any other ism. That's interesting, Judy. I seem to remember you referring to the Arian bishopsat Nicea as the "Bereans," who finally caved into Athanasius'

Re: [TruthTalk] The Humanity of Jesus

2005-08-07 Thread Bill Taylor
just like the Donatists were hunted down by Augustine and Servetus was hunted down by Calvin. On Sun, 7 Aug 2005 09:06:09 -0600 "Bill Taylor" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: If it is in response to the dialogue between DavidM and me, then you should know that I do

Re: [TruthTalk] The Humanity of Jesus

2005-08-07 Thread Bill Taylor
Judy wrote It can be truly said that he took our fallen natures upon Himself at Calvary from noon to 3 p.m. when everything went black and the earth quaked. Hi Judy.You've madethis claimon numerous occasions: Can you tell me where exactly in Scripture it is stated? Bill -

Re: [TruthTalk] The Humanity of Jesus

2005-08-07 Thread Bill Taylor
On Sun, 7 Aug 2005 16:05:11 -0600 "Bill Taylor" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Judy wrote It can be truly said that he took our fallen natures upon Himself at Calvary from noon to 3 p.m. when everything went black and the earth quaked. Hi Judy.You've madethis claimo

Re: [TruthTalk] The Humanity of Jesus

2005-08-07 Thread Bill Taylor
is) bishops finally caved? JD-Original Message-From: Bill Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Sun, 7 Aug 2005 15:31:43 -0600Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The Humanity of Jesus On Tue, 28 Jun 2005 02:10:26 -0400 [EMA

Re: [TruthTalk] Spiritual death

2005-07-31 Thread Bill Taylor
Yeah, I know it is. Bill - Original Message - From: ShieldsFamily To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: Friday, July 29, 2005 9:23 PM Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Spiritual death We had an enjoyable family discussion around the dinner table tonight about,

Re: [TruthTalk] Spiritual Death

2005-07-31 Thread Bill Taylor
Bill wrote Okay, I willaddress your question and then try to summarize my position. I chose not to answer your question for the following reason: implicit in your wording is the assumption that we can separate the spirit aspect of personhood from the other aspects, the whole of which

Re: [TruthTalk] Spiritual death

2005-07-29 Thread Bill Taylor
- Original Message - From: ShieldsFamily To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: Thursday, July 28, 2005 8:03 PM Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Spiritual death BT:Izzy, maybe you can help me out here, but

Re: [TruthTalk] Spiritual death

2005-07-29 Thread Bill Taylor
Izzy, let's not be silly. You've got one body and it's getting older. Bill - Original Message - From: ShieldsFamily To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: Friday, July 29, 2005 3:00 AM Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Spiritual death Iz: I'm sure there's

Re: [TruthTalk] Spiritual death

2005-07-29 Thread Bill Taylor
No, my point was firstly that it was a non-biblical term -- so be honest enough to recognize that you too are putting your trust in a "doctrine of man";and secondly that it wasinaccurate -- if what you areactually holding to is the idea of a literal spiritual death. Bill - Original

Re: [TruthTalk] Spiritual death

2005-07-29 Thread Bill Taylor
No one has changed any words, Kevin. This is a false accusation. I changed the translation of a word to more accurately reflect the original intent. bill - Original Message - From: Kevin Deegan To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: Friday, July 29, 2005 5:45 AM

Re: [TruthTalk] Spiritual death

2005-07-29 Thread Bill Taylor
Yeah, I suppose so -- AS LONG AS YOU REALIZE THAT YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT A METAPHOR NOW! Your "spirit" is growing stronger because of Christ IN you via the Holy Spirit. That is differentthanyou in Christ, in terms of your existence. Bill - Original Message - From:

Re: [TruthTalk] Spiritual death

2005-07-29 Thread Bill Taylor
I am not interested in going down the same road again, so I will abstain from answering your question. God's blessings, Bill By the way, I think I understand your position. Thank you for expressing it. - Original Message - From: ShieldsFamily To:

Re: [TruthTalk] Spiritual death

2005-07-29 Thread Bill Taylor
IF it were the same, then how could you have existed prior to your reception of the Holy Spirit? In Christ is the existence of everything. Christ in you is exclusive in that he is present only in believers; hence their hope of glory. Bill - Original Message - From:

Re: [TruthTalk] Spiritual death

2005-07-29 Thread Bill Taylor
Spiritual death Thats always the line! The watchtower did not change anywords either, they changed the translation,see the NWT!Bill Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: No one has changed any words, Kevin. This is a false accusation. I changed the translation

Re: [TruthTalk] Spiritual death

2005-07-29 Thread Bill Taylor
Izzy asks Do you have a “biblical term” that expresses man’s spiritual condition prior to receiving Christ as Savior and Lord? Okay, I willaddress your question and then try to summarize my position. I chose not to answer your question for the following reason: implicit in your wording

Re: [TruthTalk] Spiritual death

2005-07-29 Thread Bill Taylor
Col 1.16 For by Him all things were created that are in heaven and that are on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or principalities or powers. All things were created through Him and for Him. 17 And He is before all things, and in Him all things consist. It is not

Re: [TruthTalk] Spiritual death

2005-07-29 Thread Bill Taylor
Yes, "Pantheism" means "allis God." That, however, is not what I am suggesting. As to your other comment, I will direct you to the post I sent to Izzy. Bill - Original Message - From: Judy Taylor To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Cc: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org

Re: [TruthTalk] Spiritual death

2005-07-29 Thread Bill Taylor
I fixed a typo. - Original Message - From: Bill Taylor To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: Friday, July 29, 2005 5:45 PM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Spiritual death Col 1.16 For by Him all things were created that are in heaven and that are on earth, visible and invisible

Re: [TruthTalk] Spiritual death

2005-07-28 Thread Bill Taylor
Bill in Black - Original Message - From: ShieldsFamily To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: Wednesday, July 27, 2005 5:47 PM Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Spiritual death Izzy is red: From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: [TruthTalk] Spiritual death

2005-07-27 Thread Bill Taylor
Please tell me, though, if you can the answer to my question: How is one regenerated if one was not dead in the first place? Thanks for your patience. izzy I will do that, Izzy, as best I can, but I would like to first address something else you said, and then use that as a segue into a

Re: [TruthTalk] Spiritual death

2005-07-27 Thread Bill Taylor
ble for a believer to sin) Romans 6:8 - Dead with Christ Colossians 2:20 Dead to the basic principles of the world Galatians 2:19 I through the law died to the law; (dead to the law) Colossians 3:3 For you died and your life is hidden with Christ in God (believers are

Re: [TruthTalk] your job

2005-07-26 Thread Bill Taylor
I'll be five weeks in training (indoctrination)before I start teaching. Some of it will be helpful; most of it just learning how to do things the CCA way. Bill - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: Monday, July 25,

Re: [TruthTalk] Spiritual death

2005-07-26 Thread Bill Taylor
: Judy Taylor To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Cc: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2005 2:57 AM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Spiritual death On Mon, 25 Jul 2005 23:13:18 -0600 "Bill Taylor" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Mar 12.30 'And

Re: [TruthTalk] Spiritual death

2005-07-26 Thread Bill Taylor
make it so difficult?? Leave the infants, unborn babies and mentally retarded in the hands of a faithful Creator.We don't need to be anxious over them jt On Mon, 25 Jul 2005 23:08:22 -0600 "Bill Taylor" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Perry wrote The greater message he

Re: [TruthTalk] Spiritual death

2005-07-26 Thread Bill Taylor
were dead. The cross stands as that which gave them life. Bill - Original Message ----- From: Bill Taylor To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2005 7:17 AM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Spiritual death I have not one time claimed that Jesus' st

Re: [TruthTalk] Spiritual death

2005-07-26 Thread Bill Taylor
c: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2005 8:23 AM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Spiritual death On Tue, 26 Jul 2005 07:56:22 -0600 "Bill Taylor" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: jt: Bill, I don't see it as ridicule to say what the Bible says.

Re: [TruthTalk] Spiritual death

2005-07-26 Thread Bill Taylor
Bill, the reason they aren’t serving God with their mind, body, soul is because they are spiritually separated from Him (dead—not physically but spiritually!). Izzy Do you mean that their spirits are literally dead? If so, then how can they, of their own free will, choose to serve God?

Re: [TruthTalk] Spiritual death

2005-07-26 Thread Bill Taylor
gy and speak instead to the conclusion you have drawn from this metaphor? Bill Thanks, Izzy From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Bill Taylor Judy, I've already clarified this. Why the obstinance? Once again, AND PLEASE TRY TO FOLLOW

Re: [TruthTalk] Spiritual death

2005-07-26 Thread Bill Taylor
Yes, that would at least leave open the possibility for further discussion, without first having to muddle our way through the nuancing of an existing doctrine. Bill - Original Message - From: ShieldsFamily To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: Tuesday, July 26,

Re: [TruthTalk] Spiritual death

2005-07-26 Thread Bill Taylor
- Original Message - From: ShieldsFamily To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2005 10:26 AM Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Spiritual death Izzy in red: From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of

Re: [TruthTalk] Spiritual death

2005-07-26 Thread Bill Taylor
Judy, you are building a strawman. Please either stick with the discussion or drop it altogether. Bill - Original Message - From: Judy Taylor To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Cc: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2005 11:22 AM Subject:

Re: [TruthTalk] Spiritual death

2005-07-26 Thread Bill Taylor
] Spiritual death Got pay ??? -Original Message-From: Bill Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Tue, 26 Jul 2005 09:45:31 -0600Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Spiritual death The prison is in lock-down today -- some kind of weapons

Re: [TruthTalk] Spiritual death

2005-07-26 Thread Bill Taylor
I'll correct some typos below. - Original Message - From: Bill Taylor To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2005 12:21 PM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Spiritual death - Original Message - From: ShieldsFamily

Re: [TruthTalk] Spiritual Death

2005-07-26 Thread Bill Taylor
Please do not respond to the comments I make to other people, Judy. I will show the same courtesy to you. Bill - Original Message - From: Judy Taylor To: truthtalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2005 2:46 PM Subject: [TruthTalk] Spiritual Death

Re: [TruthTalk] Spiritual Death

2005-07-26 Thread Bill Taylor
: Tuesday, July 26, 2005 3:02 PM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Spiritual Death If you don't want a public response Bill then you will need to write to them off-line. I will show the same courtesy when I desire privacy. judyt On Tue, 26 Jul 2005 14:53:45 -0600 "Bill Taylor&qu

Re: [TruthTalk] Spiritual death

2005-07-26 Thread Bill Taylor
Hi Izzy, thanks for your patience too. It is very much appreciated. I am working on a response to your question and will get it posted as soon as I can. Bill - Original Message - From: ShieldsFamily To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2005 4:24

Re: [TruthTalk] Spiritual death

2005-07-26 Thread Bill Taylor
of this? As for those who are unable to reason and understand the gospel, I believe that they are not held accountable until they first know right from wrong and understand that they are sinners, i.e., convicted by the Holy Spirit of their sin. Perry From: Bill Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply

Re: [TruthTalk] Spiritual death

2005-07-26 Thread Bill Taylor
that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved". Both of these apply to me. Would you assume that I am saved because of this?As for those who are unable to reason and understand the gospel, I believe that they are not held accountable until they first know right from wrong and under

Re: [TruthTalk] Spiritual death

2005-07-26 Thread Bill Taylor
Having read the"LDS" response to these purportedly Christian beliefs, Ican'thelp thinkingthat there are far more Mormons around here than I first realized. Maybe John is on to something. Bill - Original Message - From: Kevin Deegan To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org

Re: [TruthTalk] Spiritual death

2005-07-26 Thread Bill Taylor
- Original Message - From: "Charles Perry Locke" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2005 8:34 PM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Spiritual death Bill,It appears in scripture that there is a point at which one becomes"spiritually alive". Often, this

Re: [TruthTalk] Spiritual death

2005-07-25 Thread Bill Taylor
Bill wrote Jesus knows that his hearers will realize that dead people cannot bury dead people. Hence he knows that they will not be able to take his statement literally; they will have to conclude that the first death is representative of something other than yet similar tothe second

Re: [TruthTalk] Spiritual death

2005-07-25 Thread Bill Taylor
Would someone else please step in and help Judy through this?I would very much appreciate it. Thanks, Bill From: Judy Taylor Bill wrote:I actually don't think we've got that much left to argue about. Both you and Judy have said that you do not think of

Re: [TruthTalk] Spiritual death

2005-07-25 Thread Bill Taylor
o tarry from following Jesus until his father passed away, thus putting his family above Jesus. From: "Bill Taylor" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Spiritual death Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2005 21:33:26 -0600

Re: [TruthTalk] Spiritual death

2005-07-25 Thread Bill Taylor
Mar 12.30 'And you shall love the LORD your God with all your heart, with all your soul, with all your mind, and with all your strength.' This is the first commandment. I told Izzy that I thought there was aspiritual element included in Jesus' statement: "Follow me, and let the dead bury

Re: [TruthTalk] Re:John 16:13,14

2005-07-24 Thread Bill Taylor
Bill it looks like you are ducking out on me on this one. If it cannot be supported scripturally you can explain why can’t you? And when I ask you something I don’t want to know what someone other than you thinks/says about it, if you don’t mind. My simple question, which I have asked at

Re: [TruthTalk] Re:John 16:13,14

2005-07-24 Thread Bill Taylor
- Original Message - From: ShieldsFamily To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: Friday, July 22, 2005 9:04 AM Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Re:John 16:13,14 Izzy in bold blue: From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of

Re: [TruthTalk] The Spalding Enigma

2005-07-24 Thread Bill Taylor
This is a very helpful post, John. I think you may be onto something concerning the exchange between Peter and Jesus. Thanks, Bill - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: Sunday, July 24, 2005 9:15 AM Subject: Re:

Re: [TruthTalk] Re:John 16:13,14

2005-07-24 Thread Bill Taylor
Thanks Izzy. I am sorry but I do not have time right now to get started on another long discussion. I am starting a new job tomorrow and will be really swamped for a while. Maybe when time permits, we could come back to this. Bill - Original Message - From: ShieldsFamily

Re: [TruthTalk] The Spalding Enigma

2005-07-24 Thread Bill Taylor
: Re: [TruthTalk] The Spalding Enigma Thanks -- nice to know that I am on the righttrack once in awhile. OW DID TYLER DO LST EVENING Jd-Original Message- From: Bill Taylor wmtaylor@plains.netTo: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Sun, 24 Jul 2005 11:52:32

Re: [TruthTalk] Re:John 16:13,14

2005-07-24 Thread Bill Taylor
Si - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: Sunday, July 24, 2005 12:13 PM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Re:John 16:13,14 The prison thing? -Original Message-From: Bill Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED

Re: [TruthTalk] Re:John 16:13,14

2005-07-24 Thread Bill Taylor
Si, si, senor - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: Sunday, July 24, 2005 12:13 PM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Re:John 16:13,14 The prison? -Original Message-From: Bill Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED

Re: [TruthTalk] Re:John 16:13,14

2005-07-24 Thread Bill Taylor
stuttering. This is awesome (hopefully) Riding to work with Bud No, I'll be driving myself, which is fine with me! JD-Original Message-From: Bill Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Sun, 24 Jul 2005 12:37:50 -0600Subject: Re: [TruthTalk

Re: [TruthTalk] Re:John 16:13,14

2005-07-21 Thread Bill Taylor
Bill in green. - Original Message - From: ShieldsFamily To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: Wednesday, July 20, 2005 9:34 PM Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Re:John 16:13,14 Izzy in pink! From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL

Re: [TruthTalk] John 16:13,14

2005-07-21 Thread Bill Taylor
A born again person whois right with God knows they are born again and right with God. If they don't know this it is a huge red flag - and this man was crying out for help. No, this man was a strong, solid, dedicated believer. His problem was, he had been deceived by people like

Re: [TruthTalk] John 16:13,14

2005-07-21 Thread Bill Taylor
I am glad, David, that you are not immediately jumping to conclusions, either about this man -- his faith, obedience, etc. -- or as to how we may have counseled him through this crisis of faith. Thank you. It demonstrates spiritual maturing on your part. This was a man who had confessed many

Re: [TruthTalk] The Spalding Enigma

2005-07-21 Thread Bill Taylor
Hi David, you have the LXX don't you? Check out its translation of this word translated established in the KJV. It may shed some light on your thoughts as it pertains to a connection between this verse and Lance's post. Those old Jews may have had a pretty good understanding of the Hebrew

Re: [TruthTalk] Re:John 16:13,14

2005-07-20 Thread Bill Taylor
Bill - Original Message - From: Bill Taylor To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: Tuesday, July 19, 2005 10:09 AM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Re:John 16:13,14 That's a fine conject

Re: [TruthTalk] Re:John 16:13,14

2005-07-20 Thread Bill Taylor
I know I’m not up on your doctrinal issues, Bill, so please tell me why you seem to reject the idea of someone being spiritually dead prior to being born again of the Spirit. I’d appreciate it. izzy There are numerous reasons why I reject this doctrine,Izzy, the foremost of which is

Re: [TruthTalk] Re:John 16:13,14

2005-07-20 Thread Bill Taylor
On Tue, 19 Jul 2005 12:04:20 -0700 (PDT) Kevin Deegan [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Ep 2;1 And you hath he quickened, who WERE dead in trespasses and sins Quickened as in made ALIVE those that were DEAD Here is a biblically plausibleexplanation which does not take into viewyour spiritual

Re: [TruthTalk] Spiritual Death was Re:John 16:13,14

2005-07-20 Thread Bill Taylor
than replicating the errors of the ancients. On Wed, 20 Jul 2005 01:53:26 -0600 "Bill Taylor" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

Re: [TruthTalk] Re:John 16:13,14

2005-07-20 Thread Bill Taylor
Bill - Original Message - From: Bill Taylor To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: Tuesday, July 19, 2005 10:09 AM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Re:John 16:13,1

Re: [TruthTalk] Re:John 16:13,14

2005-07-20 Thread Bill Taylor
Sent: Wednesday, July 20, 2005 9:34 AM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Re:John 16:13,14 On Wed, 20 Jul 2005 08:15:23 -0600 "Bill Taylor" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Bill: There are numerous reasons why I reject this doctrine,Izzy, the foremost of which is because

Re: [TruthTalk] Re:John 16:13,14

2005-07-20 Thread Bill Taylor
Then please explain to us what you are talking about and how it differs from Augustine's view. Thanks, Bill - Original Message - From: Judy Taylor To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Cc: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: Wednesday, July 20, 2005 7:10 AM

Re: [TruthTalk] Re:John 16:13,14

2005-07-20 Thread Bill Taylor
not and likeIzzy I am not really interested in the theories of the ancients but if you want to discuss scripture. fine. On Wed, 20 Jul 2005 10:47:37 -0600 "Bill Taylor" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Judy, if you want to tone down the rhetoric and res

Re: [TruthTalk] Re:John 16:13,14

2005-07-20 Thread Bill Taylor
: [TruthTalk] Re:John 16:13,14 On Wed, 20 Jul 2005 12:37:48 -0600 "Bill Taylor" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: JD wrote Judy, I am pretty sure that Bill believes that Christ was God on earth and you do not. JT Why would you believe thatJD? Isn't Bi

Re: [TruthTalk] Spiritual Death was Re:John 16:13,14

2005-07-20 Thread Bill Taylor
countenance, but by sorrow of the heart the spirit is broken (Prov 15:13) A man's spirit can sustain his infirmity but a broken spirit who can bear (Prov 18:14) God says "I formeth the spirit of man within him" (Zech 12:1) Any problem with the above? judyt On Wed, 20 Jul

Re: [TruthTalk] Re:John 16:13,14

2005-07-20 Thread Bill Taylor
Bill in red. - Original Message - From: ShieldsFamily To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: Wednesday, July 20, 2005 10:33 AM Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Re:John 16:13,14 Izzy in blue: From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL

Re: [TruthTalk] Re:John 16:13,14

2005-07-20 Thread Bill Taylor
Thanks David. I'll respond to some of your comments below. - Original Message - From: "David Miller" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: Wednesday, July 20, 2005 3:10 AM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Re:John 16:13,14 Hi Bill. I have been reading with interest your

Re: [TruthTalk] Spiritual Death was Re:John 16:13,14

2005-07-20 Thread Bill Taylor
Death was Re:John 16:13,14 Not a very pleasant way to express yourself Bill. If you have had all you can take - it is your problem rather than mine. Be glad to communicate whenever you have recovered. judyt On Wed, 20 Jul 2005 13:44:04 -0600 "Bill Taylor&qu

Re: [TruthTalk] Re:John 16:13,14

2005-07-20 Thread Bill Taylor
for confirmation. A simple no in answer to her question seems all that is necessary to dispell her incorrect belief, which you wrote very effectively with your response Absolutely not!. If there is something more here I have missed please enlighten me further. Perry the Moderator From: Bill Taylor

Re: [TruthTalk] Re:John 16:13,14

2005-07-19 Thread Bill Taylor
n't you? Bill - Original Message - From: Judy Taylor To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Cc: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: Tuesday, July 19, 2005 12:39 AM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Re:John 16:13,14 On Mon, 18 Jul 2005 20:50:12 -0600 "Bill Taylor"

Re: [TruthTalk] Re:John 16:13,14

2005-07-19 Thread Bill Taylor
That's a fine conjecture, Izzy.But it isonly that. Yours is not a definitive answer. There may also be other ways to address and understand this statement. I am simply attempting to demonstratethat you are calling upon a doctrine to explain that which is not stated explicitly. If you want

Re: [TruthTalk] Re:John 16:13,14

2005-07-19 Thread Bill Taylor
nt which on its face is incomprehensible, in that there is not a one-to-one equivalence between the first use of"dead" and the second use of "dead." Bill - Original Message - From: Bill Taylor To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: Tuesday, July 1

Re: [TruthTalk] Re:John 16:13,14

2005-07-19 Thread Bill Taylor
By the way, Izzy et al, Jesus said, "Follow Me, and let the dead bury their own dead." And some did. My question for you is this: What about those who did follow Jesus, do you think that they were "spiritually" alive? Bill - Original Message -----

Re: [TruthTalk] Re:John 16:13,14

2005-07-19 Thread Bill Taylor
-- From: Judy Taylor To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Cc: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: Tuesday, July 19, 2005 12:47 PM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Re:John 16:13,14 On Tue, 19 Jul 2005 09:52:43 -0600 "Bill Taylor" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes

Re: [TruthTalk] Re:John 16:13,14

2005-07-19 Thread Bill Taylor
DEAD problem is so many were never made alive --- Bill Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That's a fine conjecture, Izzy. But it is only that. Yours is not a definitive answer. There may also be other ways to address and understand this statement. I am simply attempting

Re: [TruthTalk] Re:John 16:13,14

2005-07-19 Thread Bill Taylor
ent: Tuesday, July 19, 2005 12:57 PM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Re:John 16:13,14 On Tue, 19 Jul 2005 10:40:25 -0600 "Bill Taylor" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: By the way, Izzy et al, Jesus said, "Follow Me, and let the dead bury their own dead

Re: [TruthTalk] Re:John 16:13,14

2005-07-18 Thread Bill Taylor
David writes: I hope that you allow that some of us have a different perspective on thispoint. Some here tout Joseph Smith while others tout Barth and Torrance. . . . and others Wesley and Dake. What's your point? Bill

Re: [TruthTalk] Re:John 16:13,14

2005-07-18 Thread Bill Taylor
David writes I don't think I have seen anybody tout Wesley or Dake as authoritative, I suppose in a narrow sense you are partially correct, David. I seem to remember Judy quoting Dake at length and verbatim, yet she did it without even so much as a fleeting reference in his direction.Hence

Re: [TruthTalk] Re:John 16:13,14

2005-07-18 Thread Bill Taylor
Yeah, I get your drift. But I am not so dishonest as to claim this is how it happened in my case. Bill - Original Message - From: ShieldsFamily To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: Monday, July 18, 2005 9:38 PM Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Re:John 16:13,14

Re: [TruthTalk] Re:John 16:13,14

2005-07-18 Thread Bill Taylor
I agree that there is a possibility that two people can come to similar conclusions without the necessity of collaboration, but I find it highly unlikely that they would call their doctrine by the same name and thiswhen the words themselves are not found in the Scriptures. Moreover, one

Re: [TruthTalk] On playing chess On reading/interpreting the Scriptures for living (not for 'A' living)

2005-07-14 Thread Bill Taylor
David wrote concerning Terry's comment: I found nothing dishonest in what you wrote. ... There was definitely a problem in reading you. David, how do you presume to know this, other than in the say way the rest of us might? Terry's word will have to suffice, as far as I'm concerned. Are you privy

Re: [TruthTalk] On playing chess On reading/interpreting the Scriptures for living (not for 'A' living)

2005-07-14 Thread Bill Taylor
By they way, Miller, I don't remember anyone accusing Terry of dishonesty. Why say that you found nothing dishonest in what he wrote? Are you trying to be manipulative? Bill - Original Message - From: David Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: Thursday, July 14,

Re: [TruthTalk] On playing chess On reading/interpreting the Scriptures for living (not for 'A' living)

2005-07-14 Thread Bill Taylor
trying to evaluate the motives of others after the flesh is a dangerous business. Much better to love them and give them the benefit of the doubt. jt From: "Lance Muir" [EMAIL PROTECTED]Bill Taylor raises an interesting point hereunder. I also noted a'recasting' of

Re: [TruthTalk] On playing chess On reading/interpreting the Scriptures for living (not for 'A' living)

2005-07-14 Thread Bill Taylor
Good enough. - Original Message - From: David Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: Thursday, July 14, 2005 8:50 AM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] On playing chess On reading/interpreting the Scriptures for living (not for 'A' living) Bill wrote: David wrote

Re: [TruthTalk] On playing chess On reading/interpreting the Scriptures for living (not for 'A' living)

2005-07-14 Thread Bill Taylor
Judy writes: why did Bill take up an offense over what Terry wrote? He apparently read something into it that was not intended ... As to your second statement, Judy: I have stated repeatedly that I would take Terry's word concerning his intent.That is, as far as I can tell, the most that

Re: [TruthTalk] On playing chess On reading/interpreting the Scriptures for living (not for 'A' living)

2005-07-14 Thread Bill Taylor
, it is a question - and I stand corrected. Sorry Imisunderstood. But I have a question for you Bill. Are you expecting DavidM to respond - Yes Bill I am manipulating? Judyt From: "Bill Taylor" [EMAIL PROTECTED] So that we all understand this: It is alright for Judy to int

Re: [TruthTalk] On playing chess On reading/interpreting the Scriptures for living (not for 'A' living)

2005-07-14 Thread Bill Taylor
Do you feel like you know me better than you know Vladimir Kramnik? Bill - Original Message - From: David Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: Thursday, July 14, 2005 10:37 AM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] On playing chess On reading/interpreting the Scriptures for

Re: [TruthTalk] On playing chess On reading/interpreting the Scriptures for living (not for 'A' living)

2005-07-14 Thread Bill Taylor
Do you consider me a brother in the Lord, Judy? Bill - Original Message - From: Judy Taylor To: truthtalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: Thursday, July 14, 2005 10:39 AM Subject: [TruthTalk] On playing chess On reading/interpreting the Scriptures for living (not

Re: [TruthTalk] On playing chess On reading/interpreting the Scriptures for living (not for 'A' living)

2005-07-14 Thread Bill Taylor
information I have on either man? Bill - Original Message - From: Bill Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: Thursday, July 14, 2005 10:51 AM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] On playing chess On reading/interpreting the Scriptures for living (not for 'A' living) Do you

Re: [TruthTalk] On playing chess On reading/interpreting the Scriptures for living (not for 'A' living)

2005-07-14 Thread Bill Taylor
I will be quite honest with you, David. I think you are playing with words here and being evasive. When I use the word study, I use it inclusively of all our activities having to do with the reading of Scripture, and not in some limited sense with regards to formal training. If you want to go back

Re: [TruthTalk] On playing chess On reading/interpreting the Scriptures for living (not for 'A' living)

2005-07-14 Thread Bill Taylor
- Original Message - From: Bill Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: Thursday, July 14, 2005 2:29 PM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] On playing chess On reading/interpreting the Scriptures for living (not for 'A' living) I will be quite honest with you, David. I think you

Re: [TruthTalk] On playing chess On reading/interpreting the Scriptures for living (not for 'A' living)

2005-07-13 Thread Bill Taylor
Hard to tell based on the limited infomation I have on either man.Terry Isn't it amazing how much less information it takes to determinethe jerks among us? We all get your point, Lance -- and it's a valid one. But please do not toss me out in another of your comparisons, not to this pack

Re: [TruthTalk] On playing chess On reading/interpreting the Scriptures for living (not for 'A' living)

2005-07-13 Thread Bill Taylor
Now this is totally uncalled for,... jt Is it, Judy? How would you know --aren't you the one always claiming she can't read between the lines? I've heard of selective hearing: perhaps yours is related. Again, Lance,please do not toss me out in another of your comparisons, not to this pack

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