[TruthTalk] Happy holidays, seasons greetings, X-mas

2005-12-10 Thread Terry Clifton
We have been watching the news lately, plus getting some stuff by e-mail, and it seems that the world we once knew is no longer to be found. It is bad enough when all the big merchants, such as Wal Mart, Sears, Target and home depot stop advertising Christmas sales and start advertising

Re: [TruthTalk] Happy holidays, seasons greetings, X-mas

2005-12-10 Thread Terry Clifton
Lance Muir wrote: Allow me to raise the level of this conversationO yaa! ROFL Terry

Re: [TruthTalk] New Subject--AE

2005-12-10 Thread Terry Clifton
Just more speculation/ human logic. == Dave Hansen wrote: YES I'd like for you to post the 'newer' material DAVEH: I'm not fond of borrowing material from another forum to post in its entirety, but I find Court Watch's

Re: [TruthTalk] Mr. Cleo

2005-12-09 Thread Terry Clifton
Kevin Deegan wrote: temple stone! I had kinda pictured God in my mind as having a little different hair do. Are you certain this is Him? Terry

Re: [TruthTalk] New Subject--AE

2005-12-08 Thread Terry Clifton
the temptations that Eve failed to avoid? Here's something to ponder: What effect would monkeys, horses or whatever animals inhabiting the Garden of Eden eating the forbidden fruit have had IFF AE hadn't? Terry Clifton wrote: This seems so obvious that it should be hard to miss

Re: [TruthTalk] New Subject--AE

2005-12-08 Thread Terry Clifton
your belief about it though, Terry. Terry Clifton wrote: God's desire was for them to remain pure and innocent, just as would be the desire of any father for his children. The tree was there to give them a choice. We always have a choice to make. If eating the fruit of that tree

Re: [TruthTalk] New Subject-AE

2005-12-08 Thread Terry Clifton
I think you might have missed something, Blaine. There is no reason to think that Judy would not have been here if there had been no fall. The command to "Be fruitful and multiply" came prior to the fall. See Genesis 1:28. Terry [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Blainerb: You seem to be

Re: [TruthTalk] New Subject--AE

2005-12-08 Thread Terry Clifton
. Terry === Dave Hansen wrote: monkeys and horses do not have a soul. DAVEH: ??? Aren't you speculating when you make that claim, Terry? What Biblical evidence supports that theory? Terry Clifton wrote: I won't

Re: [TruthTalk] A tribute to Perusal knowledge

2005-12-08 Thread Terry Clifton
Please do not try to deceive us, IZ. Shabby! Just shabby!! We know rental kids when we see them. Probably from rentakid.com or Family for a day.org. I've seen that dog somewhere before too. Think it was a "Front line" ad. Terry ShieldsFamily wrote: PS I forgot to

Re: [TruthTalk] New Subject-AE

2005-12-08 Thread Terry Clifton
I wasn't there Blaine. If you don't like it, complain to God. He ordered it, not me. I do, however, think it was a great idea. One of the easiest commands to keep. ;-) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Are you saying Adam and Eve were capable of having sex prior to the Fall?? What

Re: [TruthTalk] New Subject--AE

2005-12-07 Thread Terry Clifton
it. Judy wrote: I think they did nto have to transgress and if they had not they would have saved themselves and the rest of humanity all of the heartache, suffering, and misery that has been the human lot since then. Why would the Lord want that for them/us? Terry Clifton

Re: [TruthTalk] The Triune God, Holy Scripture Interpretation - Why diverse understandings vs a unitary understanding?

2005-12-07 Thread Terry Clifton
Some day we will know, as we are known. Lance Muir wrote: Does anyone always and only have an accurate and exhaustive understanding of the entire Biblical corpus? Are we promised any

Re: [TruthTalk] New Subject--AE

2005-12-06 Thread Terry Clifton
perspective, Terry.I assume you believe that God did not want AE to sin though, even though he knew they would. Is that correct? Terry Clifton wrote: Just the facts, Dave. Fact one: Adam and Eve did sin. Fact two: God hates sin. Fact three: Getting people to sin is the top

Re: [TruthTalk] Ebert Roeper give the 'Lion, the witch and the wardrobe' two thumbs up

2005-12-06 Thread Terry Clifton
Lance Muir wrote: Anyone going to see it? What think ye all of C. S. Lewis? The only one I've read is "The Screwtape Letters". I enjoyed it. Terry

Re: [TruthTalk] New Subject--AE

2005-12-06 Thread Terry Clifton
God's desire was for them to remain pure and innocent, just as would be the desire of any father for his children. The tree was there to give them a choice. We always have a choice to make. If eating the fruit of that tree gave you the ability to know good from evil, what else would you call

Re: [TruthTalk] New Subject--AE

2005-12-05 Thread Terry Clifton
Just the facts, Dave. Fact one: Adam and Eve did sin. Fact two: God hates sin. Fact three: Getting people to sin is the top priority of Satan. It's over. We know who to blame. Nothing to discuss. Dave Hansen wrote: No.Actually, I have never heard this question discussed DAVEH:

[TruthTalk] Exodus

2005-12-05 Thread Terry Clifton
How about someone explaining Exodus 4:24? Terry -- Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man. (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.org If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to [EMAIL

Re: [TruthTalk] Judy asks:WHAT STANDARD, PLUMBLINE..EVALUATING TRUTH?

2005-12-05 Thread Terry Clifton
Lance Muir wrote: I shall venture an answer and, would like to hear from all on this. JESUS IS THE STANDARD/PLUMBLINE. To the extent that HE is misrepresented via anything then, to that extent what is said as truth is less than the truth.

Re: [TruthTalk] Exodus

2005-12-05 Thread Terry Clifton
://www.scripturessay.com/q279b.html -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Terry Clifton Sent: Monday, December 05, 2005 7:19 AM To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Subject: [TruthTalk] Exodus How about someone explaining Exodus 4:24? Terry

Re: [TruthTalk] Exodus

2005-12-05 Thread Terry Clifton
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Terry Clifton Sent: Monday, December 05, 2005 5:49 PM To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Exodus I appreciate the link, Iz, but this guy is so far out in left field that he is not even

Re: [TruthTalk] Exodus

2005-12-05 Thread Terry Clifton
illustration here of what God expects of all who lead God's people today. We must first be obedient to God, then we can lead others. On Mon, 05 Dec 2005 17:48:34 -0600 Terry Clifton [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I appreciate the link, Iz, but this guy is so far out in left field that he

Re: [TruthTalk] Exodus

2005-12-05 Thread Terry Clifton
. iz From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Terry Clifton Sent: Monday, December 05, 2005 7:22 PM To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Exodus What in the world would lead you to think that Moses was bedridden, or even slightly

Re: [TruthTalk] Exodus

2005-12-05 Thread Terry Clifton
any other explanations, too. What do you think Terry? iz -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Terry Clifton Sent: Monday, December 05, 2005 5:49 PM To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Exodus I appreciate the link, Iz, bu

Re: [TruthTalk] Exodus

2005-12-05 Thread Terry Clifton
Thanks Dave. Makes more sense than some of the other comments. Terry Dave Hansen wrote: DAVEH: FWIW..http://scriptures.lds.org/jst/ex42427 Terry Clifton wrote: How about someone explaining Exodus 4:24? Terry -- Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt

Re: [TruthTalk] JUDY SAYS THAT THE WORD OF GOD NEEDS NO INTERPRETATION..TWOG IS SPIRITUALLY DISCERNED

2005-12-05 Thread Terry Clifton
I wonder why it didn't catch on? === Kevin Deegan wrote: Thoytom Asse Coria Tushrump codsheadirustie, MungrellimWhereo whish whap ragge dicete tottrie, Mangelusquem verminets nipsem barelybittimsore, Culliandolt travellerebumque,

Re: [TruthTalk] Emailing: sda.htm

2005-12-04 Thread Terry Clifton
WHY IN THE WORLD WOULD ANYONE WHO TRULY KNOWS THE lORD ONLY WORSHIP HIM ONE DAY A WEEK? We are free to worship any day, any place, any time. Live it up! Kevin Deegan wrote: The gift is Jesus Christ NOT Sturday! I believe the SDA have replaced Jesus with the SATURDAY Sabbath only In

Re: [TruthTalk] Emailing: sda.htm

2005-12-04 Thread Terry Clifton
Yes. I know many, including myself. I am surprised that you do not. ShieldsFamily wrote: I dont know anyone who does that, Terry. Do you? iz From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Terry Clifton Sent: Sunday, December 04, 2005

Re: [TruthTalk] Emailing: sda.htm

2005-12-04 Thread Terry Clifton
minute of every day? And I dont know anyone who lives it up any more than I do. (Which often gets me into trouble on TT!) J iz From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Terry Clifton Sent: Sunday, December 04, 2005 1:23 PM To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org

Re: [TruthTalk] Emailing: sda.htm

2005-12-04 Thread Terry Clifton
I thought that I had made that clear in prior posts ShieldsFamily wrote: Do you only worship the Lord on Sunday? iz From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Terry Clifton Sent: Sunday, December 04, 2005 3:23 PM To: TruthTalk

Re: [TruthTalk] Emailing: sda.htm

2005-12-04 Thread Terry Clifton
]] On Behalf Of ShieldsFamily Sent: Sunday, December 04, 2005 9:28 PM To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Emailing: sda.htm Same here. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Terry Clifton Sent: Sunday, December 04, 2005 7:39 PM

Re: [TruthTalk] WHO is the issue? WHAT is the issue?

2005-12-03 Thread Terry Clifton
Lance Muir wrote: WHO? Judy, Linda, Christine, David, Dave, Lance, John, Bill, Kevin, Dean (whoops! not any more), Dave.. WHAT? The matter under discussion. Tell us more about the bridge. Modern or covered? Free or toll? Is it as blue as your car, or one of

Re: [TruthTalk] Unjust?...Filthy?

2005-12-03 Thread Terry Clifton
Lance Muir wrote: Sorry about the bird (I meant to name the Dodo). When one is untentionally funny Judy, people smileA LOT!! We have a dodo farm near us.

Re: [TruthTalk] Re:On Judy once again employing the ad hom (Barf for Karl Barth)

2005-12-03 Thread Terry Clifton
What in the flab is a pastor image? == Kevin Deegan wrote: That was my point here is the guy who preaches against the tough guy image to Dean. Besides where how does the "PASTOR" image fit into this? Judy Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: bush song

2005-12-02 Thread Terry Clifton
Assuming that there will be an earth five hundred years from now would appear to be quite a stretch. Maybe on Kolub?? [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ..and 500 years from now, John Calvin'sincreasingly interesting influenceon globalfellowship with the Christ who partook of our human

Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: bush song

2005-12-02 Thread Terry Clifton
Calvin would have made a good muslim. Judy Taylor wrote: No he didn't, deceived ppl never know they are deceived. Calvin was drinking from a poisoned stream, his mentor was Augustine rather than Christ. I don't agree that he will receive a "well done thou good and faithful

Re: [TruthTalk] Re:On Assuming 500 more years..........

2005-12-02 Thread Terry Clifton
Three reasons. 1. The signs of the times. 2. We have just about used it up. 3. With the population doubling every few years, we will run out of room and food. Lance Muir wrote: Terry: Why? - Original Message - From: Terry Clifton To: TruthTalk

Re: [TruthTalk] Re:On Assuming 500 more years..........

2005-12-02 Thread Terry Clifton
Dream on. Lance Muir wrote: 1. No different than the 'signs' of any other times. 2. No using up goin' on 'round here 3. Ever heard of WAR? - Original Message - From: Terry Clifton To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: December 02

Re: [TruthTalk] Re:On Assuming 500 more years..........

2005-12-02 Thread Terry Clifton
al Message - From: Terry Clifton To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: December 02, 2005 08:44 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Re:On Assuming 500 more years.. Three reasons. 1. The signs of the times. 2. We have just about used it up. 3. With the population doubling

Re: [TruthTalk] Re:On Assuming 500 more years..........

2005-12-02 Thread Terry Clifton
Oh yeah? I suppose you don't think the end will come on September 6, 2006 then in spite of all the evidence! Next thing I know, you be wanting to know "what evidence", as if you weren't up to date on red heifers. Really Lance, how blind can you be? :) Lance Muir wrote: IMO there are NO

Re: [TruthTalk] Re:On Assuming 500 more years..........

2005-12-02 Thread Terry Clifton
, after we reach that point, the world's populations will actually begin to decrease. -Original Message- From: Terry Clifton wabbits1234@earthlink.net To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: Fri, 02 Dec 2005 13:12:41 -0600 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Re:On Assuming 500 more years

Re: [TruthTalk] The Eternal Sonship and the Adoption heresey

2005-12-02 Thread Terry Clifton
I can clear that up in a hot minute. There is God, the Father, and there is God, the Son, and there is God the Holy Spirit. Three persons, one mind, one goal. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Judy -- my point is this: if you reject the notion thatJesus Christ and God are the same, then you

Re: [TruthTalk] Re:On Assuming 500 more years..........

2005-12-02 Thread Terry Clifton
We tortured a prophet until he revealed all he knew. ShieldsFamily wrote: Oh, Sept 6 sounds great to me! Where did you hear that, Terry? iz From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Terry Clifton Sent: Friday, December 02, 2005 4:31 PM

Re: [TruthTalk] 'Calvin's beliefs are of Satan-He was an evil man' says Dean Moore

2005-11-29 Thread Terry Clifton
Here is the absolute truth. Calvin was a sinner, just like you , just like me. God has all the facts and has treated him justly. It is not something we need to worry about. There are people who need loving and souls that need saving. You cannot do either with your nose in a book. Terry

Re: [TruthTalk] Calvin is just you and me in a different setting (Yes I know 'It may be you, Lance but...)IT IS YOU ALSO!!

2005-11-29 Thread Terry Clifton
Lance Muir wrote: Believers use and abuse power like everyone else. Anyone here ever do 'business' with a 'Christian'? Anyone ever take note of 'Christians' who hold public office? Anyone ever take note of deacons, elders, teachers, pastors, evangelists etc. We all err.SOMETIMES

Re: [Bulk] [TruthTalk] Happy Kwanza?

2005-11-28 Thread Terry Clifton
{:-) Lance Muir wrote: A welcome back to the good old TT!! What with Judy SNL'ing' Calvin and Iz speaking from the 'golden EIB microphone'; ain't it good to have things back on a more pleasant footing?

Re: [TruthTalk] Terry, let me put it in perspective for you.

2005-11-27 Thread Terry Clifton
zzy, and myself, but to ALL OF TT, and stand by my comment that Dave's response to my request for an apology was arrogant and insensitive. Terry, do you get my point? I get what you are saying. I just do not agree with you. You are entitled to your opinion. I am entitled to mine. I doubt th

Re: [TruthTalk] Dave's Disrespect.

2005-11-27 Thread Terry Clifton
Charles Perry Locke wrote: Wake up folks...when Dave said, Do you suppose CPL will know anything about them, Dean, the implication was that Izzy and I were intimate. How else would I know about her sexual experiences. Get off your self-righteous horse, Dave, and own your bad behavior. Perry

Re: [TruthTalk] Lance Mur says: I have a sense of DaveH that he ain'tgotit in '

2005-11-27 Thread Terry Clifton
Dean Moore wrote: See my reply to Perry concerning Sunday school. Terry cd: I see Terry -So DavH did no wrong but I am too quick to take offence even when a lady has just been asked to tell of her sexual experiences and the Charles has

Re: [TruthTalk] Terry, let me put it in perspective for you.

2005-11-27 Thread Terry Clifton
Consider this! You constantly stirrinf the pot and pretending to know how I think may be the biggest problem of all. I suggest you put your brain in gear before opening your mouth. Terry cd: It is not your point that is the problem-the problem is that Terry don't

Re: [TruthTalk] Dave's Disrespect.

2005-11-27 Thread Terry Clifton
Touche! Charles Perry Locke wrote: The more you stir crap, the more it stinks. - Terry Clifton, November 27th, 2005 From: Terry Clifton [EMAIL PROTECTED] Charles Perry Locke wrote: Wake up folks...when Dave said, Do you suppose CPL will know anything about them, Dean, the implication

Re: [TruthTalk] Terry, let me put it in perspective for you.

2005-11-27 Thread Terry Clifton
to be spoken to in such a manner as they may do the same to her-seems that no decent women should be around people like you or John.That means I wouldn't take my wife around you either-in my book wrong manners isn't good manners. - Original Message - From: Terry Clifton

Re: [TruthTalk] Terry, let me put it in perspective for you.

2005-11-27 Thread Terry Clifton
Dean Moore wrote: - Original Message - From: Terry Clifton To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: 11/27/2005 1:21:13 PM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Terry, let me put it in perspective for you. I have been in the south

Re: [TruthTalk] Lance Mur says: I have a sense of DaveH that he ain'tgot it in 'em

2005-11-26 Thread Terry Clifton
I would like to apologize to everyone for not being offended. I feel so guilty. Terry cd: Little wonder as it was not you wife who was asked these questions-What if someone did-How then would you feel then-Also the sinful undertones of such a question angers the Holy

Re: [TruthTalk] Lance Mur says: I have a sense of DaveH that he ain'tgot it in '

2005-11-26 Thread Terry Clifton
sexual experiences, and suggesting that I know something about them, even humorously, especially before your Christian peers? Hmmm. From: Terry Clifton [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Lance Mur says: I have a sense

Re: [TruthTalk] corrector/revisor

2005-11-25 Thread Terry Clifton
Neither myth or absurd, but the normal reaction of one who lives to please Christ. Many people hear the word. Fewer believe it. Fewer still live it. Very few are marinated in it until it is a part of who they are. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: myth (absurd) On Thu, 24 Nov 2005

Re: [TruthTalk] corrector/revisor

2005-11-25 Thread Terry Clifton
Dean Moore wrote: cd: Judy I think we are being called ignorant by Miller,Bill.and others will add their remarks to show their superiority. Yet for a week now they could no come to any conclusion on the meaning of one word in the Bible-Yet us ignorant people gave the meaning of the

Re: [TruthTalk] Lance Mur says: I have a sense of DaveH that he ain't got it in 'em

2005-11-25 Thread Terry Clifton
I would like to apologize to everyone for not being offended. I feel so guilty. Terry === Charles Perry Locke wrote: Lance, the principle I was taught is that when you offend someone you apologize...even if you didn't mean to, even

Re: [TruthTalk] Another darn Questionere!

2005-11-24 Thread Terry Clifton
Lance Muir wrote: How can one person be so consistantly wrong? Do you make these idiotic statements just to get attention? No one misses Debbie or Jonathan. No one understands G. John doesn't quite know what he believes and Bill has no ability to communicate with anyone who does not

Re: [TruthTalk] Another darn Questionere!

2005-11-24 Thread Terry Clifton
How tacky! ShieldsFamily wrote: You know I'll tell! :-) From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Dave Sent: Thursday, November 24, 2005 1:17 AM To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Another darn Questionere! DAVEH: Do

Re: [TruthTalk] corrector/revisor

2005-11-23 Thread Terry Clifton
We are positionally perfected by the shed blood of the sacrifice made for our sins, John. The Father sees us as perfect as He sees the Son. We, however, are still playing catch up, trying to live up to our position. Obviously, everyone on this list is still a few steps behind and working to

Re: [TruthTalk] corrector/revisor

2005-11-23 Thread Terry Clifton
ShieldsFamily wrote: We are perfected through the Blood of Jesus, which washes away our sins and delivers us from the power of sinning anymore. We can also choose to remain in the state of perfection forever by faith, or we can choose to walk like the world again. This is

Re: [TruthTalk] Perry Dave: inquiring minds want to know

2005-11-22 Thread Terry Clifton
Those rare treats are much like water...all wet! Terry Lance Muir wrote: CD:You sound an aweful lot like the 'Church lady' (SNL).You are always invoking the name of Satan and, demonstrating a remarkably low level of discernment? Sadly, I acknowledge remaining with TT, at

Re: [TruthTalk] Emailing: NIV.htm

2005-11-22 Thread Terry Clifton
Lance Muir wrote: Evaluating the New International Version Nice try but, no cigar Christine. It is just possible that semantic dysfunctionality runs in the household. (It is an ongoing problem with your Dad. He's always had the same problem as Judy. i.e. distinguishing between

Re: [TruthTalk] Another darn Questionere!

2005-11-20 Thread Terry Clifton
If any other TTer would like to answer these questions-I would be delighted. 1 After the fall can man chose to come to God on his own? The decision to surrender to the Lordship of Christ has to be

Re: [TruthTalk] Flat Tax?

2005-11-19 Thread Terry Clifton
Dave wrote: What do you think about the concept of a flat income tax DAVEH: Sounds like a Christian concept to me.and, a good one at that! :-) == Personally, I prefer the barter system. No tax involved. Terry

Re: [TruthTalk] Flat Tax?

2005-11-19 Thread Terry Clifton
Depends. Quilts are worth more on cold days than on hot days. ShieldsFamily wrote: How many wabbits can I get for a quilt, Terry? J From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Terry Clifton Sent: Saturday, November 19, 2005 7

Re: [TruthTalk] A question for our resident scholar

2005-11-19 Thread Terry Clifton
You asked a serious question. Izzy gave you a serious answer. I am one of those "some believers" that she mentioned. Terry [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Nothing to ponderand I mean "nothing to ponder." Another one liner by Shields that avoids any serious discussionand allows her to

Re: [TruthTalk] Flat Tax?

2005-11-19 Thread Terry Clifton
Sounds like fun, Dave, but we do not have a collection plate. Terry Dave wrote: DAVEH: Have you no sense of humor, Terry? Slip a wabbit in the collection plate now and then. If nothing else, neither the congregation nor the preacher will ever forget you! :-D Terry Clifton wrote

Re: [TruthTalk] Moses sees god's face and lives in the PoGP!

2005-11-17 Thread Terry Clifton
Lance Muir wrote: As we approach that season wherein we celebrate the coming of Immanuel, Judy raises an important point. Who was that child born to Mary? Do you mean Judith?

[TruthTalk] [Fwd: [Infinite Supply] Wednesday, November 16, 2005]

2005-11-15 Thread Terry Clifton
Seemed to me that we all need to read this. Terry Original Message Subject: [Infinite Supply] Wednesday, November 16, 2005 Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2005 05:20:27 UT From: Watchman.Net[EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: [TruthTalk] Why I'm absent for awhile...

2005-11-14 Thread Terry Clifton
We will be praying for you, David. Make a difference. Terry and Vee David Miller wrote: I want to let you all know why I have been not posting lately and why I am not likely to be posting too much on generic issues for awhile. Two reasons: 1. The Lord has put it upon my heart to set my

[TruthTalk] [Fwd: The big argument]

2005-11-14 Thread Terry Clifton
This was sent to me and I had to pass it along: Jesus and Satan were having an on-going argument about who was better on the computer. They had been going at it for days, and frankly God was tired of hearing all the bickering. Finally fed up, God said, "THAT'S IT! I have had enough. I

Re: [TruthTalk] Christ and the Law

2005-11-12 Thread Terry Clifton
Good mornin', Dave. You might want to consider that the Jews were given a whole sack full of commands, and not one Jew with the exception of Jesus was ever able to keep them. We Gentile Christians were given two commands. We aren't always able to keep even those two. Who has ever loved their

Re: [TruthTalk] Christ and the Law

2005-11-11 Thread Terry Clifton
Jesus does not talk just to make noise, John. Those who love Him hang on every word He says. The sermon on the mount is most valuable to me. I believe that those who divorce and remarry for reasons other than sexual sin are living in adultery. I believe you will be blessed when you hunger and

Re: [TruthTalk] Intent of the Law

2005-11-11 Thread Terry Clifton
makes sense to me Pete. Well stated. Terry Peter Krostag wrote: cd: While I am hoping that I am not one of those people afraid to think outside the box. How can one be spiritual while breaking the law sent to help us be spiritual. Pete responds: It says the Law is Spiritual, not that

Re: [TruthTalk] amazing

2005-11-10 Thread Terry Clifton
I tried it six times. It never did work for me. Terry = Charles Perry Locke wrote: I know how this works if anyone is interested Perry From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org

[TruthTalk] [Fwd: Sculpture sets contemporary auction record of 23.8 million dollars - Yahoo! New]

2005-11-10 Thread Terry Clifton
What you buy when you have too much money... http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20051110/lf_afp/afplifestyleusart_051110150445 Sculpture sets contemporary auction record of 23.8 million dollars - Yahoo!News.url Description: Binary data

Re: [TruthTalk] More RCC baloney

2005-11-10 Thread Terry Clifton
If you can't believe an RCC priest, who can you believe? .ShieldsFamily wrote: Evolution in the bible, says Vatican From: By Martin Penner November 07, 2005 THE Vatican has issued a stout defence of Charles Darwin, voicing strong criticism of Christian fundamentalists who reject his

Re: [TruthTalk] Perry Dave: inquiring minds want to know

2005-11-08 Thread Terry Clifton
Maine is now Southern??? Dave Hansen wrote: DAVEH: You tell me, Kevin. You claim to know the roots. I can only quote that which I've learned.that the First Southern Baptist Church. was founded in 1682 and originally organized in Kittery, Maine by the Rev.

[Fwd: Re: [TruthTalk] silence]

2005-11-08 Thread Terry Clifton
In case you were wondering... Original Message Subject: Re: silence Date: Tue, 8 Nov 2005 08:01:32 GMT From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi

Re: [TruthTalk] Dave thinks if you are not a catholic or mormon you are a protestant.

2005-11-08 Thread Terry Clifton
Charles Perry Locke wrote: Dave, You and I see this very much the same way. I am a follower of Christ, a Christian. Anything beyond that is of minor importance. Terry If you are interested only in what protestants think, then perhaps you are on the wrong forum. WILL EVERYONE ON THE

Re: [TruthTalk] What counsel would you offer?

2005-11-07 Thread Terry Clifton
David, I don't understand what you are trying to say. To me, Matthew 5: 32 requires no interpretation. The fact is clear. Remarriage after a divorce for any reason other than adultery is sin. What's to interpret? God does not see the second marriage as a marriage. He sees one who is

Re: [TruthTalk] What counsel would you offer?

2005-11-07 Thread Terry Clifton
have no idea what the Church of Christ might believe. I have no problem with a Jewish Christian wedding a Gentile Christian. I have studied Paul's teaching, but do not pretend to understand what it means. I am not about to speculate what the Jews of Ezra's day intended to do once they were

Re: [TruthTalk] What counsel would you offer?

2005-11-07 Thread Terry Clifton
Sorry David, but I do not know squat about torah. Most of what I know, I know from studying the Bible. A little of what I think I know comes from the studies others have done. It is my understanding that up until just a few years prior to Jesus beginning His ministry, that an adulterous

Re: [TruthTalk] What counsel would you offer?

2005-11-07 Thread Terry Clifton
Thanks for defining Torah for me. I was thinking Talmud. I see no logical problem in my thinking. She is committing adultery every time because even though her husband has grounds for divorce for adultery, he has not divorced her. She tried to divorce him on a ground that is not recognized by

Re: [TruthTalk] What counsel would you offer?

2005-11-07 Thread Terry Clifton
This woman has already, in her own opinion, divorced. Since she is the guilty party, she gets no consideration. Her real husband is now free to divorce her, but the legal system being what it is, it would be hard to explain why you want a divorce when the state says you are alrready divorced.

Re: [TruthTalk] What counsel would you offer?

2005-11-06 Thread Terry Clifton
that they have repented and are forgiven. What is your advice to them? izzy -Original Message- From: Terry Clifton [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: Sat, 05 Nov 2005 13:08:55 -0600 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] What counsel would you offer

Re: [TruthTalk] What counsel would you offer?

2005-11-06 Thread Terry Clifton
relations prior to their current marriage? And, as DM said, Torah forbids reuniting with an unclean spouse. Its a difficult situation. iz From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Terry Clifton Sent: Sunday, November 06, 2005 9:23 AM To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.or

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2005-11-06 Thread Terry Clifton
relations prior to their current marriage? And, as DM said, Torah forbids reuniting with an unclean spouse. Its a difficult situation. iz From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Terry Clifton Sent: Sunday, November 06, 2005 9:23 AM To: TruthTalk@ma

Re: [TruthTalk] What counsel would you offer?

2005-11-06 Thread Terry Clifton
Circumcision may be nothing Christine.You can only do it once. Adultery on the other hand , can be, and in this case is, continual sin. Those who live in continual sin when they know that it is wrong are not following Christ; they are living in rebellion to His command. There is no

Re: [TruthTalk] What counsel would you offer?

2005-11-06 Thread Terry Clifton
in this instance. He may be simply saying that jews should not become non-jews and non-jews sould not become jews when thy come to Christ. vv. 20 24 seem to support this interpretation. Perry From: Terry Clifton [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org To: TruthTalk

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2005-11-06 Thread Terry Clifton
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Re: [TruthTalk] Torah Jewish traditions

2005-11-05 Thread Terry Clifton
Dean Moore wrote: The Wesleyan church I was preaching at had sodomites in the congregation that had been there for years and had become a part of the church-helping with the young and such. When I preached against sodomy and the God loves everybody( I also preached on

Re: [TruthTalk] What counsel would you offer?

2005-11-05 Thread Terry Clifton
ere called and hope I am not going beyond Paul's teachings.If you are called married stay married. The sin was in breaking the first covenant with the husband-once abandoned they are free to marry only in the Lord.Confess that sin and go on with life. [Original Message] F

Re: [TruthTalk] What counsel would you offer?

2005-11-05 Thread Terry Clifton
that this bias does not get in the way. Dean's solution -- in the end - is the same as mine. But his is a legal solution andmine is grace based. Jd -Original Message- From: Terry Clifton [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: Sat, 05 Nov 2005 13:08:55 -0600 Subject

Re: [TruthTalk] What counsel would you offer?

2005-11-05 Thread Terry Clifton
Good points, David. Some things I had not considered. Still, even without this example, Jesus indicates in Matthew 5:32 that the Verages are living in adultery. The solution obviously is not for her to return to her real husband, but the solution, just as obviosly, to me, cannot be to

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2005-11-05 Thread Terry Clifton
This little daily blurb kinda goes along with the What would you do thread. Terry I N F I N I T E S U P P L Y Sunday, November 06, 2005 by Chip Brogden http://www.watchman.net/articles/hate.html :: If any man come to Me, and hate not

Re: [TruthTalk] Torah Jewish traditions

2005-11-04 Thread Terry Clifton
instead of throwing rocks at them. Terry Dean Moore wrote: - Original Message - From: Terry Clifton To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: 11/3/2005 7:47:56 PM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Torah Jewish traditions Leviticus 27:34 The law

[TruthTalk] What counsel would you offer?

2005-11-04 Thread Terry Clifton
I have run into the following situation at least twice. Some of you probably have too. Here it is. Sally was cheer leader in high school. If you were to choose a mate strictly on physical appearance, she would be right up there among the top five. Billy was the typical small town

Re: [TruthTalk] Torah Jewish traditions

2005-11-03 Thread Terry Clifton
It seems to me, David, that Paul observed some of the Jewish traditions because he wanted to be all things to all people in order to win the lost. Not because the law any longer required this. I am a Gentile, adopted into the family, and was never under the law. I have the freedom to

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