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A cowgirl, who is visiting Texas from Arkansas, walks into a bar and
orders three mugs of Bud. She sits in the back of the room, drinking a
sip out of each one in turn. When she finishes them, she comes back to
the bar and orders three more.
The bartender approaches and tells the
I think I probably am.
Terry
ShieldsFamily wrote:
I guess
weve come to an impasse.
Arent you closer to St. Augustine than Kevin and I are, Terry? J izzy
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His desire, David, was to do the will of the Father. Self was never a
consideration for Jesus. If He had other desires, I am not aware
of them. He was wholly dedicated to doing the Father's will and I see
no indication that He ever wanted to do anything other than the
Father's will. Even when
] The Humanity of Jesus
I guess
weve come to an impasse. Arent you closer to St. Augustine than
Kevin and I are, Terry? J izzy
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Sent: Thursday,
August 11, 2005 7:55 AM
If you don't mean to keep pressing the issue, why do you? If it makes
it less confusing for you, drop the denied self portion and concentrate
on totally committed to doing the will of the Father. If the
underlined is true, and it is, then there is no self will involved.
Any thought for self is
]] On
Behalf Of Terry Clifton
Sent: Thursday, August
11, 2005
9:48 AM
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Subject: Re:
[TruthTalk] The
Humanity of Jesus
If you don't mean to keep
pressing the issue, why do
you? If it makes it less confusing for you, drop the denied self
portion
and concentrate
Why would you think it possible for God to sin since it would be
totally against His nature? Are you suggesting that Jesus was less
than God?
ShieldsFamily wrote:
The crux of
the debate is whether or not
Jesus could have chosen to sin because he was in all ways tempted as
ShieldsFamily wrote:
Are you
suggesting that He was not really
human?
I am stating
with absolute certainty that He was no mere mortal. He was God, who
loved me enough to take on the likeness of a man, complete with self
imposed limitations.
Terry
Judy Taylor wrote:
Izzy, do you also believe that Jesus was
born with a body of sinful flesh?
If this is so then can you or anyone
explain to me why there had to be a virgin birth? judyt
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writes:
David Miller wrote:
Terry wrote:
James 1:13-14
Let no man say when he is tempted, "I am tempted
by God", for God cannot be tempted by evil nor
does He Himself tempt anyone. But each one is
tempted when drawn away by his own desires
and enticed.
The desire of God, the Son, was to
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in advance.
Terry
ShieldsFamily wrote:
Read it
again, Terry: He Himself was tempted
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To
cause to be strongly disposed: He
was tempted to walk out.
v. intr.
To be
attractive or
inviting: a meal that tempts.
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I believe that He denied Himself from start to finish. I do not see
revulsion at the thought of becoming so unclean as to be forsaken by
the Father as a sin. Think about it. His job was to become what His
Father hated. He asked if there was some other way. That is not
disobedience. His heart
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David Miller wrote:
Judy wrote concerning the word "likeness":
That word is used in other places besides Romans 8:3
and it always means the same thing ie "likeness"
It never means "exactly the same as"
There are not that many passages that use the word, so it is
David Miller wrote:
Terry wrote:
Every time the devil tempted Him, He
dismissed the attempt with a few words.
The only time He broke a sweat was when
it was time to pay for my sins, and yours.
This is hardly the average guy on the street
or even the most dedicated Christian. This
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To be saved means you trust Christ and have Him as your Savior.AND
YOUR LORD He's our lifeboat. He's our lifeline. He's our
only hope. We are lost without H
im, but if we have Him, we have life.
Let's forget about religion. Let's forget about all this
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Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2005 8:15 PM
Subject: [TruthTalk] opinions invited
Now that we have all taken a breather, how 'bout we all come together
in an effort to educate the ignorant rednecks in this group, namely
Now that we have all taken a breather, how 'bout we all come together in
an effort to educate the ignorant rednecks in this group, namely, me.
I would like some facts, or lacking facts, some opinions, as to what
constitutes profanity. How is it measured? Is profanity the same as
cursing?
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Perspective , perspective, perspective. If I am headed in the
same direction as others, the left , or much of it, is on the right.
JD
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In the original text, the goats are on
In that case never mind
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Yes -- but I wasn't refering to the original text. I was
referring to the original bit of judgmentalism.
Jd
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This is a Christian in name only. In reality, he is as lost as a billy
goat.
Terry
Kevin Deegan wrote:
Religion in America: A Christian thorn
speaks out
Read the rest here: http://www.usnews.com/usnews/culture/articles/050719/19religion.htm
Q. You don't believe in virgin birth. You
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Actually, David, I think I will
go with my analogy if it is alright with you. It makes my point
andsays exactly what I want it to say. Again, either you are saved
by works or you are not.
Jd
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To:
Terry
Kevin Deegan wrote:
I would read it if it was understandable. We need a Translator, I
think we have one on TT.
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Maybe if you were on the right medication you could understand. You
need to be able to see what normal people
Kevin Deegan wrote:
That seems a logical place for God to
live
So he lives next door to the god of the Jehovahs Witnesses?
God resides on the star Alcyone in the constellation
Pleiades. Reconciliation
page 14 Studies Vol. 3, pg. 327
Kevin Deegan wrote:
[Hiram Page] obtained a stone
through which he received some spurious revelations. ... So Hiram Page
decided to settle the question as to where Zion was to be built through
his magical stoneOliver Cowdery and the Whitmer family
were deceived by the false
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
It has nothing to do with "liberal." There are millions of
political liberals that are at least as spiritually orientedas you.
JD
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Footnotes in the New King James and NASV show born "from above"
to be a viable translation and my Brown/Comfort Greek interlinear
English translation actually uses "born from above" rather than "born
again."
JD
Judy Taylor wrote:
One or two more things to consider in this
ongoing thread about "spiritual death" - Since
some believe this term to be unscriptural and/or metaphoric in nature -
should we first run it by some theologians to make sure we have it
right? The answer is NO! It is
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Blainer: You can prove anything you want with statistics.
During the year 2004, 3 new Mormon temples were dedicated, 2
re-dedicated, 0 were taken down, 119 in operation at
end of year, with ten more in various stages of planning or
building. Converts
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Specifically (if you know), what is the point here? Who denies
that we are blessed in following theadvice of the Lord? Where, pray
tell, is it said that we are not saved until and unless we accomplish
this task? Where are those words? (Hint - they are not
, in and of themselves!!!
6. It pronounces that
what God could not do for man, man must do for himself !!
7. It denies the need for the exchange of faith for righteousness (Rom 4).
JD
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To: TruthTalk
Kevin Deegan wrote:
So as you can see Joe was a MEDIUM a Spirit Channeler
The LDS Hymn should be changed to "We thank thee O God for a
Warlock"
Even the Book of Commandments syas Joe had power with the ROD,
he was a diviner.
"The gift of working with the rod"
(Book of Commandments
understand.
Terry
Dave wrote:
DAVEH: So what do you think the purpose was of Jesus choosing and
ordaining the apostles, Terry? Do you believe Jesus gave them any
authority?
Terry Clifton wrote:
You might want to consider His words recorded in Matthew 20:26-28, Dave.
David Miller wrote:
Note that even after being born again and receiving the Spirit of Christ, we
have all these things abiding in our flesh. Why aren't they alive? Why
aren't we walking in adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness,
idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, strife, seditions,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
In my posted comment below, I say "God and man." He is the
Son of God and, thus, God Himself (John 5:18). He is the Son of Man,
thus, man(kind) himself. As Son of God, He is the fullness of the very nature of God,
the visible presentation of the invisibleGod.
John, do you see a big difference in the terms "Born again" and "New
creature in Christ"? My own thinking is that it would be hard to be a
NEW creature without being born again.
Terry
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
My argument was quite biblical. When you want to honestly
discuss the
-- " but I see nothing there that
conflicts with what I said.Do you?
JD
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From: Terry Clifton wabbits1234@earthlink.net
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: Fri, 22 Jul 2005 20:02:42
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Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] John 16:13,14
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I am very aware that the old man still lurks in the darkness, more than
ready to take over if allowed to do so. "There is nothing good in me"
is a statement that applies to anyone without the mind of Christ.
I stopped drinking twenty years ago because one was too many and a
case was not
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I believe that Philip 2:12-13 presents us with the teaching that
God is the reason forour will to do the right thing and our ability
to accomplish such -- that this applies to all of
mankind since the Reconciliation (Col
1:17-24). When I read
Be ever alert, it may happen
French Terrorism Alert
The AP and UPI report that the French Government announced yesterday that it
has raised its terror alert level from Run to Hide.
The only two higher levels in France are Surrender and Collaborate.
The raise was precipitated by a
You might want to consider His words recorded in Matthew 20:26-28, Dave.
"You know that the rulers of the Gentiles lord it over them, and those
that are great exercise authority over them. Yet it shall not be so
among you; but whoever desires to become great among you, let him be
your
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
'you
shall die', anyway--beer drinking is irrelevant, not a life or death
issue except to the God-manipulators
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Beer drinking is only irrelevant as long as you remain sober. When you
drink
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
What I see in the writings below
is a man who knows full well that he cannot insist on
Spirit revealed truth "on every
occasion" and, yet, insistsupon the infallible belief of infallible
understanding -- I guess because he really believes that his
thinking
Napoleon Bonaparte may not have been a great theologian, but I like the
way he stated it.
"I know men, and Jesus Christ was no mere man."
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Judy Taylor wrote:
On Fri, 22 Jul 2005 07:44:39 -0400 "Lance
ShieldsFamily wrote:
JD and Lance
are really enjoying heckling,
arent they? Is that a fruit of the Spiritheckling? izzy
No. That is the spirit of the
fruitcake.
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Judy, why does not Heb
2:17 define "likeness" in your mind? He became like us in all
respects is the message of 2:17.
Jd
Lance Muir wrote:
At last we've been presented with
the opportunity to demonstrate this 'He will lead you into all truth'
thingy is misunderstood by those who have most often cited it (Judy,
David).
Both are faithful servants of the
Lord, both have 'studied to show themselves
dose of hypocrites in action for the evening news.
.ShieldsFamily wrote:
Terry, are you endorsing this? iz
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Sent: Thursday, July 21, 2005 7:14 PM
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Subject
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
myth
[biblical truth ex-statically defiesany/everythought process
everconcluded; asJC says, 'the [only]doctrine' behind
doinghis will, below,isdoing his will--indeed(!) that'Christ crucified:.. [is
the] foolishness [of his followers, too]..' (1Cor1) is the
Lance Muir wrote:
Please remember that Jesus already
'gave you a break', Linda. You're not needing a 'break' from me.
Let me say something to everyone on
TT who employs the letters RCC as an epithet; THIS WAS THE BIRTH OF
CHRIST'S CHURCH!! If y'all got a problem with that
Lance Muir wrote:
Forget what I 'say'. Just stand back
and watch. I'd say that what this amounts to is a sideshow for our
Mormon friends. They are being told by Perry, Kevin, you, David and
Linda that that which and, in Whom, they believe is not Biblical. You
folks are
Lance Muir wrote:
What I OBSERVE David, is a whole lotta fuzzifyin' and scramblin'
goin' on to accommodate Judy. Over time I also OBSERVE David, that you
possess more latitude than I initially thought. Perhaps, you're
prepared to call Blaine a 'brother in the Lord' now.
David and every
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Why do we not find people in the NT scriptures "inviting the
Lord into their lives?"
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Check out the Etheopean eunuch. See if he doesn't fit that picture.
Rather childish in my opinion.
Terry
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
The perfect ending to "yes I do" - "No I don't." And because
Lance said it first -- HE WINS. Finally.
JD
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From: Lance Muir [EMAIL PROTECTED]com
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: Fri, 22
A Christian apostle told us Judas was a thief long before there were
any Mormons. Gospel according to John. Don't pay too much attention
to Mormons or sociologists. Neither of them have a good grasp of
reality.
Terry
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Blainer: Aagg!! That makes me
Lance Muir wrote:
It'd appear Judy, that you and I are
truly morning people. At what time do you normally begin thanking God
for another day?
As to the point at hand; NO! NOBODY
ON TT bases their beliefs solely and exclusively on God's Word alone.
IFF you (anyone on TT) are
own words what I said then, let's go on from there.
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From:
Terry Clifton
To:
TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent:
July 21, 2005 08:31
Subject:
Re: [TruthTalk] Re:John 16:13,14
Lance Muir wrote:
It'd app
Lance Muir wrote:
IFF the wording is clear Terry then
you are WRONG. Church, Bible Studies, books, conversations, even
TT..all have had some measure of influence on what you believe. Agreed?
No Lance, no, no, no.
Tell me, David. If Jesus was born with the same nature as us, why
would He have had to be born of a virgin and sired by God? A hooker
and a junkie could have given us another man with a sin nature. What
am I missing in your thinking?
Terry
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Terry Clifton wrote:
Don't
pay too much attention to Mormons or sociologists. Neither of them
have a good grasp of reality.
Terry
Blainerb
Are we playing to the crowd here, or are we telling it like
it is, with facts
Dave Hansen wrote:
True religion is the life we lead, not the creed we profess. -Louis
Nizer,
lawyer (1902-1994)
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Ah; the old I would rather see a sermon than hear one thing. How
'bout we come up with a new one.
If
Lance Muir wrote:
SO THEN AS TO 'INFLUENCERS' Calvin
continues to be one while Augustine does not? Has it to do with the
duration of 'mouldering' in one's grave?
I was attempting, with a total lack
of success apparently, yesterday to explain how it is that both people
and
Kevin Deegan wrote:
The way to heaven is blocked up by Dead Professors!
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I lOVE IT!
Well done, Judy. Some will not be able to see it, but I applaud your
insight.
Terry
Judy Taylor wrote:
On Wed, 20 Jul 2005 08:15:23 -0600 "Bill Taylor" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Bill: There are numerous reasons
why I reject this doctrine,Izzy, the foremost of which
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I believe that I am the one asking thequestion, here. Bill
knows full well that I am interested ina biblicalconstruct in
regard to this discussion.More importantly, I asked the question of
Bill because I KNOW that his answer will be biblical
in content --
The potter has every right to use the clay as He chooses, Blaine.
Fortunately for us, the potter also is not only a loving potter, but an
omnicient one. In this case, the potter used a vessel for dishonor
that He knew far ahead of time was disposed to act in a dishonorable
manner. Put another
Lance Muir wrote:
Please, please, please take note
David Miller and Judy Taylor! You don't have to have read someone to
have been influenced by them. You don't even have to have known of
their existence. I trust that at least David would agree on this
point.The same principle
ShieldsFamily wrote:
I understand
your viewpoint. However I
dont know how else I would describe the losteven Jesus said Let
the dead (obviously not physically, but spiritually) bury the dead.
izzy
Excellent! Which author inspired
you to write that?
Lance Muir wrote:
To all and sundry vis a vis my
little thesis:
What part have either/both played in
the USA in the 20th century.
Lance
==
Either played a small part. Both played a larger part. I cannot be
Lance Muir wrote:
When I read responses from Judy,
Linda (sometimes David) to Bill, I can't help but SOL (that's my
version of LOL-Smile out loud) He is without doubt the most lucid of
TT's contributors. Further, he apprehends Scripture and, Scripture's
theological framework as
Charles Perry Locke wrote:
Izzy, how do you know who is a believer to decide if you should take
him at his word? Some on this group say they are believers but you do
not believe that they are. If they are believers, regardless of
whether you think they are believers or not, aren't you
ShieldsFamily wrote:
I don't know of any reason to believe that Terry is not a follower of
Christ. Some folks claim to follow Christ but their fruit shows otherwise,
in which case Jesus said to judge by the fruit, not by the talk. Some folks
on TT state they don't know what it means to be
David Miller wrote:
Does this story remind you of a Biblical story? :-)
Jesus uses sheep as a metaphor for believers, but are we really are suppose
to be this dumb? What do you all think?
Peace be with you.
David Miller.
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Lance Muir wrote:
He told me that upon using his name
in my little analogy that 'stuff' would happen. Oh said I, surely
you're being paranoid! Well, as it turns out, surely not.
Once David has given Bill a somewhat
more comprehensive response than 'yes!' I shall implore all
David Miller wrote:
Terry wrote:
I make a simple statement that there is not enough
information to tell who would be the the most accurate
interpreter of scriptures or the most mature believer
between Bill, who I have never met, and a Russian,
who I have never heard of. That is
David Miller wrote:
Terry wrote:
Twenty-four years ago it was a roller coaster
ride, Jesus and me. Whee! yahoo!
LOL. Yeah, I hear ya. :-)
Terry wrote:
Did I know enough then? You bet.
Was one better than the other?
I honestly do not know.
Lance Muir wrote:
Were we to give Vladmir a Bible and
two months of instruction on reading/interpreting it then, pick two or
three extended passages for discussion (say the Sermon on the Mount,
Philippians 2 Galatians 5), whose observations would more likely
approximate 'writerly
Bill Taylor wrote:
Hard to tell based on the limited infomation I have on either
man.
Terry
Isn't it amazing how much less
information it takes to determinethe jerks among us?
We all get your point, Lance -- and
it's a valid one. But please do not toss me out in another
Bill Taylor wrote:
Terry
writes I think the question was probably designed to put you in
the expert's seat and we were expected to verify that with our answer.
Well, you certainly did none
of that. By the way, you are amazingly perceptive for a man who wrote
with no
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
And that, dear sir, was not your point !! You oftenforget
that I know how to read.
JD
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That you do, JD. I can confirm that your reading is much better than
your writing.
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
No figment here. I know when I have been placed in hell and
when I have not. And I know when a brother has been placed outside the
realm of theSpirit and when he has not -- if I can't figure that
out -- we should just stop writing altogether.
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Actually, at this point in my post, I was not
referencing either you or Bill. I was dealing with
something that Judy had written. I do think we have made our several
points and associated insults -- time to move on.
JD
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Style, content or both? Or did you just get up on the wrong
side of the bed this afternoon?
JD
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I was not thinking either style or content, John. I was thinking more
on the
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
No -- somebody forgot to tell you. Because you have no
resepct for "context" in this case is of no matter to me. But context
is very important. Without it, we have the fantasy that accompanies
snake handling and ex-cathedra spiritual pronouncements brought,
Lance Muir wrote:
Each living person draws upon two
quite distinct sources of meaning. The current 'vulgate' or common
understanding. This is that which enables us to communicate with one
another. Hidden beneath this is a 'private thesaurus'. What any two
people mean when they
Lance Muir wrote:
I can't remember the last time I
laughed out loud. This is no exception. However, I did smile.
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That's a start. Not bad for a Monday morning.
Dave wrote:
DAVEH: From the perspective of a saved Christian, why does it matter
whether one sins or not? Do not Christians believe their salvation
will save them from any sins they may commit?
Our actions indicate the
Dave wrote:
DAVEH: Thanx for taking time to respond to this, Terry. I
understand your explanation, though I'm not sure it quite answers my
question. IOWOnce a person becomes a saved Christian, can sin
prevent him from ending up in heaven?
Judy Taylor wrote:
Terry,
I'm glad to see wisdom is still around :)
How's the wind at your place?
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As always, the Lord was good to us. The eye of the storm ( Highest
winds) passed over Pensacola, 120 miles
Charles Perry Locke wrote:
Judy and Terry,
There is a position that says those that let go or slip from
their moorings were never truly saved in the first place. This
position preserves once saved always saved. How do you respond to
this position?
Perry
Read it again, Judy. No one says Christ cannot live without us.
Concentrate on "We are the weak link". If we are not saved, it is our
own fault. Christ did His part. If we are saved, it is because we
have done something in response to what Christ did.
Terry
Judy Taylor wrote:
Can
Well folks, the wind is picking up here and it's gonna get worse before
it gets better. Should be gone by evening tomorrow. If you have a
vague feeling that this forum is suddenly lacking in wisdom, it will
probably be because when trees in this area blow down, they tend to take
power
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