: David Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Lance gets political and says:
From someone who is likely to re-elect a sincere
but pretty stupid fundamentalist Christian to be
the 'world leader
of your time in
the latter. This saddens me and others on this forum.
Jonathan
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] Mediation of
Christ -- the real vs false
In a message dated 6/8/2004 9:25:33 AM Pacific
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Izzy:Sorry, God did not put GWB into office you did.An opinion no more inspired
than Izzy's.John
I believe that this is not of
God..
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Jonathan Hughes
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My, my, lots of
political stews today. My advice: actually listen to what ot
. Izzy
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Follow up: When a sufficient number
(?) of people (countries) dislike you
can heal. In this way even our
countries can heal.
Jonathan
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7:40 AM
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of Christ -- the real vs false
Follow up: When
From: "Jonathan Hughes" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Judy has made many
comments on the link between sin and illness. I believe her viewpoint to
be completely unbiblical and extremely hurtful to those that live with illness
regardless of the severity.
jt: I agree Jonathan
that sickness is hurtful
?
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Judy
Taylor
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Subject: [TruthTalk] Mediation of Christ
-- the real vs false
From: "Jonathan Hughes" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Judy has made many
comments on the link between sin and
From: "Lance Muir" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Judyt:An aside re Deut 28,29. I believe some of
this has been previously addressed but, would you continue to stone a
recalcitrant youth? etc.
Does Jesus' birth,baptism, temptation, life,
death, resurrection, ascension, and ongoing Mediation include the
In a message dated 6/9/2004 2:56:04 AM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
John: Not one of my 'opinions' is inspired. They are just that, opinions. I'd always want for them to be subjected to the severest critique.
Hope you understood what I was pointing to -- that opinion is
Replying (this time) to: JDavid:Point well made
and, it didn't even make me angry.
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In a message
Now, here with this post, I very much agree with Lance. We (the US) are not a "Christian nation." We are a nation with a whole bunch of Christians. The religious tenets that formed the foundation of our nation are, without question, being eroded. And, if the trend does not stop, there will come
In a message dated 6/9/2004 5:58:38 AM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
One of my points to Izzy (I believe it was missed) was that in the past 4 months I have been on TT she has flitted around discussing the more superficial topics leaving the doctrinal debates for others. Then
In a message dated 6/9/2004 11:53:43 AM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
You ended a sentence with a preposition in spite of your edumucation.
I know AND IT FELT GOOD DOING IT 11
jds
In a message dated 6/9/2004 11:41:24 AM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
John: Not one of my 'opinions' is inspired. They are just that, opinions. I'd always want for them to be subjected to the severest critique.
Great. My here is done. Back to the job site.
David, John
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of Christ -- the real vs false
Izzy:Read Jonathan's two excellent
posts again. I fear that this 'religious spirit' has clouded yout judgment, at
least when it comes to the US of A.
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From
Just two eh? Hardly a groundswell.Sort of
like 'The Mouse that Roared' with Peter Sellers.
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So
OR it could just be the next best thing to a good punch in the
nose. Izzy
To act out a feeling of offense
is a manipulative effort at silencing the opposition.
A friend
JDavid
I believe God still forgives venial sins. Iz
You ended a sentence with a preposition in spite of your
edumucation.
-- the real vs false
Just two eh? Hardly a
groundswell.Sort of like 'The Mouse that Roared' with Peter Sellers.
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:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
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Aye thank you Lance,
However I am afraid that the message will
fall on deaf ears or else you will be accused of making
.
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So
why didnt you answer my questionI really want to hear from you that this
rumor was false. Izzy
Sigh of relief.
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Sent: Wednesday, June 09, 2004
2:38 PM
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Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Mediation
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Izzy:Relax. We ain't been sucked
down the vortex
Lance gets political and says:
From someone who is likely to re-elect a sincere
but pretty stupid fundamentalist Christian to be
the 'world leader' for four more years ...
1. Bush is not a fundamentalist.
2. Bush is not stupid.
Please try to substantiate your characterizations or retract
: [TruthTalk] Mediation
of Christ -- the real vs false
Just keep in
mind, Jonathan, how you might feel if you watched an unprovoked assault on your
nation with 3000 innocent Canadians killed by perverts who just hate you for
being Canadians, and then someone said to you with a smirk, Well, maybe now you
of Christ -- the real vs false
Lance gets political and says:
From someone who is likely to re-elect a sincere
but pretty stupid fundamentalist Christian to be
the 'world leader' for four more years ...
1. Bush is not a fundamentalist.
2. Bush is not stupid.
Please try to substantiate your
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One of my points
to be loving; perhaps it is time for
the truth.
Jonathan
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OR it could just be the next best thing to a good punch in the nose. Izzy
Easy does, girl. Peace not war. You have ruffled my feathers (yes, genuine chi chi chicken).
John
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So why didnt you answer my questionI really want to hear from you that this rumor was false. Izzy
Actually I have heard the same thing from a number of pastors who insist that they know it to be true.
c250
you will see a lot of information on it.
Jonathan
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d games or word games, I don't get mad and I don't take
fits. You may not appreciate my part of the body today but hopefully you will
before that day.
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Hi Terry, you write:
For what it's worth guys, you both have valid points. There was no
sickness until there was sin. Put another way, sickness entered the
picture because sin entered the picture. Sickness is plainly one of the
penalties for sin. Having siad that, let me point out that not
You obviously arent from Missouri. Remember Harry Truman? Izzy
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I said this:
tad bit on the arrogant side of the ledger, me thinks. You might not agree with Izzy, being Canadian and all, but her defense of country (her country, not yours) is understandable. Apparently you
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It is not a rumour. It was instituted in Bill C250. This is the section in our criminal code that speaks against hate crimes/propaganda. It amended the law to add that one may not incite hatred towards someone
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My, my, lots of political stews today. My advice: actually listen to what others think of America; it just may be true. It may be false but people flew planes into buildings to get you to realize something.
In a message dated 6/7/2004 5:40:28 PM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
It would be hard to make a convincing argument that we are a Christian nation, but people do not fly planes into buildings because we are sinful or arrogant. They fly planes into buildings because they are
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Lance,
Some Americans (myself included) would consider this to be another arrogant
Canadian insult. Some of us are of the opinion
Izzy:Too much Rush.
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Lance,
your political astuteness is dwarfed only by your humility.
Izzy
Lance Muir wrote to Terry:
My hero is neither. From one 'leading authority' to another allow me to suggest that you check out TFT. He's considered
by some,to be the leading theologian in the
English speaking world for the 20 century.
jt: So? Who are these "some?" They
must not bewell known
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If it offends you to hear that (in my opinion) part of
what Torrance is serving as meat is in reality nothing more than horse
apples, I suggest you learn to poke the delete key
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
In a message dated 6/7/2004 7:42:45 AM Pacific
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I take offense and find it a bit smug of you to make the
comment above. It
is easy to sit in your armchair, far removed from the action, and call
someone stupid. Bush has had
and moralistic way of thinking and speaking. But, if
it 'works' for you then keep at it.
Lance
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Taylor
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Subject: [TruthTalk] Mediation of Christ
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Lance Muir wrote
moral in their way of thinking
and speaking Lance?
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Judy
Taylor
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Sent: June 08, 2004 08:07
Subject: [TruthTalk] Mediation of Christ
-- the real vs false
Lance Muir wrote to Terry:
My hero is neither. From one 'leading authority' to anothe
as other "faithful servants" who operate outside of a
basic Biblical framework and who are loose and immoral in their way of
thinking and speaking Lance?
From:
Judy
Taylor
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Sent: June 08, 2004 08:07
Subject: [TruthT
with your current President.
Lance
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Lance, Some Americans (myself included) would consider this to be
another arrogant
Oh, did Rush say that, too? (Happy thought!) :-) Izzy
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Izzy:Too much Rush
Izzy:Sorry, God did not put GWB into office you
did.
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Lance,
Perhaps Powell or Cheyney would have
Terry:Why not take the advice to you
gave to me? Just delete and, move on to matters that you estimate to be
worthy of placing fingers on a keyboard?
Lance
Surprise, my furriner brother! You have no
Lance Muir wrote:
Izzy:Sorry, God did not put GWB into
office you did.
=
Sorry Lance. That is not what the Bible teaches. Our votes are just a
formality.
Terry
Terry: Sorry, Terry what I said IS what the Bible
teaches (as I see it).
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Lance Muir wrote
In a message dated 6/8/2004 9:25:33 AM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Izzy:Sorry, God did not put GWB into office you did.
An opinion no more inspired than Izzy's.
John
by a human being then, praise God! 'cause
you're an anomally.
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Judy Taylor wrote:
I
.
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Taylor
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: June 06, 2004 17:49
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Hi Terry, you write:
It would appear from reading just a fraction of what Torrance
From: "Lance Muir" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Hi Terry/Judy:TF a false teacher? This then would
indicate that you two have read or listened tohim with sufficient care and
thoughtfulness to have distinguished the true from the false (according to your
own perception of the truth).
jt: Lance it
From: "Lance Muir" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Judyt:Do you honestly believe, even for a
nanosecond, that any one who reads him thinks like that?I recognize that 'cheap shots' are made by all on TT
from time to time but, often they have some basis in fact.If you've never received an 'assist' in your
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Hi Terry/Judy:TF a false teacher? This then would
indicate that you two have read or listened tohim with suffi
: [TruthTalk] Mediation of Christ
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From: "Lance Muir" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Judyt:Do you honestly believe, even for a
nanosecond, that any one who reads him thinks like that?I recognize that 'cheap shots' are made by all on TT
from time to time but, often
You said all that to say what Lance? That the wisdom of
scripture/Bible is unreliable or that people (genuine believing Christians IYO)
are hopelessly sinful and ignorant?I would point out that the Church
was into apostasy by the 2nd century and that most of what you mention below
took
don't know that this is so then, I need to give you a 'pass' on such such
matters..
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Taylor
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Sent: June 07, 2004 08:42
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You said all that to say what
Lance Muir wrote:
Hi Terry/Judy:TF a false teacher?
This then would indicate that you two have read or listened tohim with
sufficient care and thoughtfulness to have distinguished the true from
the false (according to your own perception of the truth). If
circumstances could be
delete.
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Terry Clifton
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Lance Muir wrote:
Hi Terry/Judy:TF a false teacher? This then
would indicate
From: Terry Clifton [EMAIL PROTECTED]
I am not real certain Judy. I would like to think that the false teacher would have to be deliberately teaching false
doctrine to in some way benefit himself instead of the Lord, but that can
not cover all the bases. There are some teaching obvious lies
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Subject: [TruthTalk] Mediation of Christ
-- the real vs false
From: Terry Clifton [EMAIL PROTECTED]
I am not real certain Judy. I would like to think that the false teacher would have to be deliberately teaching false
doctrine to in some way benefit himself instead of the Lord
From: Lance Muir [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Terry: My hero is neither. From one 'leading authority' to another allow me
to suggest that you check out TFT. He's considered to be, by some, (not by
you I know but, then you haven't read him) to be the leading theologian in
the English speaking world for
Lance wrote to Terry:
From someone who is likely to re-electa sincere but pretty stupid
fundamentalist Christian to be the 'world leader' for four more years...
I take offense and find it a bit smug of you to make the comment above. It
is easy to sit in your armchair, far removed from the
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Lance wrote to Terry:
From someone who is likely to re-electa sincere but pretty stupid
fundamentalist Christian to be the 'world leader
Lance Muir wrote:
Terry: My hero is neither. From one
'leading authority' to another allow me to suggest that you check out
TFT. He's considered to be, by some, (not by you I know but, then you
haven't read him) to be the leading theologian in the English speaking
world for the 20
Terry: Pay more attention then. You've missed this
concerning the 'enlightened' one.
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From:
Terry Clifton
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: June 07, 2004 11:46
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Lance Muir wrote
\o/ !HALALU Yah!
\o/
Greetings in the Matchless Name of YahShua !!
It is true that he looks good when compared to Clinton or Kerry ...
Looks can be deceiving.
Ahava b'
YahShua
(Love in The
SAVIOUR)
Baruch
YHVH,
(Bless The
LORD)
Bro.
Chris
a servant of
YHVH
ROFL J Izzy
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Behalf Of Terry Clifton
Good morning Lance. My missive was a question. The question was, Is
your hero a false teacher, or simply ignorant?(Choose one). You
apparently overlooked that question mark. It would
Or PM Martin, God forbid.
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I shudder to think how 9/11 and the days
that followed would have been handled by Al Gore, or, heaven forbid, by John
Kerry!!! Call me what you will...I will take a Bush over a Gore or a Kerry
ANY day.
Perry, not as moderator
alk] Mediation
of Christ -- the real vs false
Lance, Some
Americans (myself included) would consider this to be another arrogant Canadian
insult. Some of us are of the opinion that President Bush, with his academic
credentials included, is a LOT smarter than those who choose to insult him
beca
ssing the
Mediation of Christ.
Jonathan
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Christ -- the real vs false
Lance, Some
Americans (myself included) would consid
Jonathan Hughes wrote:
My, my, lots
of political stews
today. My advice: actually listen to what others think of America; it
just may be true. It may be false but people flew planes into
buildings
to get you to realize something. (By the way I think it was to get the
Western
In a message dated 6/7/2004 7:24:58 AM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
JT: How 'bout a website hosted by y'all. People would write outlining the 'teaching' in question. Then, kind of like Ebert Roeper, (thumbs up/down) you could pronounce on it to the benefit of the world at
In a message dated 6/7/2004 7:42:45 AM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
I take offense and find it a bit smug of you to make the comment above. It
is easy to sit in your armchair, far removed from the action, and call
someone stupid. Bush has had a tough row to hoe, and I think
Why evangelize the lost? becausethe Gospel is
good news. Without the word of truth, the good news of their salvation, people
are basically adrift, sometimes bordering on truth but never finding that
unifying center, the one thing through which the whole aligns and begins to make
sense.
How very BIZARRE. A gospel of noninvolvement. A gospel that permits every form of
evil. Who could possibly believe
this??? (Pleasedont answer!) Izzy
ie Torrance
teaches: From beginning to end what Jesus
Christ has done for you he has done not only as God but as man. He has
Judy Taylor wrote:
I
wouldn't want to be trying to stand in 'the day of the Lord' holding on
to "but Torrance said" wouldyou??
It would appear from reading just a fraction of what Torrance taught,
From: Terry Clifton [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Hi Terry, you write:
It would appear from reading just a fraction of what Torrance taught,
that his teaching is a mixture.Part truth, and part oats that have already
been through the horse. If this is true, does that make him a false
teacher, or just
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