David, Here's another example of why I
mistakenly think you said that women are intellectually inferior to
men. Izzy
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David Miller
Sent: Monday, May 03, 2004 12:54 PM
I also believe like Elsman does
JT:It's your tradition, not God, that limits the
full participation of women. This includes ordination! Lance
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From:
Judy
Taylor
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: May 03, 2004 16:28
Subject: [TruthTalk] Teaching
John writes: Actually, If I said
: [TruthTalk] Teaching
In a message dated 5/3/2004 2:46:12 PM Pacific
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John, I
remember having lunch in an office situation with a bunch of women who were
gossiping terribly about another women (not present) who was so fat, so
immoral, etc
Sent: May 03, 2004 17:45
Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Teaching
John, I remember
having lunch in an office situation with a bunch of women who were gossiping
terribly about another women (not present) who was so fat, so immoral, etc.
etc. I smiled and said, “Well, one thing
Where do you get the idea that its "MY tradition"
Lance. I certainly don't claim it. I call it "dead" orthodoxy
The Church I was raised in has lost it's candlestick
and is ready to close the doors. Sad. I never met the Lord there, never
sat under the ministry of the Holy Spirit. No, I care
What a profound statement Lance,
My daughter who has been undergoing some depression
lately is dealing with this and when I spoke with her on the phone recently she
said "I don't want to be his mother" Apparently it's just dawned on
her. judyt
From: "Lance Muir" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Subject: [TruthTalk] Teaching
Where do you get the idea that its "MY tradition"
Lance. I certainly don't claim it. I call it "dead" orthodoxy
The Church I was raised in has lost it's candlestick
and is ready to close the doors. Sad. I never met the Lord there
Lance wrote:
Whether we opine, quote scripture, explicate scripture,
quote a book, quote each other with following comment/
critique etc. WE ARE ALL TEACHING.
The word teaching has a broad range of meaning, as you seem to
indicate here. That is why we MUST consider context and the type of
Oh my goodness, David, I think you just jumped from the frying pan into the
fire! :-) Spoken like a true man who has never been there, done that. I
am curious; can you back up your assertion with statistics?
I, personally, have never considered myself to be particularly bright (even
though my
In a message dated 5/3/2004 11:54:39 AM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
I would say that in some situations, men should put up their
dukes so to speak and deal with one another in authoritative ways,
having the women stay out of the fray. I also believe like Elsman does
that
John writes: Actually, If I said
that " women have been gifted intellectually in ways that men have
not," it would be saying exactly the same thing.
Right? It appears that David's agreement with Els is in the context
of "the battle." I tutored a young handicapped girl in Fresno
John, I remember having lunch in an office
situation with a bunch of women who were gossiping terribly about another women
(not present) who was so fat, so immoral, etc. etc. I smiled and said, Well,
one thing I can say for her is that Ive never heard her say anything
unkind about anyone
In a message dated 5/3/2004 2:46:12 PM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
John, I remember having lunch in an office situation with a bunch of women who were gossiping terribly about another women (not present) who was so fat, so immoral, etc. etc. I smiled and said, Well, one thing
From: "David Miller" [EMAIL PROTECTED]I also believe
like Elsman doesthat generally speaking, men have been
gifted intellectually in ways that women have not. That is not
popular to say in this culture, but it is hard to refute when looking at the
historical evidence. The only counter to it
In a message dated 5/3/2004 1:42:27 PM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
jt: Wait a minute John,
Why didn't you stay and rebuke them like a man? You know, confrontation. I'm a woman and I don't stay around gossip
but I've known men who are as bad or worse than the women. Also men
Lance Muir writes:
Whether we opine, quote scripture, explicate scripture, quote a book, quote
each other with following comment/critique etc. WE ARE ALL
TEACHING. Thus, should one collect all the posts from all the
participants from TT's inception 'til now we would have THE TEACHING
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Sent: May 02, 2004 09:52
Subject: [TruthTalk] Teaching
Lance Muir writes:
Whether we opine, quote scripture, explicate scripture, quote a book,
quote each other with following comment/critique etc. WE
ARE ALL TEACHING. Thus, should one collect all the posts from all
Judy Taylor wrote:
jt: I would'nt callthisa "teaching list"
-I see it aplace tocommunicate and share with others who are
interested in or a pilgrim on "the Way". Jesus said we should notcall
anyone Rabbi (teacher); He said we have one Lord and the rest of us are
brethren (Matthew
Lance, you are not hearing me. I am free to be me in
the Lord. I've seen the fruit of those withreligious spirits such as
Elsman and Daniel. I saw one "well meaning" but fearful man drive his wife
right out of the home and today this family is fractured and living on both
coasts and in
JT: No Judy, I am hearing you and, I
disagree.It is traditionnot God speaking against the full and
complete participation of women in the home, workplace and church.Blessings,
Lance [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: May 02, 2004 10:50
Subject: [TruthTalk] Teaching
Lance, you are not hearing
ticipation of women in the home, workplace and church.Blessings,
Lance
Sent: May 02, 2004 10:50
Subject: [TruthTalk] Teaching
Lance, you are not hearing me. I am free to be me in
the Lord. I've seen the fruit of those withreligious spirits such
as Elsman and Daniel. I saw one &qu
JT: Yes we can. Lance
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From:
Judy
Taylor
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: May 02, 2004 11:23
Subject: [TruthTalk] Teaching
Ok You may be hearing me Lance but you are not
understanding. I think you are the one with the traditional mindset
Whether we opine, quote scripture, explicate
scripture, quote a book, quote each other with following comment/critique etc.
WE ARE ALL TEACHING. Thus, should one collect all the posts from all the
participants from TT's inception 'til now we would have THE TEACHING OF:Judy,
David, Dave,
] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lance Muir
Sent: Saturday, May 01, 2004 9:11
AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Teaching
Whether we opine, quote scripture, explicate scripture,
quote a book, quote each other with following comment/critique etc. WE ARE ALL
TEACHING. Thus
--- Lance Muir [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Whether we opine, quote scripture, explicate scripture, quote a book, quote each other
with following comment/critique etc. WE ARE ALL TEACHING. Thus, should one collect all
the posts from all the participants from TT's inception 'til now we would have THE
In a message dated 5/1/2004 5:30:04 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Daniel responds:
Exactly my point, Lance. Thank you for being one of the few honest enough on this forum to admit that.
And since judy amd izzy and other assorted females are obviously "teaching" in the I
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