Re: [TruthTalk] Lord of the Sabbath

2003-03-19 Thread Slade Henson
Slade wrote: Can you tell me where in Scripture man is called the Lord of the Sabbath? It seems to me the end of Mark tells us that Messiah is the Lord of the Shabbat. Read it carefully. Sabbath was made for man; therefore, who is Lord of the sabbath? Why is Jesus Lord

RE: [TruthTalk] Lord of the Sabbath

2003-03-16 Thread Terry Clifton
" I don’t observe Passover (putting blood over my doorposts) because Christ’s Blood is over my soul." Izzy Wow Izzy! Iv'e never heard it put that powerfully in so few words. You just said a whole bunch of stuff in one sentence. I have to think about that for a while just to rejoice in

Re: [TruthTalk] Lord of the Sabbath

2003-03-16 Thread Slade Henson
I have yet to know ANYONE who has done that since Exodus 12 -- slade - Original Message - From: Terry Clifton To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, 16 March, 2003 07:38 Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Lord of the Sabbath

Re: [TruthTalk] Lord of the Sabbath

2003-03-16 Thread David Miller
Slade wrote: The book of Hebrews tells us, So there remains a Sabbath rest for the people of God. Why can't we just believe that the Sabbath still exists for us? Understand clearly that the people he spoke to here observed the seventh day sabbath. Therefore, the sabbath he speaks about that

RE: [TruthTalk] Lord of the Sabbath

2003-03-15 Thread ShieldsFamily
-Original Message- My comments about picking up some sticks for your fireplace on Saturday was to try and help you think about the letter of the law versus the true intent of the law. Somehow I think my questions about this were avoided. Can we talk about picking up

RE: [TruthTalk] Lord of the Sabbath

2003-03-15 Thread David Miller
David Miller wrote: Does making a fire in your fireplace on Saturday violate the moral law? Please define what you mean by moral law.   Izzy wrote: If you intentionally ignore God’s orders, that’s a violation.  I don’t think God says that now (NT times).  But He does still say “rest on

RE: [TruthTalk] Lord of the Sabbath

2003-03-15 Thread ShieldsFamily
-Original Message- You spoke before about being convicted that you needed to rest on Sabbath. I have asked you several times if you would feel convicted, feel like you have sinned, if you built a fire in your home on the Sabbath day. Has that ever happened to you? If

Re: [TruthTalk] Lord of the Sabbath

2003-03-14 Thread Slade Henson
- Original Message -From: "David Miller" [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Friday, 14 March, 2003 10:46Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Lord of the Sabbath The Sabbath is established and fulfilled by the work of Christ.That's thepoint of Hebrews. The book of Hebrew

RE: [TruthTalk] Lord of the Sabbath

2003-03-13 Thread ShieldsFamily
Izzy wrote: I'm not sure I understand your question. Of course both of them are guilty of breaking the 10 commandments. Are you sure? The law commands that the Sabbath breaker be put to death by stoning. Therefore, only the Sabbath Breaker is guilty. The other guy carried out

Re: [TruthTalk] Lord of the Sabbath

2003-03-13 Thread David Miller
Izzy wrote: David, You are going to confuse me if you don't differentiate between whether you are talking about today (NT times) or OT times. I assumed you were talking about today. Are these all going to be trick questions? LOL. I did not mean to make it a trick question. The fact that

Re: [TruthTalk] Lord of the Sabbath

2003-03-13 Thread ttxpress
Hi Terry :-) I didn't perceive you as aged..actually wonder if you might be a (closet?) U2 fan(?) Theyhave a great! song about this subject, called _The Real Thing_ On Wed, 12 Mar 2003 22:08:34 -0600 "Terry Clifton" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: ..the God of the Jews [i]s the real

RE: [TruthTalk] Lord of the Sabbath

2003-03-13 Thread ShieldsFamily
PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Lord of the Sabbath Hi Terry :-) I didn't perceive you as aged..actually wonder if you might be a (closet?) U2 fan(?) Theyhave a great! song about this subject, called _The Real Thing_ On Wed, 12 Mar 2003 22:08:34 -0600 Terry Clifton [EMAIL

RE: [TruthTalk] Lord of the Sabbath

2003-03-13 Thread ShieldsFamily
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of David Miller Sent: Thursday, March 13, 2003 12:49 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Lord of the Sabbath Izzy wrote: David, You are going to confuse me if you don't

Re: [TruthTalk] Lord of the Sabbath

2003-03-13 Thread Slade Henson
I like his email address!!! - Original Message - From: ShieldsFamily To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, 13 March, 2003 14:04 Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Lord of the Sabbath By the way, Terry—what does your email address imply about you Izzy

RE: [TruthTalk] Lord of the Sabbath

2003-03-12 Thread ShieldsFamily
By the way, the home page is just http://www.newwine.org/. You might want to read the first chapter titled The Doctrine of Grace (A-1) first. I cant get over it: this is exactly what the Holy Spirit has been teaching me! Its like an epiphany moment to find confirmation of what I could not

Re: [TruthTalk] Lord of the Sabbath

2003-03-12 Thread Marlin Halverson
I found this article about keeping the Sabbath to be well written. It is full of whole truths. The whole site seems to be concerned with salvational matters, with a fearless dialog about end time prophesy and events. They may run into problems by setting dates based upon incomplete

Re: [TruthTalk] Lord of the Sabbath

2003-03-12 Thread ttxpress
On Wed, 12 Mar 2003 05:26:44 -0600 "ShieldsFamily" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I cant get over it: this is exactly what the Holy Spirit has been teaching me!Its like an epiphany moment to find confirmation of what I could not put into words. Izzy now you sound likeEinstein

Re: [TruthTalk] Lord of the Sabbath

2003-03-12 Thread Marlin Halverson
would have say that if we don't know who they are by the end of their 1260 days, that the timeline would be wrong.Thanks,Philip Brown - Original Message - From: Marlin Halverson To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2003 9:51 AM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk

Re: [TruthTalk] Lord of the Sabbath

2003-03-12 Thread Terry Clifton
Izzy: If Jesus had ever sinned, He cpuld not have been the sinless sacrifice required to satisfy God, the father. Jesus worked on the Sabbath, and was not a sinner. That tells me that working on the sabbath is not a sin. Others will no doubt see it differently, but my Lord said that man

Re: [TruthTalk] Lord of the Sabbath

2003-03-12 Thread David Miller
Izzy wrote: Here is a website that I agree with regarding Sabbath-keeping: http://www.newwine.org/Sabbath3/Grace_b.htm. What do you think about it? I thought the articles made many good points, but the author misses it when he emphasizes keeping the Ten Commandments the way that he does. We

RE: [TruthTalk] Lord of the Sabbath

2003-03-12 Thread ShieldsFamily
not love) God. Is that what you were asking? Izzy -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of David Miller Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2003 1:38 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Lord of the Sabbath Izzy wrote: Here is a website that I

RE: [TruthTalk] Lord of the Sabbath

2003-03-12 Thread ShieldsFamily
] On Behalf Of Terry Clifton Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2003 8:28 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Lord of the Sabbath He did address it. He was wrong. The command to keep the sabbath had no exceptions, for good works or any other endeavor. If it had, the Pharisees would

Re: [TruthTalk] Lord of the Sabbath

2003-03-12 Thread Terry Clifton
starting to ramble, so I am going to bed. Terry - Original Message - From: ShieldsFamily To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2003 9:25 PM Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Lord of the Sabbath Terry, Perhaps that shows that Jesus lived