Judy, you wouldn't even know the word "person" were
it not for the early fathers. It didn't exist before them. They are the
ones who invented it. Why can't you be glad they created it? By
coining the word, they gave you a gift: the ability to say things
about God that could otherwise only
NKJ Colossians 2:3 --"in whom are hidden all the treasures
of wisdom and knowledge."
I hope you never hear an ass speak or a rock cry out. You might
just think your stomach's growling [:)
Let's get over it, Judy; if I'm not the enemy, why do you insist
on treating me like I am?
Bill
Judy wrote:
Bill we need to give credit where credit is due.
I am using spiritual words to communicate spiritual
truths and both of these come to me by way of the
Holy Spirit. Not the Nicene Fathers.
I think the principle that you have lost sight of is that none of us
have lived in a
In a message dated 3/12/2004 1:23:51 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Everybody has been impacted by those who have gone before us.
True but this does not mean that we are, therefore, incapable of arriving at conclusions that "given" to us apart from this history. if
prerogative.Drink
deeply.
Bill
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Judy wrote:
Bill we need to give credit where credit is due.
I am using spiritual words to communicate spiritual
truths and both
DavidM says He is the light that lighteth every man who comes into the world, even those who have never read the Bible. Jesus Christ is found in history as well as in the Bible.
Thanks Judy for pointing out.
jt: By what authority do yousay Jesus Christ is found everywhere?He is and has always
Dear Kevin and Judy,
We are having problems communicating because of two faulty assumptions.
Following are two assumptions that need to be examined:
1. Does God's Word equal The Bible?
My answer: No.
The Bible is God's Word, but God's Word is not the Bible. God's Word
includes much more
DavidM says He is the light that lighteth every man
who comes into the world, even those who have never
read the Bible. Jesus Christ is found in history
as well as in the Bible.
Kevin wrote:
The thought of Christ being here
or there is chilling to me.
Judy wrote:
It's chilling to me also
You might want to rethink this David. A pillar is used to hold
something up. It "upholds". In my opinion, this verse means that the
church upholds the truth contained in the Word. It does not establish
the Word. It simply lives and teaches what the scriptures reveal
through
Do you have "LIGHT" based experiences?
David Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
DavidM says He is the light that lighteth every man who comes into the world, even those who have never read the Bible. Jesus Christ is found in history as well as in the Bible.Kevin wrote: The thought of Christ being
Sort of like the verse that says the Apostles are the foundation.Terry Clifton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
You might want to rethink this David. A pillar is used to hold something up. It "upholds". In my opinion, this verse means that the church upholds the truth contained in the Word. It does not
Terry wrote:
You might want to rethink this David.
A pillar is used to hold something up.
It upholds. In my opinion, this verse
means that the church upholds the truth
contained in the Word. It does not establish
the Word. It simply lives and teaches what
the scriptures reveal
David Miller wrote:
Terry wrote:
You might want to rethink this David.
A pillar is used to hold something up.
It "upholds". In my opinion, this verse
means that the church upholds the truth
contained in the Word. It does not establish
the Word. It simply lives and
DavidM says: The truth is that history is a body of knowledge from which all of usinterpret and understand truth, including truth found in the Bible.
I do not interpret the truth of the bible through the lense of history. I interpret history through the lens of TRUTH the HOLY BIBLE.
Why should I
Powerful, David, Preach it!
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John Smithson wrote:
I am educated by the Word;
I am entertained by history.
Judy wrote:
In a message dated 3/10/2004 6:27:24 AM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Kevin has made several arguments about how the Book of Mormon has no
historical basis and therefore should not be trusted. If we accept the
idea that history has entertainment value but not educational
David Miller wrote:
The truth is that history is a body of knowledge
from which all of us interpret and understand truth,
including truth found in the Bible.
Kevin wrote:
I do not interpret the truth of the bible
through the lense of history. I interpret
history through the lens of
John Smithson wrote:
Wow -- David my friend Where have you gone?
I was referencing spiritual truth more than anything
when I made my statement I am educated by the Word,
I am entertained by history.Entertainment includes,
in this case, the joy and validation I feel when
This is the core of the problem, you are essentially a Mormon in sheeps clothing.
JN 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
JN 16:13 Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself;
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Answer this and maybe I can
better understand where you are coming from.
Look, I think we are having a semantics problem here more than anything. In its context, I stand by what I said. Now, if the context
Let me ask you this, John. Do you think we can better understand truth
and life through a knowledge of history? Answer this and maybe I can
better understand where you are coming from. One thing for sure, what
you said struck a chord of resonance with others here, so maybe there is
What do you get if you've done both?
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Let me ask you this, John. Do you think we can better understand
I think I figured it out. Some wise ass who thinks
he knows it all.
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What do you get if you've done both
Just kidding, just kidding.
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I think I figured it out. Some wise ass who
thinks he knows it all
Wm. Taylor wrote:
What do you get if you've done both?
Judging from what they are teaching in college these days, I would
suspect that you would get a lot of conflicting information.
Terry
Let me ask you this, John. Do you think we can better understand truth
Yeah, I here you. What about the good schools
though?
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Sent: Wednesday, March 10, 2004 6:33
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Wm. Taylor wrote:
What do you get
In a message dated 3/10/2004 5:13:25 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
What do you get if you've done both?
go to heaven?
John
In a message dated 3/10/2004 5:20:18 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
think I figured it out. Some wise ass who thinks he knows it all.
good one Some will jump on you for the "a .." word but I am sure you meant it in the biblical sense.
John
Subject:
Re: [TruthTalk] The value of history
Wm. Taylor wrote:
What do you get if you've done
both?
Judging from what they are teaching in college these days, I would
suspect that you would get a lot of conflicting information.
Terry
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