RE: [TruthTalk] Practical Issues relative to House Churches

2003-07-18 Thread David Miller
Terry wrote: Very little of your money is being used for the kingdom.  Most of it goes to the bank that holds the mortgage, the flower shop, the secretary, the janitor, the guy who sprays for bugs and the electric and phone company.  Laura wrote: How wrong you are. We give a huge

Re: [TruthTalk] What is a new testament church?

2003-07-18 Thread michael douglas
Michael D: Laura, rest assured that one has not experienced church till he has experienced a proper NT gathering where the Spirit is allowed to move through whomever He chooses. It is a real faith builder and edifier when one realizes that he can flow in the spirit and be used to touch lives in

Re: [TruthTalk] Practical Issues relative to House Churches

2003-07-18 Thread CHamm56114
In a message dated 7/18/2003 9:48:07 AM Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Even that outside giving that you mention, how much of it is actually given to people in need? I do have a financial report but I don't have a scanner. 7% of outside giving for Foreign Missions goes to

RE: [TruthTalk] Practical Issues relative to House Churches

2003-07-18 Thread David Miller
Hi Laura. What is the total budget of your church? Give some of the major breakdowns of how the money is spent. With regard to your reporting that 7% went to administrative costs, that does not mean much. Administrative costs generally do not include housing, buildings, salaries of

Re: [TruthTalk] Practical Issues relative to House Churches

2003-07-18 Thread CHamm56114
Interesting that you use Tampa as an example. I'm headed there tomorrow. Regarding money - I don't have the figures where I can put my hands on them. (The little ones are in the room where that file is kept) I didn't mean to mislead you - we give that total amount to the Foreign Missions Dept and

RE: [TruthTalk] Practical Issues relative to House Churches

2003-07-18 Thread David Miller
Laura wrote: Interesting that you use Tampa as an example. I'm headed there tomorrow. I lived in Tampa for 17 years and was very active in ministering to the homeless there. The Salvation Army would not let us see their financial statements because they are exempt from the Florida Sunshine

[TruthTalk] missions

2003-07-18 Thread Terry Clifton
Laura: Back when we were part of the institutional type church, we had a young man come to visit. He was a candidate for the mission field, and gave a very good presentation. He told us about the lost people in this primitive land, how he had felt the call to go there, how we had this

Re: [TruthTalk] missions

2003-07-18 Thread CHamm56114
Terry, You are entitled to your opinion and also to your own views of tithing. If that works for you and is what God has told you to do then by all means go for it. I don't have time to argue nor do I have the desire. I have several personal friends who are missionaries and I assure you that they

RE: [TruthTalk] missions

2003-07-18 Thread David Miller
Laura, don't you think Terry has a point? Let's suppose that the average annual income in your neighborhood is $36,000, and let us also suppose that someone from another country raised 180 times that amount, $6,480,000, in order to move to your neighborhood to become a missionary to you and your

Re: [TruthTalk] Practical Issues relative to House Churches

2003-07-18 Thread CHamm56114
In a message dated 7/18/2003 5:32:59 PM Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Dear Sister, does your church teach and practice: -that the church is to be lead by the pastor? YES With a board -that the pastor is hired and paid by the church? Yes and he earns every penny -that the

Re: [TruthTalk] Practical Issues relative to House Churches

2003-07-18 Thread Bruce Woodford
Hi Laura, You responded to my questions as follows: Dear Sister, does your church teach and practice: -that the church is to be lead by the pastor? YES With a board -that the pastor is hired and paid by the church? Yes and he earns every penny -that the church building is to be

RE: [TruthTalk] Jesus is Jehovah]

2003-07-18 Thread ShieldsFamily
Another perfect example of why I think you must smoke funny ciggiesanother non sequitur. Iz -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, July 18, 2003 3:33 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [TruthTalk]

RE: [TruthTalk] Jesus is Jehovah]

2003-07-18 Thread ShieldsFamily
Bruce, I may be the only person who believes that Homemaking is one of the highest callings in the Church. I spend my days being very flexible in following the Lord's leading. I get to explore every possible avenue of the creativity, organizational skills, and ministry gifts He has given me

[TruthTalk] Does a good God send bad thngs?

2003-07-18 Thread ShieldsFamily
David Miller, It occurred to me that some time back you and I were discussing the issue of whether or not God sends sickness. You said that He does not, and gave the example that a loving father would not break his childs arm to teach him a lesson. Then I sent you several scriptures that stated

RE: [TruthTalk] Does a good God send bad things?

2003-07-18 Thread David Miller
Izzy wrote: I think that He sends (actively, or allows satan to send) evil things upon His children for a purpose sometimes. Yes, I agree that the Father allows Satan to send evil, just as he allowed Satan to attack Job. However, in Christ, there is an authority to bind on earth as in

Re: [TruthTalk] Jesus is Jehovah]

2003-07-18 Thread CHamm56114
In a message dated 7/18/2003 10:22:52 PM Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: And I also think that if most women honestly listened to their hearts, they would agree that the same is true for them. :-) AMEN! Laura

Re: [TruthTalk] Jesus is Jehovah]

2003-07-18 Thread ttxpress
then 'most women' err; there areno NT referencesto pleasing God by listening to your heart, a misguided,selfish gesturerooted in anti-Christ On Sat, 19 Jul 2003 01:25:01 EDT [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: In a message dated 7/18/2003 10:22:52 PM Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED]