I know what she was doing. Because she allows for words not written and thoughts not presented - well, that is not proper discussion in anyone's book except those who thrive on debate based upon personal bias.
jd
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red is the color of choice.
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Recent comments in Green below.
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Dave, in your post to which I responded, you use reason and the theoretical to completely change the reality pictured in the biblical scriptures. Here is what you wrote: It seems to me the main difference is that you believe it necessary for the pain to be inflicted on Jesus from a 3rd party to
It is fascinating and challenging watching these people grow, and trying to wake in them a desire for the City that continues (Heb 13:14). We are still trying to learn its culture ourselves...
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Judy, you have now so confused what was written by me that we dare not go any further with this discussion or you will have me saying something of which only the Lord knows.
jd
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How many "cute little rich
Judy, when it comes to a choice , a real choice, between discussing character judgments or doctrine, you choose the character issues nearly all the time.
Secondly, you cannot make a point with me by altering my posts and introducing words and meaning that were not a part of my original post. I
It is doubtful that James the Lord's brother was an apostle Dm in the morning
In fact, the Bible mentions several apostles which were not of the twelve. For example, Paul (Gal. 1:1, 2:8), Barnabas (Acts 14:14), James the Lord's brother Dm in the evening
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You surprised me. J Smith was not an illuminary of the biblcial scriptures. He and Calvin are worlds apart. And Calvin's work certainly kept The Discussion alive for the established and Christian church. If you believe that one can be wrongabout something and remain connected to Christ, then you
And to compare the range of influence of J Smith with any on the list is spurious, at best. There is a big difference between one who creates a "new religion" and one who works within given boundaries to explain and definition a religion. J Smith has NO INFLUENCE outside his religion. Many on my
Back to your old tactics of adding words and meaning to my post.
If you cannot accept my explanation of what I wrote AND, at the
same time, feel the need to add wording to the post, I see no
point in continuing the discussion.
jd
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His condition was "If you abide in Me and My Words abide in you" Tell me how does one meet the
condition with other words abiding in them.There is no reason to believe that any other word than the word of God
You do add words to the posts of others and you do it often. Here are some words added to my post -- ".most of the time cute little rich girls are spoiled pagans. Do youknow of one cute little rich girl celebrity whois a "steadfast" believer in the Lord Jesus Christ? If not then
"vengenance" is your answer? !! I am not surprised. I think the question I have asked is a good one and deserving of an intellectual answer. Emotional bias is not what I even care about.
jd
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Just
I am not sure your escape from poverty has been completed.
jd
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How judgmental you are jd. We will all give account for our words one day. And, as Ive explained more than once, I came from poverty. iz
Forget about the "cute" part. Little rich girls who talk like sailors do not qualify.
jd
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Just to protect your sorry
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-- Original message -- From: Dave [EMAIL PROTECTED] some differences in our views.DAVEH: To boil it down, Terry..It seems to me the main difference is that you believe it necessary for the pain to be inflicted on Jesus from a 3rd party to make the atonement work.
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The job of the apostles was not to write the Bible,Matthew, Mrak (probably under the supervision of the Apostle Peter), John's gospel and letters, Paul's authorship including Hebrews, James, and (perhaps)
Good post
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From: Debbie Sawczak
To: Lance Muir
Sent: December 25, 2005 22:03
Subject: -mas
Having been reminded by you of the TT archives, I decided to take a look today.
Has he ever killed anyone from a mile and half away?
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Its great to know there are some real men in Canada, in spite of the wimps that run the P.C. government. (In fact, my husband was born on a US AF
From another forum:
"The deeply personal reconciliation between the creator God and the humanrace in and through Jesus the Messiah can hardly be explored too often, ortoo thoroughly. It is the theme that lies at the heart of the Christianexperience and claim, the point at which believing
I am not a pacifist, but I am willing to reconsider the position.
From my point of view, "war" cannot be defended as an action of the Church.
The remaining collective is the Nation. Nations do not survivein the face of a large and threatening military enemy. If the survival of "my" nation isof
I don't consider you as one who is qualified to discuss anything concerning the condition of the heart. You will disagree, of course, but you have shown a distinct harshness towards those who disagree with you, who are not of the same poltitical party, who do not share the same social standing
If deegan is still around, could he give us some material on the Mormon doctrine (official church doctrine) Christ's atonement for the sins of the world. Or Blaine or DH? I don't care who does it, but I would be interested in a full and authoritive report.
The question DM ask's below -- I
Nothing wrong with being a cute little rich girl, Judy. You have fashioned an argument for no good reason. I do not need lessons on wealth and happiness. The contrast between her young life in Oregon and the life she now has as a successful doctor's wife has to be remarkable. And it my
Does the Mormon Church have an expressed opinion regarding freemasonary?
jd
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In a message dated 12/26/2005 5:14:52 A.M. Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
..are one and the same 'spirit'. The 'degrees' in
Within the church , God has placed apostles, prophets,evangelists, pastors and teacher. There collective ministries are given a threefold purpose, but the specifics of each functionary is unique and even exclusive.
The apostles and prophetsare a case in point. They are a part of those named in
Hello Marlin. Christmas has a very different definition around our house. I am not one who cares about the history or even the etimology of words and events that have taken on definitions of their own. It is a blessed time of year. We think of and even celebrate the birth of Christ, knowing that
The Smithson kids are going to lead worhsip this evening at church. MaybeI can a picture or two of them and send them to the forum.
Anyway -- you all have a great day. We have a very busy day planned from hee on out.
G -- I am serious about the bat.
My highest regards ar with all of you
As I scratch my head in merry wonder-mint (ah - the aroma of ignorance is pleasent to the senses) - I must admitnot "even a guess" and have given up, entirely , on mending fenses.
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ok--i was hopin' maybe BB'd buy a bat
You really need to spend much more time in front of a mirror. You attack my comment as I criticize Linda's harshness. I have no doubt that she is proud of such literary creations which would make my comment a happy apprasial !!
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Testimonies such as this help us understand that God's opinion of us is much more important than our opinion of Him !!!
I cannot think of Christ without being impressed with the Father's high regard for His creation.
Judy's role in the family, offering shelter and aid, is as much a ministry
These words have special meaning to me:My Wisdom, my Righteousness, my Sanctification, and my Redemption has a personality, for He is all those things in me. It is not a question of my behavior, or my conduct, or my feelings one way or the other - those things will come into line soon enough -
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Lance, It seems that this scripture has provoked your RCC spirit, judging from your follow-up posts to me. Ive noticed many times over the years how folks of the RCC persuasion turn rabid against
Poetic license, my friend. "wonder-mint" and aroma (as in "mint") go together. Maybe I should stick to theology or material takeoffs.
jd
-- Original message -- From: Terry Clifton [EMAIL PROTECTED] Before you can mend 'em, you have to know how to speem, John.
Blaine - you do know that G's comment was a [rather brilliant] play on words?
You and DH are included in our best wishes for the new year -- to be sure.
God bless
jd
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Is this a good day for "bashing' Mormons? I don't
Is this what Mormons are saying at the end of their prayers, "In Jesus name, ahman" ???
-- Original message -- From: "Charles Perry Locke" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Blaine wrote: Ahman A name for God, means, Man of Holiness (see Egyptian name of God, Ammon, or Amon, or
Just came from the local Christian bookstore (sorry Lance) . Half price on The Many Faces of Evil by J Feinberg..
His overview of the several competing opinions on evil is probably worth the price. I have no idea about his personal contribution, however, Time will tell.
Oh, Lance
Lance:
Lance:
-- Original message -- From: "David Miller" [EMAIL PROTECTED] JD wrote: You must know that I do not think I am wrong in anything that I share. That is assurance. This is not assurance in the spiritual and Biblical sense of the word. This is presumption, a
One of her best moments, too !!
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In a message dated 12/21/2005 9:22:01 P.M. Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Excuse me, but were you actually under the impression that your opinion matters to me??? iz
The writer below is not me.
1. He believes the popular view of faith is the incorrect view -- among Christians!!! proving himself totally out of touch with the Christian community who shares a deeply held belief in the very kind of faith this person defines.
2. this line "that Jesus was
-- Original message -- From: "David Miller" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Perry wrote: Now, my question to you...how do I determine if it was the Holy Spirit giving me the understanding, or if it was all in my head? If you have to ask, then I suspect it was all just in
Blainerb:Pe le El--from the language of Adam and Eve--sacred words that pertain specifically to the ceremony, so cannot discuss further. Sorry--
You lost me on this one. are you saying that Mormonism knows the language spoken by A and E?
G
I want a bat. Small diameter grip. Signiture "Pops-- 2006" Hickory ???
Long and light -- is there such a thing?
jd
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true; JCdoesn't see Mormans as Christians--neither do I, Bro
On Fri, 23 Dec 2005 23:49:48 EST
Let's do ahs. Get me a price and I will exchange cash card info.
Also -- I think you misundstand the purpose for my purchase (lol -- really)
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Maple or ash, Bro--hickory is way too heavy and Blaine bein' light on his feet
Perhaps I should have attached my request to a Miller post - just to enhance the impact of the rising myth.
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Maple or ash, Bro--hickory is way too heavy and Blaine bein' light on his feet and lightheaded too probably runs
Sorry for the confusion. It was just that I had been speaking of the Spirit and Spirit baptism when you came into the discussion and asked if I had been born again. I had not realized that your interruption also represented a complete change of subject matter.
I was "born again" on Dec. 27,
So Judy has her illumination and the rest of minions have only biblical context. The fact of the matter is this: the only ones in the room when Christ spoke these words were the 11, as Perry has pointed out. The conclusion should be obvious. Thank God none of us have to right to be saved !!
jd
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On Thu, 22 Dec 2005 01:00:29 + [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:Huh? I can't pray for what I don't understand because my prayer tongue is English?? !!
The idea JD is that it is an exercise in faith because we
I refer you to Eph 5:18-19.Exegetical note: Spirit filling and Spirit baptism are the same experience. As Linda has pointed out, Spirit baptism and "new birth" are not the same experience. The apostles very own baptism in the Spirit was not accompanied by the laying on of hands. Cornelius and his
In fact, you appeal to your brand of reason in your posts much more often than you do scripture.Your response , below, is typical judyLogic. You are an avid anti-intellectual who, as a Bible "student," even rejects the witness of the Greek text. In regards to Mk 16:14-18, you make reference once
Christ does not reference "encompassing" the world. He simply and profoundly sent them into that world. Most of them were lost to any serious historical evaluation. Really, when you think about the lives of the "12," it is very thought provoking. Mark 16 does not bind God to any consideration
My point is this: my level of confidence is as great or greater than yours at any time and on any biblical issue . You might take your own advice to heart. Your problem is this -- your theology has no answer for my stated belief nor does it have room for the same degree of confidence as you from
Practicalities should have no place here on TT.
-- Original message -- From: Terry Clifton [EMAIL PROTECTED] I don't know fer sure just who is right and who is all wet, but since no one that I know of has been healed by my shadow, I ain't about to drink any poison.
David, you recently posted this comment.
There is a distinction between revelation and Biblical interpretation. This is the source of your disagreement with Judy, not believing that God reveals to her knowledge through the Spirit. You even delineate different types of revelation, so how can you
David writes:
The way I see it, no matter how hard someone tries to have faith in a lie, with the kind of faith that Jesus is talking about in the passages above, he cannot do it. No matter how hard he tries, there will always be some reservation in his spirit. On the other hand, when we
Let me venture a guess , on this one. Perhaps it is "Bill Taylor" because of a certain respect Lance has for Bill's opinion coupled with the fact that this is a discussion forum. This is not an internet Bible class it is a discussion group. The more opinions the better.
jd
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Discussion is not a part of this list -- it is the only rason this list exists. We are here to discuss differing and various ideas centered around the biblical message.
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That's interesting JD.This is called a
God is the One who has given me my point of view on faith, David -- therefore it cannot be wrong .He has given me a very detailed response to your post, here, but it will take some time to put it into script. Perhaps this afternoon when I get back from the shop.
The Bishop
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-- Original message -- From: "David Miller" [EMAIL PROTECTED] John wrote: ... there is nothing that you believe as a mater of faith that cannot be wrong. I see it the opposite, John. There is nothing I believe as a matter of faith that can be wrong. I'm not
You have equated the nature of God with your own personal
beliefs. I have the Sprit and since the Spirit gives us nothing
but absolute truth, I MUST be right. You need to bring your
faith in line with the truth of the biblical message.
I await your admission of falsehood.,
jd
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Sent: 12/20/2005 10:06:00 PM
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Weren't we talking about holy day
Of course I have. And the illumination of the Spirit's presense is just as great and affirming as anything you might have. I too question your "birth." But God kows for sure and I will leave it in His hands.
jd
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The TruthTalk discussion list is an open forum for discussing Truth. Charles Perry Locke is the moderator for this list. If you have an interest in the Bible, religion, philosophy, or science, we encourage you to join the list and engage in the discussions. -- this comes from the home
Your opinion is duly noted.
jd
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The RCC is the great whore of Revelations. I do not serve the god of the RCC. Iz
Revelation 17
1And there came one of the seven angels which had the seven vials, and
Why do you care?
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When were you born again, jd? iz
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2005 7:00 PMTo:
This is an inaccurate observation.
jd
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JD, do you ever wonder why you accuse Everyone Else of being arrogant? iz
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With paerry's permission, I would appreciate it if you would list the characteristics descriptive of Jesus in Mormon scripture -- not including the KJ Mormon bible. Just your scriptures. Speak as a Mormon, please and not with merely personal conviction.
Thanks,
jd
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You are spending too much time listening to your own personal bias. Baptism of the Spirit occurs on nearly every occasion I am involved in the singing of song as per Eph 5:18-19. I have even written of my first experience of baptism on this forum.
There is no confusion on my part nor do I
Huh, and they say there is no such thing as absolute truth !!!
jd
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Iz, Here's a suggestion. Sometime this Christmas season, try putting this sauce on your own goose:
'..you derive your opinions from false premises, not
Linda, you might try reading Mark 16:14-18 before actually making an attempt at an argument from "logic." V. 14 tells us His audience. Who is He talking to? The Christian Church or the 11? A really good second quetion is this: do you think this is the only passage in which the gospel and water
Linda, you might try reading Mark 16:14-18 before actually making an attempt at an argument from "logic." V. 14 tells us His audience. Who is He talking to? The Christian Church or the 11? A really good second quetion is this: do you think this is the only passage in which the gospel and water
A reading from 1.1, Dogmatics, Word of God, p107 got me to thinking :
If we attach our understanding of scripture to scripture, if we, then, canonize "scripture," we make scripture tradition instead of what God intended it to be -- His self-revelation to man. If our understanding does not pass
The Christ of the RCC is no different from the Christ I serve. That RCC theology is too full of tradition and works, we would probably agree. but if we roll all of RCC doctrine into the concept of "Christ," we comdemn ourselves by that action and for much of the same reasons.
jd
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The failure of the "inspired" on this forum to answer or even try to answer questions concerning their doctrine of "spiritual discernment," its detachment from
mental processes, and the infallible nature of its interpretive conclusions gives rise to the importance of a hermeneutical rule that
His reference is to the 12 and with that in mind, would you not agree?
jd
-- Original message -- From: "David Miller" [EMAIL PROTECTED] John quoted Barth as saying: More than anything else placed in the church, the biblical record is the successor to the apostles.
What the Lord has done for Judy is not in question by anyone on this list.
jd
-- Original message -- From: "David Miller" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Judy wrote: I'm really sorry that what the Lord has done in me so far is not up to standard. All I really have to give is my
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-- Original message -- From: "David Miller" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Lance wrote: I ask you, David. Should Judy be more 'empathetic' toward these? That is a difficult question for me because I think I err on the other side of being too
I explained why I used the word "arrogance."
You will excuse me for speaking from my perspective which is the proverbial dirty end of the stick -- Judy being on the sanitized end. I am not in need of a mother, David.
jd
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-- Original message -- From: "David Miller" [EMAIL PROTECTED] JD wrote: My question is this -- when we do disagree on a passage of scripture -- who is right? You with your doctrine of
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-- Original message -- From: "David Miller" [EMAIL PROTECTED] John wrote: The failure of the "inspired" on this forum to answer or even try to answer questions concerning their doctrine of
To succeed someone is not to place one above the other. but, perhaps you shouldreadthe referenced passage for yourself. You may change your mind.
jd
-- Original message -- From: "David Miller" [EMAIL PROTECTED] John wrote: His reference is to the 12 and with that
Weren't we talking about holy day obsevances? You have added a traditional point of view to the text, which is fine, but it is a tradition I do not accept. Paul is dealing with Jewish issues in Romans 14, which would include the Sabbath. That opinion is a tradition as well.But I believe the
My Jesus, Dean, IS NOT DEFINED by the traditons of men. Was Jesus born of a virgin. Was He , at the same time, the Son of God? Is He the Creator of the worlds. Was he reased from the dead ? Is it His sacrifice that presents us with the forgiveness of sins? Yes to all this -- and the RCC is fully
-- Original message -- From: "David Miller" [EMAIL PROTECTED] John wrote: At no time do I beleive that you or anyone else possesses truth that cannot be wrong. By definition, truth cannot be wrong. Therefore, the truth I possess cannot be wrong, neither can the
cd: Is John and the LDS in agreement now?
You might actually try reading some of my posts rather than sitting there trying to come up with something cute to say. Refer to my 8 point post comparing Mormonism to Christianity and you will have your answer.
"techniccally" is the word of a legalist justifying what he has actually done while pretending to be fully consistent. One simply cannot tell another to "stop the blasphemy" without, at the same time and in the same breath, accusing him OF blasphemy.
jd
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Romans 14 puts to an end this argument.
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"Over one hundred years ago the Catholic Mirror ran a series of articles discussing the right of the Protestant churches to worship on Sunday. The articles
So Judy, we only needed the apostles, prophets, evangelists, pastors and teacher until the Bible was approved by the Chruch? Is that what you are saying?
And Lance's claim, below, that we all might just sitat your your feet when we have a question of scripture or disagree with your view.
If "illumination" or "spritual discernment" means that you cannot be wrong AND you reject virtually everything I have written on this forum over the past two years or so, how do you avoid the implication that your interpretation is "inspired" and mine is not? Do you believe that your
-- Original message -- From: "David Miller" [EMAIL PROTECTED] John wrote: "techniccally" is the word of a legalist justifying what he has actually done while pretending to be fully consistent. One simply cannot tell another to "stop the blasphemy" without, at
You believe that the phrase "Christ is the end of the law .." means one thing and I believe it means something entirely different. Two opposing "undertandings." Which one is that which is a "misunderstanding?" And what effect does this circumstance have on your understanding of "illumination" as
-- Original message -- From: "David Miller" [EMAIL PROTECTED] John, if you have a problem with inductive logic, substitute "blasphemy" everywhere you see my word "error" and I stand behind those comments just the same. That should be obvious to you because the word I
David, are we discussing theology or hermeneutics? Words, words, words, David. You just get hung up on words. My question is this -- when we do disagree on a passage of scripture -- who is right? You with your doctrine of divine illumination ? And when you and Judy, believing the very same thing
Do you not ignore questions I ask of you, nearly everyday? The post written last night asking about a "truce" ?? That was written under the direction of the Holy Spirit, Judy.It was a very emotional experience and clearly, from God. Your response? Ignore, ignore , ignore.
jd
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What do you think my posted question is about, Judy. Mental gynamastics is not my forte. Tell it to David. And deal with the question. Do you know what the question is? Just answer the question. It is simple enough/ But you can't answer the question, can you?? !! The jig is up if you do , and you
Arrogance will get you nowhere.
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I didn't understand it JD,
It was incomprehensible to me and I don't consider myself at war with you.
I was not intentionally being rude about it and didn't know you wanted an
Spiritual discernment is a scriptural teaching JD. If you want to call it bogus that is between
you and the Lord; however, God does say that one who is unable to separate the precious
from the vile can not be his spokesperson.
Your inability to answer the questions posted is evidence of that
My question is this -- when we do disagree on a passage of scripture -- who is right? You with your doctrine of divine illumination ? And when you and Judy, believing the very same thing about "spiritual discernment" disagree -- who is right in that case? If you cannot answer these question, the
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