Re: [TruthTalk] Forgiveness/Repentance

2004-04-21 Thread Lance Muir
actually taking place"? I seem to sense in some a kind of cause and effectdescription of events. I'm not being coy. I want to know how you describe this.Blessings, Lance From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: April 20, 2004 23:20 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk]

Re: [TruthTalk] Forgiveness/Repentance

2004-04-21 Thread Lance Muir
ed? Blessings, Lance - Original Message - From: Lance Muir To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: April 21, 2004 06:28 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Forgiveness/Repentance It's good to have another contributor. On this matter would you just outline for me what you believe to be

Re: [TruthTalk] Forgiveness/Repentance

2004-04-21 Thread Lance Muir
the idea of repentance? Izzy From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lance MuirSent: Wednesday, April 21, 2004 4:29 AMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Forgiveness/Repentance It's good to have another contributor

RE: [TruthTalk] Forgiveness/Repentance

2004-04-21 Thread ShieldsFamily
Oh, well, at least you think it is necessary. Kind of like the faith and works thing. J Izzy From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lance Muir Sent: Wednesday, April 21, 2004 6:21 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Forgiveness/Repentance

RE: [TruthTalk] Forgiveness/Repentance

2004-04-21 Thread David Miller
Lance wrote: I've got nothing against repentance. It's just that I believe that it follows being forgiven. Why then, in the following story that Jesus told, does it appear that the publican's repentance resulted in his justification before God whereas the unrepentant Pharisee remained

Re: [TruthTalk] Forgiveness/Repentance

2004-04-21 Thread LaurHamm
In a message dated 4/21/2004 5:39:08 AM Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: In his new book"the Passion of Jesus Christ", John Piper lists "fifty reasons why He came to die". Reason #1 To absorb the wrath of God. May I take a poll, not as to this reason being #1 but rather, do you

RE: [TruthTalk] Forgiveness/Repentance

2004-04-21 Thread Hughes Jonathan
is based upon the fact that she is already forgiven. Jonathan -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of David Miller Sent: Wednesday, April 21, 2004 9:14 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Forgiveness/Repentance Lance wrote: I've

Re: [TruthTalk] Forgiveness/Repentance

2004-04-21 Thread Chris Barr
\o/ !HALALU Yah! \o/ Greetings y'all in the Matchless Name of YahShua ! - Original Message - From: "Hughes Jonathan" Sent: 04/21/2004 9:29 AM Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Forgiveness/Repentance JH wrote: If Christ can say, "It is finished" then it either is

Re: [TruthTalk] Forgiveness/Repentance

2004-04-21 Thread Chris Barr
- Original Message - From: Hughes Jonathan To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 04/21/2004 10:42 AM Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Forgiveness/Repentance Hi Chris, You have correctly pointed out a flaw in my logic. You are right. Without the ressurection and ascension

RE: [TruthTalk] Forgiveness/Repentance

2004-04-21 Thread David Miller
Jonathan wrote: I hold the same position as Lance does here. Grace is always first. Hey, I hold to that position too. Grace is always first. Grace and forgiveness are not the same thing. Jonathan wrote: I would suggest that the forgiveness for all of our sins is included in what Christ

Re: [TruthTalk] Forgiveness/Repentance

2004-04-20 Thread Lance Muir
We most assuredly are. We ought to be more careful about throwing the word heresy around. After we ALL know in part. Blessings, Lance - Original Message - From: ShieldsFamily To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: April 20, 2004 10:23 Subject: [TruthTalk]

Re: [TruthTalk] Forgiveness/Repentance

2004-04-20 Thread LaurHamm
In a message dated 4/20/2004 9:24:20 AM Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Sorry, but I guess youll have to cast me out as a heretic for saying this. (It wont be the first time, so it doesnt bother me.) But I dont think that forgiveness preceeds repentance, if that means were are

RE: [TruthTalk] Forgiveness/Repentance

2004-04-20 Thread ShieldsFamily
Laura, you always make sense. :-) Izzy From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, April 20, 2004 9:21 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Forgiveness/Repentance In a message dated 4/20/2004 9:24:20 AM