Yes I was counting on the binding (e.g. Celtix, Axis) to provide RM
capabilities. However, we also need to manage stateful callbacks...
We will need to spec the RM requirements with a magical policy
or have some kind of constraint to validate the presence of the
feature (spec issue I guess
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On Jul 13, 2006, at 12:13 AM, Oisin Hurley wrote:
Yes I was counting on the binding (e.g. Celtix, Axis) to provide RM
Hey Oisin,
Comments inline
On Jul 12, 2006, at 4:15 PM, Oisin Hurley wrote:
Hi Jim,
I think we need to account for long-running conversations and
server crashes. I was thinking this would involve persisting the
instance and dealing with state (we made it serializable in the
spec to
Hi guys,
I won't be able to make IRC today but please feel free to go ahead
and discuss conversations. I've looked at Igancio's slides (thanks,
these are really extensive!) and I think adding the callback wire to
the reference is a good way to start with and see where we get. I'll
On Jul 10, 2006, at 7:19 AM, Jim Marino wrote:
2. We need to get the host API supporting callbacks. The reference
would use the host API to register itself as a listener with a
binding as opposed to talking directly with the binding. This will
allow us to decouple the callback
On Jul 10, 2006, at 7:40 AM, Jeremy Boynes wrote:
On Jul 10, 2006, at 7:19 AM, Jim Marino wrote:
2. We need to get the host API supporting callbacks. The reference
would use the host API to register itself as a listener with a
binding as opposed to talking directly with the binding. This
Hi Jim,
An inline comment on your first point.
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Hi guys,
I won't be able to make IRC today but please feel free to go ahead
Comments inline
On Jul 10, 2006, at 1:39 PM, Ignacio Silva-Lepe wrote:
Hi Jim,
An inline comment on your first point.
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Hi
had a discussion with Jeremy on this as well. Hopefully I
should
have something done by the weekend.
M
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Sent: 07 July 2006 18:09
To: tuscany-dev@ws.apache.org
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Certainly. Feel free to jump
: Ignacio Silva-Lepe
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I am attaching a few slides that illustrate architectural
scenarios for
local and remote callbacks (did not see a simple way to add them
to the wiki
July 2006 16:39
To: tuscany-dev@ws.apache.org
Subject: RE: Support for callbacks
I have got an implementation based on Doug Lea's concurrent utilities
(JDK 1.4), I think this can be ported to use Java 5 concurrent
libraries. If you don't mind, I can start looking at this.
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Ok, Jeremy.
Ta
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On Jul 7, 2006, at 2:45 AM, Meeraj Kunnumpurath wrote:
Jim,
Are you ok for me to start looking at the work
.
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On Jul 7, 2006, at 2:45 AM, Meeraj Kunnumpurath wrote:
Jim,
Are you ok for me to start looking at the work manager implementation
.
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On Jul 7, 2006, at 2:45 AM, Meeraj Kunnumpurath wrote:
Jim,
Are you ok for me to start looking at the work manager
implementation
On Jul 7, 2006, at 6:56 AM, Ignacio Silva-Lepe wrote:
I too think that having a work manager implementation that
minimizes dependencies (e.g., Geronimo's)
is a useful thing to have. Wrt using a work manager in the support
for callbacks, we should
just make sure that we are ok with the
On Jul 7, 2006, at 7:13 AM, Meeraj Kunnumpurath wrote:
Also, we may find other use cases for using a work manager for
deferred
executions. Do we have any view on how the runtime can use a work
manager from a managed environment when Tuscany is run in a managed
environment. I think app
On Jul 7, 2006, at 7:37 AM, Meeraj Kunnumpurath wrote:
Jeremy,
Should this go into sca/core. Also, have you got any suggestions on
what
package this should go in?
I would suggest putting the API in o.a.t.spi.services.work and the
impl in o.a.t.core.services.work
Work for you?
--
ok
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Sent: 07 July 2006 15:46
To: tuscany-dev@ws.apache.org
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On Jul 7, 2006, at 7:37 AM, Meeraj Kunnumpurath wrote:
Jeremy,
Should this go into sca/core. Also, have you got any
Meeraj
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Sent: 07 July 2006 15:41
To: tuscany-dev@ws.apache.org
Subject: Re: Support for callbacks
On Jul 7, 2006, at 7:13 AM, Meeraj Kunnumpurath wrote:
Also, we may find other use cases for using a work manager
On Jul 7, 2006, at 9:04 AM, Meeraj Kunnumpurath wrote:
Jeremy,
Ok, having a brief look at the JCA work manager API, these are my
thoughts
1. The high-level API are very similar, a manager and optional support
for listeners for callbacks 2. There are subtle differences between
the
actual
That sounds ok.
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From: Jeremy Boynes [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 07 July 2006 17:27
To: tuscany-dev@ws.apache.org
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On Jul 7, 2006, at 9:04 AM, Meeraj Kunnumpurath wrote:
Jeremy,
Ok, having a brief look at the JCA work
the requirements of
callbacks,
I can try to give some input on that as well.
Ta
Meeraj
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From: Meeraj Kunnumpurath [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 06 July 2006 16:39
To: tuscany-dev@ws.apache.org
Subject: RE: Support for callbacks
I have got an implementation based on Doug
Thanks Jim.
I have had a discussion with Jeremy on this as well. Hopefully I should
have something done by the weekend.
M
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From: Jim Marino [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 07 July 2006 18:09
To: tuscany-dev@ws.apache.org
Subject: Re: Support for callbacks
Certainly
Hi Ignacio,
Sorry about the delay...Comments inline. I've also added some
scenarios to the wiki so feel free to add your thoughts to them.
Jim
On Jul 5, 2006, at 2:07 PM, Ignacio Silva-Lepe wrote:
Hi Jim,
Sorry about the disconnect, I was out Monday and yesterday. I'll be
sure to
To: tuscany-dev@ws.apache.org
Subject: Re: Support for callbacks
On Jul 6, 2006, at 8:04 AM, Meeraj Kunnumpurath wrote:
Good point. I think a similar mechanism may be o.k. as long as we
clean up properly when the request ends or the thread is reclaimed
(e.g.
in case of failure where the callback
Hi Jim,
Sorry about the disconnect, I was out Monday and yesterday. I'll be sure to
attend the IRC chat tomorrow. In the meantime, some more quick comments.
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snip/
If I understand correctly, would a system service transport use a
low level
communication
I've started to add some rough scenarios to the wiki on this at:
http://wiki.apache.org/ws/Tuscany/TuscanyJava/Scenarios/
ConversationalSupport/
Hopefully we can fill them out with more detail such as interaction
diagrams, etc. I'm generally pretty loose on scenario formats:
basically
Hi Ignacio,
Let's try IRC, perhaps Monday's chat? Other comments inline...
On Jun 30, 2006, at 1:30 PM, Ignacio Silva-Lepe wrote:
Apologies Jeremy, didn't mean to exclude people, just trying
to expedite the discussion.
The first basic issue I see is how to incorporate callbacks as
defined
On Jun 29, 2006, at 1:47 PM, Ignacio Silva-Lepe wrote:
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On Jun 28, 2006, at 7:13 AM, Ignacio Silva-Lepe wrote:
I'd
Jim,
Perhaps we could discuss this via a more immediate medium. How about IRC or
phone? I am online today until 5pm EDT.
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Jim,
Perhaps we could discuss this via a more immediate medium. How about IRC or
phone? I am online today until 5pm EDT.
Ignacio, I've been following this thread with interest but won't be
able to get on IRC any time soon. Please could
Apologies Jeremy, didn't mean to exclude people, just trying
to expedite the discussion.
The first basic issue I see is how to incorporate callbacks as
defined in the CI spec in particular, and bi-directional interfaces
in general, into the Tuscany architecture. Depending on how closely a
On Jun 28, 2006, at 7:13 AM, Ignacio Silva-Lepe wrote:
I'd like to start working on providing support for callbacks,
assuming the sandbox is a good place to do this.
Great. In case you haven't seen it, we have some architecture slides
in the sandbox under jboynes/sca/doc in
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On Jun 28, 2006, at 7:13 AM, Ignacio Silva-Lepe wrote:
I'd like to start working on providing support for callbacks
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